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Re: once saved always saved? right
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2017, 07:42:01 PM »
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  • someone on Spitzer's Universe asked about why do priests want to hear confessions?

    they like dirt?

    Spitzer denied that but i have wondered


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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #16 on: April 07, 2017, 07:55:43 PM »
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  • I really appreciate how you are not snarky.. well, maybe you are sometimes LOL... Are you like me: not snarky unless someone is an idiot to you? I guess i am sorta confessing here.. can't seem to find a good priest to confess to, so i confess to some stranger on the internet... :) BTW: have you ever felt worse after confession than b4? Or maybe i should ask that of the NO folks? that has happened to me.. yet the NO priests sometimes go on and and on about how  good confession is for a person, how "good" u feel afterward... well, i haven't felt good after confession in a long time.. and i believe it is b/c of.. norvus  ordo.

    i am digressing all over the place here, forgot my original point.. You asked about find a traditional church. Well, who knows where God leads people (if only they will let him)..

    i wish i could recall my original thought.. I seem to recall only that it was a good one... sigh


    yeh, if a person hears the scripture readings at daily Mass.. even at novus ordo masses.. he will basically hear the whole Bible after 3 yrs.. so i have heard the Bible over and over and over again. That is one thing the NO people do right.. they don't change which scripture psgs are used... i don't think anyway??
    I try not to be snarky unless I am very familiar with someone and know for sure that they will take it as a joke.  So, I guess that would be termed more as being sarcastic?   ;D
    No worries!  I understand your grief in not having good access to the Sacraments!  I wanted to stop going to the novus ordo when I was 15 years old, but my parents would not allow it.  So, I had to continue going with them until I was 18, left home, and only then was I finally able to attend the True Mass and receive the Sacraments regularly.  Those 2 1/2 years or so were some of the hardest of my life!  And I constantly felt like this red guy to the right...   :fryingpan:
    I can't begin to explain how much peace and joy came into my life by finally being able to put the novus ordo completely behind me!  Perhaps having to wait so long made me appreciate it all the more?   :)
    Have I ever felt worse after confession?  Hmm...  Not usually, but I will say this...   Sometimes the devil likes to make feel bad about doing something good in order to get us to stop doing it.  In a similar way, the devil tries to convince us that we are not worthy to receive Holy Communion when we only commit little faults.  
    Well, if you ever need help or advice in finding a place, I am glad to do what I can to help! :)
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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #17 on: April 07, 2017, 07:57:23 PM »
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  • someone on Spitzer's Universe asked about why do priests want to hear confessions?

    they like dirt?

    Spitzer denied that but i have wondered
    Priests hear people's Confessions as an act of mercy and in order to obtain forgiveness from God for the people.
    I don't think that priests usually like what they hear, but it is their duty to serve the faithful...
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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #18 on: April 07, 2017, 08:11:16 PM »
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  • Priests don't like it if they discern the person is not truly resolved not to sin again. But they LOVE it otherwise, no matter how terrible the sins, because repentance is pleasing to God!
    Yes!  Absolutely!   :)
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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #19 on: April 08, 2017, 06:30:18 PM »
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  • I used to be Protestant and they all believe something different - depends on the group you belong to.  For some, the reason they believe osas is because they say Jesus did all the work on the cross so they don't have to worry about sin.  Therefore, they don't believe in doing penance, or mortification.  However, they do confess (to God of course, not to man), but only because it says to do so in 1 John 1:9, but doing so just makes them more spiritual.  They want to "grow in grace" which is leaving everything in God's hands.  The more you grow in grace the more you let go and let God. The word "Mercy" was never mentioned where I went to Church, and pleasing God was not talked about either.  It was always "grace" which was what God was doing.  It's a weird way to worship God - makes no sense.


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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #20 on: April 09, 2017, 03:53:37 PM »
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  • I used to be Protestant and they all believe something different - depends on the group you belong to.  For some, the reason they believe osas is because they say Jesus did all the work on the cross so they don't have to worry about sin.  Therefore, they don't believe in doing penance, or mortification.  However, they do confess (to God of course, not to man), but only because it says to do so in 1 John 1:9, but doing so just makes them more spiritual.  They want to "grow in grace" which is leaving everything in God's hands.  The more you grow in grace the more you let go and let God. The word "Mercy" was never mentioned where I went to Church, and pleasing God was not talked about either.  It was always "grace" which was what God was doing.  It's a weird way to worship God - makes no sense.
    Wow...  Well, I guess that is why we are Catholic now, right?   :)
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    « Reply #21 on: April 10, 2017, 10:50:34 AM »
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  • Wow...  Well, I guess that is why we are Catholic now, right?   :)
    I have read a little about Luther and his doctrines, and this goes right along with that.  He said something to the affect that "you should sin as much as you want."  That is exactly why they believe osas - they don't have to worry about sin, they think, because it was all judged on the cross!  Jesus did it all they would say so we don't have to do anything - it's all "grace."  The concept of grace is totally distorted.

