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Pain Medicine During Childbirth is Immoral
« on: November 25, 2018, 09:33:45 PM »
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  • God specifically cursed women with pain and sorrow during childbirth (Genesis 3:16).  Therefore, any use of drugs or similar things to reduce this pain and sorrow is an attempt to circumvent God’s curse, and is immoral.

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    Peter15and1 posted this "pearl of wisdom" anonymously. So he knew it was crap when he posted it.
    Oh, and by the way it's spelled "Medicine". That's not exactly a hard word to spell.

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2018, 10:29:50 PM »
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  • God also cursed man to toil the earth; therefore tractors are immoral. 
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    The argument is stupid. Pain meds in labor don't make labor less traumatic, and using a tractor doesn't mean you've "cheated" your punishment. It's still damned hard in both cases. 
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #2 on: November 26, 2018, 12:12:33 AM »
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  • God also cursed man to toil the earth; therefore tractors are immoral.
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    The argument is stupid. Pain meds in labor don't make labor less traumatic, and using a tractor doesn't mean you've "cheated" your punishment. It's still damned hard in both cases.

    I second your post. If a person knew the time, maintenance and money that goes into tractors that farmers use and you were the farmer, you would not necessarily think it made your life easier. It brings it's own set of problems.
        Same goes for women in labor. One should consider that the meds dont work for everyone and There is still the pain from after the birth, exhaustion, mental effects, possible hormonal imbalance,  etc. Pain meds sont do anything for that. Secondly, what about Charity? A charitable thing to do is "comfort the afflicted" and "comfort the sorrowful" . One has a certain amount of duty to relieve pain if it is reasonably possible.

    If ignoring the Corporal Works of Mercy is a moral thing to do, then by all means, dont take anything for your migrain. Sick? Dont go to the doctor, of any kind. Since pain is a consequence of sin - a curse, you may as well not eat when you are hungry because it would be a sin to relieve your aching belly. But then we have the problem of not eating being suicide which is also a sin... you see the problem?

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2018, 12:23:01 AM »
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  • It's an argument that reeks of sola scriptura and Protestant theology, along with the practice of quoting Scripture to appear as if you're making a point.

    Even though this is a Catholic forum.

    OP, why are you wasting our time with Protestant arguments? I live in Minnesota where there is a Lutheran church on every corner -- if I wanted to hear bad theology and parroting of Scripture, I'd go outside.
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #4 on: November 26, 2018, 06:04:31 AM »
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  • Good explanations so far about why the OP is not a Catholic approach to Scripture. 

    Although there are not good theological grounds to refrain from pain medication in childbirth, there are  medical arguments to be cautious with these drugs. There are often possible side effects harmful to the baby or to establishing breastfeeding.  Personally I avoided pain meds for this reason.  Even so, one of the births involved a situation in which an epidural anaesthetic was advisable. 


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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #5 on: November 26, 2018, 07:28:48 AM »
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  • Not using pain meds during child birth would be an impressive act of self-mortification, but such acts cannot be forced unless by sacred vows taken by members of Holy Orders, and no Holy Order forces this.  (Sorry, double post, wasn't logged in)

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2018, 09:39:30 AM »
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  • As has been said, there are actually good reasons to avoid pain medications if possible.  Certainly if a woman wishes to self mortify through a natural birth that is noble.  Even aside from that there are health-related for both baby and mother.  Some pain medications tend to impede the natural hormonal catharsis which accompanies child birth and which promotes strong bonding behavior.  Not to mention the sort of disorientation they can cause for both mother and child.  At the same time, there are easily conceived situations where such pain medication would be the safer and healthier route, such as if a mother has an extremely long labor and is not able to continue on her own strength.  
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2018, 01:28:33 PM »
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  • God specifically cursed women with pain and sorrow during childbirth (Genesis 3:16).  Therefore, any use of drugs or similar things to reduce this pain and sorrow is an attempt to circumvent God’s curse, and is immoral.

    :facepalm:

    Death is also a punishment for sin.  By your logic, any medical intervention at all would be immoral, since it is an attempt to circumvent God's curse.


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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #8 on: November 26, 2018, 11:20:49 PM »
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  • Not using pain meds during child birth would be an impressive act of self-mortification, 
    Not necessarily. A woman always has pain in childbirth, but it is not always self-mortification to decline. I did not have pain relief in any of my three labours, which all were reasonably quick and bearable. I never considered asking for pain relief. There are other ways of relieving pain than drugs too. I was obviously more fortunate than most
    That doesn't mean I agree with the OP.

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 11:50:04 PM »
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  • O yes, I remember that book: Pain Medicine During Child Birth is Immoral, by Hugo First

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2018, 03:39:07 PM »
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  • I’d get my epidural again every time. Pregnancy, and afterbirth healing are still punishment enough. When I was pregnant I had hyperemesis gravidarium it only gets worse with each pregnancy. The constant vomiting, and worry were enough to deal with....


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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2018, 04:37:24 PM »
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  • I’d get my epidural again every time. Pregnancy, and afterbirth healing are still punishment enough. When I was pregnant I had hyperemesis gravidarium it only gets worse with each pregnancy. The constant vomiting, and worry were enough to deal with....
    My experience was quite different.  I had seven babies and the trend was that most aspects of pregnancy and  birth became easier each time.  The morning sickness was much worst with the first.  The main thing that became more difficult was that I was more tired during my last few pregnancies because I was getting on in age.  But the actual labours were relatively short and easy.

    While there were certainly discomforts involved in having babies, they were overshadowed by the joy of bringing a child into the world.  I did not feel like I was being punished.

    Anyhow, I think there is a lot of variation among individual women, so I don't think we can generalize too much.

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #12 on: November 27, 2018, 05:18:41 PM »
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  • God specifically cursed women with pain and sorrow during childbirth (Genesis 3:16).  Therefore, any use of drugs or similar things to reduce this pain and sorrow is an attempt to circumvent God’s curse, and is immoral.
    And the Church teaching that specifically prohibits women from using such drugs is ....?

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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #13 on: November 27, 2018, 05:19:23 PM »
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  • And the Church teaching that specifically prohibits women from using such drugs is ....?
    Sorry, that ^ was me ..... 
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    Re: Pain Medecine During Childbirth is Immoral
    « Reply #14 on: November 27, 2018, 09:07:01 PM »
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  • God specifically cursed women with pain and sorrow during childbirth (Genesis 3:16).  Therefore, any use of drugs or similar things to reduce this pain and sorrow is an attempt to circumvent God’s curse, and is immoral.
    Okay. So it's also immoral for men to work in air conditioned offices since man is cursed to earn his living by the sweat of his brow.

     

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