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1) economic: the farm based community where families could produce their own livelihoods has been on the way out for a long time.  It seems difficult for a good sized population of Catholics to be trained to live in a traditional agrarian manner.  Only 100 years ago such communities comprised a significant proportion of Catholics in this country.

2) cultural: the wider culture is now thoroughly pagan and its values are constantly bombarding people, young and old, electronically.  If any significant fraction of the children come under the influence of these things they will corrupt the others.

3) lack of zeal: this is the main problem.  The early Christians did not compromise with the pagan world they lived in.  A community of people who long continually after the onions and leeks of Egypt will never be able to survive

4) ignorance: as the years from Vatican II increase in number, the percentage of people who have any concept of what a traditional Catholic community should be like, as well as the number who even really have an accurate sense of the religion and its teachings continues to decline.  I believe by the time my parents generation has passed away, the last generation raised before Vatican II, "Catholicism" will become unrecognizable as something in continuation with the past for most Catholics.  The insanity of fisheaters posters and the insanity of liberals who are really just upset about abortion and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and not about other problems in society is unrecognizable as Catholicism.

5) Cult mentality: both clergy and wealthy benefactors would have to put aside egotism and based their actions fundamentally on charity and self-sacrifice.  They would really have to want what is best for everyone, and truly want to have a Catholic culture, as opposed to embracing bourgeois or obscurantist values, as we see among neotraditionalists.

Overcoming all these problems would be a very tall order - in some respects it might be nearly impossible.

As Bishop Williamson has said, the family and home must be fortified.

If a person can maintain his family in a rural area in proximity to like minded people, that is the place to be.

More stringent values are needed.  The values of the past were far too lax.  And that is why the collapse took place.  There never could have been a Vatican II if most practicing Catholics hadn't already compromised fundamental beliefs.  The liberalization of the SSPX is precipitating a collapse in serious practice among younger trads.

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Very well said, dear Catholic.

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The biggest problem: too many Chiefs, not enough Indians.

We moved to a rural town, with about 6 Trad families already there, along with a handful of Trad elderly folks. There was a Trad chapel in this village (comprised of about 80 non-Catholic people), Trad school (K-12), farmland surrounding the place. We thought: "Hey! This place is the next St. Mary's!"

It was awful! The bickering that went on...everyone wanted to be the boss! From the school curriculum to the church cleaning. Needless to say, the place with so much potential crumbled. 4 families moved away, the school closed.

Sometimes we Catholics are on such different pages, it's humanly impossible to have a "Catholic community."

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The biggest problem: too many Chiefs, not enough Indians.

We moved to a rural town, with about 6 Trad families already there, along with a handful of Trad elderly folks. There was a Trad chapel in this village (comprised of about 80 non-Catholic people), Trad school (K-12), farmland surrounding the place. We thought: "Hey! This place is the next St. Mary's!"

It was awful! The bickering that went on...everyone wanted to be the boss! From the school curriculum to the church cleaning. Needless to say, the place with so much potential crumbled. 4 families moved away, the school closed.

Sometimes we Catholics are on such different pages, it's humanly impossible to have a "Catholic community."

I wonder sometimes if someone couldn't buy up one of the depopulated towns on the high plains, together with several thousand acres, and offer homesteads (a lease with the opportunity to own the land down the line).  I don't think many people would take up the offer.

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Perhaps the most successful community might be the one that wasn't planned, it just happened.  First comes the little chapel with the Blessed Sacrament, then a few families to care for Our lord there.  Then a priestly visit, ever so often, another family either converted and/or  moved nearby, and so on and so on, till a community is formed with the inspiration of God, instead of man.  

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Perhaps the most successful community might be the one that wasn't planned, it just happened.

How does it "just happen"?

First comes the little chapel with the Blessed Sacrament,

Someone has to plan that.  If you build it, they will come?

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Mexico, MO has a very small SSPX run chapel.  