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    « Reply #22 on: April 10, 2017, 06:10:33 PM »
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  • I try not to be snarky unless I am very familiar with someone and know for sure that they will take it as a joke.  So, I guess that would be termed more as being sarcastic?   ;D

    No worries!  I understand your grief in not having good access to the Sacraments!  I wanted to stop going to the novus ordo when I was 15 years old, but my parents would not allow it.  So, I had to continue going with them until I was 18, left home, and only then was I finally able to attend the True Mass and receive the Sacraments regularly.  Those 2 1/2 years or so were some of the hardest of my life!  And I constantly felt like this red guy to the right...   :fryingpan:

    I can't begin to explain how much peace and joy came into my life by finally being able to put the novus ordo completely behind me!  Perhaps having to wait so long made me appreciate it all the more?   :)

    Have I ever felt worse after confession?  Hmm...  Not usually, but I will say this...   Sometimes the devil likes to make feel bad about doing something good in order to get us to stop doing it.  In a similar way, the devil tries to convince us that we are not worthy to receive Holy Communion when we only commit little faults.  
    Well, if you ever need help or advice in finding a place, I am glad to do what I can to help! :)

    thanks. you are one of the few people i have ever "met" who actually offers to help someone. I gave up asking people for help a long time ago, regardless of what kind it is. Most people seem to live for self only (including me, unfortunately  :-X). But I do try to think of someone besides myself every so often. Some people.. but I guess i am committing another sin here (?) and confessing it once again to someone who is not a priest..

    I am particularly focused on how you say you were miserable those 2+ yrs when you couldn't go to traditional Mass. Did your parents give you that hard a time?! What was their rationale for not being open to the tradtional mass?

    you say you've never felt bad after confession. But did you go to NO priests 4 confession? If not, then... I get it. I haven't been to a trad priest for confession in yrs, but the last time i did was a good experience. I wasn't doing so well then, so i complained to him about this and that, and he didn't get all irritated like some would. He actually seemed to care.

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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #23 on: April 10, 2017, 06:16:41 PM »
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  • I have read a little about Luther and his doctrines, and this goes right along with that.  He said something to the affect that "you should sin as much as you want."  That is exactly why they believe osas - they don't have to worry about sin, they think, because it was all judged on the cross!  Jesus did it all they would say so we don't have to do anything - it's all "grace."  The concept of grace is totally distorted.
    experience alone tells us what a crock that is!
    I used to feel SOOOOOO separated from God when i would commit this one sin that i struggled with. And today, i sometimes struggle with malice toward evil people... I can't stand people who do not even try to be "good," whether they know Jesus or not... I mean, everyone has a sense of right and wrong and to go agaisnt that makes no sense. I think a lot of people don't know or act like they don't know how much sin hurts the sinner him or herself.. I mean, really, no one who sins hurts God.. they hurt themselves and their loved ones.. although i do realize it is hard to stop a bad habit How well I know!

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    « Reply #24 on: April 13, 2017, 06:45:23 PM »
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  • Priests hear people's Confessions as an act of mercy and in order to obtain forgiveness from God for the people.
    I don't think that priests usually like what they hear, but it is their duty to serve the faithful...
    well, a good priest does not want to hear all the dirt
    I know I myself cannot stand being around unrepentant sinners, people who believe in that osas nonsense in particular... they accept their own sin... others sins, not so much..
    etc.

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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #25 on: April 15, 2017, 08:46:40 PM »
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  • I have read a little about Luther and his doctrines, and this goes right along with that.  He said something to the affect that "you should sin as much as you want."  That is exactly why they believe osas - they don't have to worry about sin, they think, because it was all judged on the cross!  Jesus did it all they would say so we don't have to do anything - it's all "grace."  The concept of grace is totally distorted.
    My father used to be a Lutheran.  We need to pray for the conversions of the Protestants...   :pray: :pray: :pray:
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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #26 on: April 15, 2017, 08:48:06 PM »
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  • Priests don't like it if they discern the person is not truly resolved not to sin again. But they LOVE it otherwise, no matter how terrible the sins, because repentance is pleasing to God!
    Yes, indeed!  Well, said!   :)
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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #27 on: April 15, 2017, 09:00:15 PM »
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  • thanks. you are one of the few people i have ever "met" who actually offers to help someone. I gave up asking people for help a long time ago, regardless of what kind it is. Most people seem to live for self only (including me, unfortunately  :-X). But I do try to think of someone besides myself every so often. Some people.. but I guess i am committing another sin here (?) and confessing it once again to someone who is not a priest..

