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Full consent to bad thoughts?
« on: July 09, 2024, 11:11:30 PM »
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  • Recently I have been heavily tempted with lustful thoughts. I have tried to resist them when I realise what's happening, however yesterday while tempted I imagined something I ought not have. I am unsure if I gave 'full' consent. I think I may have as I imagined something after being tempted. My priest has said in the past that unless I give 'full' consent it's not a mortal sin. This 'fullness' of consent is where I struggle.

    Any advice is appreciated. Anon for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2024, 11:20:11 PM »
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  • If you're not certain that you gave full consent, most likely you did not. Many of us go through similar struggles. The best overarching advice that I can give is to use this struggle, and all the difficulties that you encounter in life, to bring you closer to the Lord.  


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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2024, 02:28:53 AM »
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  • If you're not certain that you gave full consent, most likely you did not. Many of us go through similar struggles. The best overarching advice that I can give is to use this struggle, and all the difficulties that you encounter in life, to bring you closer to the Lord. 
    I am certain that I chose to have that particular bad thought. Whether it had full consent is difficult.

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2024, 06:49:11 AM »
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  • Recently I have been heavily tempted with lustful thoughts. I have tried to resist them when I realise what's happening, however yesterday while tempted I imagined something I ought not have. I am unsure if I gave 'full' consent. I think I may have as I imagined something after being tempted. My priest has said in the past that unless I give 'full' consent it's not a mortal sin. This 'fullness' of consent is where I struggle.

    Any advice is appreciated. Anon for obvious reasons.
    I think it is better to discuss this with your confessor than on a forum.  

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2024, 08:41:33 AM »
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  • I am certain that I chose to have that particular bad thought. Whether it had full consent is difficult.
    If you chose, then you consented.

    What would full consent have to look like to admit that it was really full consent? That mental hedging is why it's so easy to let oneself be played by the evil one to the point where even full consent isn't seen for what it is.

    Go confess it plainly and be done with. If it really was only a venial sin, no harm done in confessing anyway.

    The next time the thoughts creep in, immediately say that you don't consent to those thoughts, say a few prayers sincerely, find something productive to do, and continue with your day. Simple, no fuss, and gradually the thoughts won't bother you anymore.


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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2024, 08:57:03 AM »
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  • If you're not certain that you gave full consent, most likely you did not. Many of us go through similar struggles. The best overarching advice that I can give is to use this struggle, and all the difficulties that you encounter in life, to bring you closer to the Lord. 

    THIS ^^^.  Unless you're lax, which seems not to be the case given that you're asking and are concerned about it here, if you're not sure, then it's very unlikely that you gave full consent.  You can't commit a mortal sin without knowing about it and being aware of it.

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2024, 09:00:13 AM »
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  • If you chose, then you consented.

    What would full consent have to look like to admit that it was really full consent? That mental hedging is why it's so easy to let oneself be played by the evil one to the point where even full consent isn't seen for what it is.

    Go confess it plainly and be done with. If it really was only a venial sin, no harm done in confessing anyway.

    Generally bad advice here, especially for a person prone to scruples, where there can indeed be "harm done".  Priests often tell scrupulous penintents NOT to confess sins they're not sure about, since they can torment themselves over it.  There are degrees of choosing and some ambiguity about WHAT is chosen.  Often scrupulous individuals confuse feelings of attraction toward beauty with "impure thoughts", even when they're not even primarily sɛҳuąƖ in nature ... so there would be some question of what was chosen and how aware one was of the choice.

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2024, 12:50:51 PM »
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  • Generally bad advice here, especially for a person prone to scruples, where there can indeed be "harm done".  Priests often tell scrupulous penintents NOT to confess sins they're not sure about, since they can torment themselves over it.  There are degrees of choosing and some ambiguity about WHAT is chosen.  Often scrupulous individuals confuse feelings of attraction toward beauty with "impure thoughts", even when they're not even primarily sɛҳuąƖ in nature ... so there would be some question of what was chosen and how aware one was of the choice.
    Which is why the OP needs to take it up with a priest and not on the forum.


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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2024, 12:58:05 PM »
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  • Which is why the OP needs to take it up with a priest and not on the forum.

    Ultimately, yes, but people can be in situations where they can't always get to Confession to a valid/Traditional priest before the next time they have the opportunity to receive Holy Communion, and so they need to make a practical judgment whether they can receive.  There are many chapels where the priest has about 30 minutes to hear Confessions and the lines are long even if you get there early.  Sometimes they'll hear more Confessions after Mass, but that doesn't help someone who would like to receive Holy Communion.

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #9 on: July 10, 2024, 01:03:23 PM »
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  • Ultimately, yes, but people can be in situations where they can't always get to Confession to a valid/Traditional priest before the next time they have the opportunity to receive Holy Communion, and so they need to make a practical judgment whether they can receive.  There are many chapels where the priest has about 30 minutes to hear Confessions and the lines are long even if you get there early.  Sometimes they'll hear more Confessions after Mass, but that doesn't help someone who would like to receive Holy Communion.
    Wouldn't it be better to check for the Ops particular situation.  

    OP do you have access to regular confession?

    Many people read these posts and then might follow a bad post.  Not that the one above this one was bad, I am just concerned for the looky loos.

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    Re: Full consent to bad thoughts?
    « Reply #10 on: July 10, 2024, 03:35:42 PM »
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  • I think it is better to discuss this with your confessor than on a forum. 
    Second this. It's better to confess something you're not sure of in order to hear what the priest has to say and most importantly to obtain Grace to resist.