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Offline Mithrandylan

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Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2018, 09:41:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
    Okay. So it's also immoral for men to work in air conditioned offices since man is cursed to earn his living by the sweat of his brow.
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    Don't forget deodorant.  Sticks of Satan.
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #16 on: November 28, 2018, 08:24:23 AM »
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    Okay. So it's also immoral for men to work in air conditioned offices since man is cursed to earn his living by the sweat of his brow.
    Ha ha.  Great point!
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #17 on: November 28, 2018, 09:36:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 05:18:41 PM
    And the Church teaching that specifically prohibits women from using such drugs is ....?
    It's the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church teaching...

    This is the Reformation-era heavily warped interpretation of Scripture. 

    It's an argument I've actually heard before, but only with the whack fundie Baptists. Like, the ones who appoint any Tom or Joe who can yell and quote Scripture to be a pastor because seminaries are "unbiblical".
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #18 on: December 07, 2018, 07:34:53 PM »
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    • What BS!!!  God gave man the intelligence to create pain meds to ease suffering.  Like it or not, epidurals are here to stay.  This aint Little House on the Prairie!  The woman He wanted to deliver babies without analgesics were born in 1856.  This is 2018....get with the times.

    The logic that rallies against modern science and mechanical advancements is  crazy!

    Throw away your power tools, your motor vehicles, your diabetes and hypertension meds while your at it to!

    You nutter!
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #19 on: December 07, 2018, 08:21:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on November 27, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
    Don't forget deodorant.  Sticks of Satan.

    There might be some truth to this.   :)
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #20 on: December 07, 2018, 08:24:30 PM »
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    • Pain meds only made things worse for my wife, so she stopped using them after our first couple, and her deliveries went much better without them.  First time, the meds only took effect on one side of her body.  Second time, they gave her too much so that she could not feel her body in order to push properly (prolonged the labor significantly).  So she stopped using them.  I have to say that my wife had some of the most incredibly beautiful and dignified labors, despite the pain.
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #21 on: December 07, 2018, 10:08:52 PM »
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    • Then so is anesthesia for a bowel resection or bypass surgery!  Pain and sickness are due to Original Sin.  Suck it up, Tradcats!
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #22 on: December 08, 2018, 03:05:32 PM »
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    • While the OP's assertion is ridiculous, let's not equate labor pains with the need for surgical anesthesia. Many first-time mothers approach labor with the attitude that the pain involved is always more than an average person can handle and request medical interventions before their labor has even begun.

    We should be aware of some of the motivations of those who encourage this mindset. When I worked at a hospital, there was a bit of a controversy because the L&D nurses were encouraging women to wait until they actually experienced pain that they wanted relief for before requesting an epidural rather than out of fear of what was to come. Of course, this resulted in many women discovering that labor pains are in many cases more like a high degree of discomfort rather than an unbearable pain. When the company providing anesthesia services found out about this practice among the nurses, they complained and the nurses were no longer allowed to make any recommendations to the laboring mothers.

    I'm generally not in favor of labor interventions mostly because the question of what is causing the huge increases in things like autism and allergies has not been solved. I once was interviewed by a grad student looking to do a study on a possible link between labor interventions and autism -- her study was specifically regarding either Pitocin or epidurals, I don't recall which -- but she was having a very difficult time finding people who had not used the drug in question during labor.

    Nonetheless, there are many times when pain alleviation is advisable and there is absolutely no religious reason not to take advantage of this medical aid whenever the need arises.

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #23 on: December 27, 2018, 09:59:02 AM »
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    • When I had my first child, I had an epidural because that's what the Dr. said I should do.  I knew nothing about labor and delivery.  I ended up laying flat in the bed, which makes it harder on the delivery itself.  My husband had to beg the Dr. not to use forceps.  I could feel nothing at all.  Terrible experience.  With my second child, I was really overdue but requested no epidural.  Once they induced me, the labor was pretty quick and I had only mild discomfort.  I had the rest of my children without pain meds except for one, where the Dr. gave me the epidural anyway (long story.)  Mostly, I waited home until I knew delivery was approaching.  I could move around as I pleased and find whatever position was comfortable.  I actually delivered one child while squatting.  First time mom's don't know what to expect, so sometimes they have unreasonable fears.  It helps to encourage them to wait until they are really in pain before going into the Dr.  I would never suggest to people that pain medication is immoral.  That is silliest thing I've heard.  It is, however, not always necessary and some meds are bad for the baby.  I had very short labors compared to some.  My longest labor was 9 hours with my first.  I had my 5th child in 30 minutes from onset of pain to delivery.  I delivered my last in 1 hour.  But some women have really long labors and pain meds would probably ease the tension.
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #24 on: December 27, 2018, 10:23:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 08, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
    When the company providing anesthesia services found out about this practice among the nurses, they complained and the nurses were no longer allowed to make any recommendations to the laboring mothers.

    Even when my wife used NO pain medications at all, the hospital charged the insurance company for full anaesthesia services (as if she had received an epidural).  She hadn't taken so much as an ibuprofen.
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #25 on: December 27, 2018, 07:48:07 PM »
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    Throw away your power tools, your motor vehicles, your diabetes and hypertension meds while your at it to!

    Exercise and sugar, and abstaining from fats and oils, cures diabetes and hypertension. People should throw away their diabetes/HT meds, and get up off their fat asses and move... but people are too lazy and addicted to dead flesh and fats. They choose gluttony and laziness over real health and virility. They choose a pill over action.
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #26 on: December 27, 2018, 08:29:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 27, 2018, 07:48:07 PM
    Exercise and sugar, and abstaining from fats and oils, cures diabetes and hypertension. People should throw away their diabetes/HT meds, and get up off their fat asses and move... but people are too lazy and addicted to dead flesh and fats. They choose gluttony and laziness over real health and virility. They choose a pill over action.

    Look at how "men", now, post pics of their dishes of meats and fats all over social media, just like women do it. What an effeminate thing to do...
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    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #27 on: January 29, 2019, 03:41:58 PM »
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    • Who are these anonymous males who have nothing better to do than to attack women for wearing makeup, and for using pain-lessening medication? Does that make them feel superior? They are sinning against humility and offending God.
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    « Reply #28 on: January 29, 2019, 07:22:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 29, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
    Who are these anonymous males who have nothing better to do than to attack women for wearing makeup, and for using pain-lessening medication? Does that make them feel superior? They are sinning against humility and offending God.
    They’ve probably been burned by a woman somewhere in life or just can’t find a wife and are lonely. 
    I am sad for them they don’t know the love of God is in Charity for our neighbors, it’s not in crackin’ folks over the head with their interpretations of God’s laws like a Pharisee. 
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #29 on: January 30, 2019, 02:59:08 AM »
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    • Sorry to take a controversial view but as a woman and as a mother I do believe mothers and babies are entitled to a safe and healthy delivery, with the benefits of modern medicine.  

    But I also believe that that pain relief which has no other purpose but the comfort of the mother is not only sinful but also unhelpful to the process. 
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