    I am particularly focused on how you say you were miserable those 2+ yrs when you couldn't go to traditional Mass. Did your parents give you that hard a time?! What was their rationale for not being open to the tradtional mass?

    you say you've never felt bad after confession. But did you go to NO priests 4 confession? If not, then... I get it. I haven't been to a trad priest for confession in yrs, but the last time i did was a good experience. I wasn't doing so well then, so i complained to him about this and that, and he didn't get all irritated like some would. He actually seemed to care.

    :)
    I wish I could do more for you than just offer little tid-bits of random advice... But, I am glad to offer what bit of comfort I can!   :pray:

    I don't think you commit a sin by telling someone else your faults besides a priest.  Yes, only a priest can forgive you.  Yet, God gives us friends and family members to help guide us to heaven.  Try not to be too scrupulous...   :)  
    As for your question about the two years when I was a still a minor and not able to attend the traditional Mass...  Yes, my parents did give me a hard time, and almost all of my other friends and family members also.  It was a great struggle, and it was only through the grace of God that I managed to persevere in my resolution to remain firm about the traditional Catholic Faith and do all that I could once I was an adult to make it to the True Mass.  My parents considered the traditional Mass groups as being outside of the Church and worse than being a protestant or a Jєω...  It was tough...
    I won't say that I never felt bad after confession...  I honestly don't remember much about the novus ordo Confessions though.  I tried to block most of it out of my mind, and it has been several years now since I have been a traditional Catholic exclusively.  I do remember my First Confession though.  It horrified me!  I confessed that I had been fussing, and the priest asked me to explain.  But, what six year old is able to do that?  So, he walked straight out of the Confessional and asked my mother what "fussing" meant.  I was so taken aback that I was scared to death to go to Confession for SO LONG after that...  In fact, I think that only after starting to go to traditional Catholic priests did I finally get over that fear of the Confessional.  
    I also remember once that a novus ordo priest told me that my sins were not really sins, and I did not know how to react to that...   :facepalm:
    How far away is the closest good chapel from you?  At any rate, please know that you shall be in my prayers.  Please remember me in yours also!  And happy Easter!!!   ;D
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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #28 on: April 17, 2017, 07:16:24 PM »
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  • I wish I could do more for you than just offer little tid-bits of random advice... But, I am glad to offer what bit of comfort I can!   :pray:

    I don't think you commit a sin by telling someone else your faults besides a priest.  Yes, only a priest can forgive you.  Yet, God gives us friends and family members to help guide us to heaven.  Try not to be too scrupulous...   :)  
    As for your question about the two years when I was a still a minor and not able to attend the traditional Mass...  Yes, my parents did give me a hard time, and almost all of my other friends and family members also.  It was a great struggle, and it was only through the grace of God that I managed to persevere in my resolution to remain firm about the traditional Catholic Faith and do all that I could once I was an adult to make it to the True Mass.  My parents considered the traditional Mass groups as being outside of the Church and worse than being a protestant or a Jєω...  It was tough...
    I won't say that I never felt bad after confession...  I honestly don't remember much about the novus ordo Confessions though.  I tried to block most of it out of my mind, and it has been several years now since I have been a traditional Catholic exclusively.  I do remember my First Confession though.  It horrified me!  I confessed that I had been fussing, and the priest asked me to explain.  But, what six year old is able to do that?  So, he walked straight out of the Confessional and asked my mother what "fussing" meant.  I was so taken aback that I was scared to death to go to Confession for SO LONG after that...  In fact, I think that only after starting to go to traditional Catholic priests did I finally get over that fear of the Confessional.  
    I also remember once that a novus ordo priest told me that my sins were not really sins, and I did not know how to react to that...   :facepalm:
    How far away is the closest good chapel from you?  At any rate, please know that you shall be in my prayers.  Please remember me in yours also!  And happy Easter!!!   ;D
    i could use a friend like you but we probably live far apart

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    Re: once saved always saved? right
    « Reply #29 on: April 18, 2017, 06:46:01 AM »
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  • i could use a friend like you but we probably live far apart
    Well, you never know...    ;D   By the way...  I live in Virginia. 
     
    If you would like we could be pen pals of sorts.  Then, even if we live far apart, we can still have a good spiritual correspondence.  If you are interested, my email address is: allthroughmary@gmail.com.
    God bless and keep fighting the good fight for the Faith!   :ready-to-eat:   
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