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The biggest problem: too many Chiefs, not enough Indians.

We moved to a rural town, with about 6 Trad families already there, along with a handful of Trad elderly folks. There was a Trad chapel in this village (comprised of about 80 non-Catholic people), Trad school (K-12), farmland surrounding the place. We thought: "Hey! This place is the next St. Mary's!"

It was awful! The bickering that went on...everyone wanted to be the boss! From the school curriculum to the church cleaning. Needless to say, the place with so much potential crumbled. 4 families moved away, the school closed.

Sometimes we Catholics are on such different pages, it's humanly impossible to have a "Catholic community."

Do you think that is a question of chiefs and indians?

It sounds like too many rigourist uncharitiable a$$holes to me.

Why would you want it to be the next St. Mary's?  St. Mary's has problems.

[ggreg]

1) economic: the farm based community where families could produce their own livelihoods has been on the way out for a long time.  It seems difficult for a good sized population of Catholics to be trained to live in a traditional agrarian manner.  Only 100 years ago such communities comprised a significant proportion of Catholics in this country.

2) cultural: the wider culture is now thoroughly pagan and its values are constantly bombarding people, young and old, electronically.  If any significant fraction of the children come under the influence of these things they will corrupt the others.

3) lack of zeal: this is the main problem.  The early Christians did not compromise with the pagan world they lived in.  A community of people who long continually after the onions and leeks of Egypt will never be able to survive

4) ignorance: as the years from Vatican II increase in number, the percentage of people who have any concept of what a traditional Catholic community should be like, as well as the number who even really have an accurate sense of the religion and its teachings continues to decline.  I believe by the time my parents generation has passed away, the last generation raised before Vatican II, "Catholicism" will become unrecognizable as something in continuation with the past for most Catholics.  The insanity of fisheaters posters and the insanity of liberals who are really just upset about abortion and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and not about other problems in society is unrecognizable as Catholicism.

5) Cult mentality: both clergy and wealthy benefactors would have to put aside egotism and based their actions fundamentally on charity and self-sacrifice.  They would really have to want what is best for everyone, and truly want to have a Catholic culture, as opposed to embracing bourgeois or obscurantist values, as we see among neotraditionalists.

Overcoming all these problems would be a very tall order - in some respects it might be nearly impossible.

So why take on the nearly impossible?  That seems like a fool#s errand, especially since the history of these Trad towns has been poor and very contentious.   Simple stay where you are and make an extra effort to practice your faith there.  Instead of three hours tilling the soil, spend it saying the family Rosary.  Our Lady can then protect your family from the evils around you with all those extra graces.

Or do you imagine that salvation depends on your zipcode?

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Catholics should be able to live in their own communities.

Only those who are indifferent to that, the sort of people who send their children to forbidden, secular, anti-Christian schools, would be indifferent as to whether they are able live among people with the same beliefs and values.

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I bet ggreg can identify the OP.

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It sounds like too many rigourist uncharitiable a$$holes to me.

It sounds like the most common snare of the evil one, pride.

excepts from the Litany of Humily / commentary:

AS YOU PRAY the Litany of Humility, you ask for three different graces that will allow you to live a genuine Christian life. These are the graces:
*  To set aside your attempts to make yourself feel “special” through the acceptance and admiration of others;
*  To overcome your repugnance to feeling emotionally hurt by others;
*  To seek the good of others in all things, setting aside all competition, even at your own expense.

That others may be loved more than I,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be esteemed more than I,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

That in the opinion of the world, others may increase and I may decrease,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be chosen and I set aside,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be praised and I unnoticed,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be preferred to me in everything,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

That others become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should,
Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

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Soon they would find them self faced with horrible accusations and surrounded by SWAT teams. The world doesn't want Catholic communities.

[Tiffany]

Soon they would find them self faced with horrible accusations and surrounded by SWAT teams. The world doesn't want Catholic communities.

We should not let persecution stop our effort to live as Christians.