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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on April 08, 2023, 09:55:14 AM
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I don't know his name but was informed he was an "ex-diocesan" priest and was going to offer Confession to the faithful.
No word if he was conditionally ordained. I think most everyone stayed in line for the SSPX priest, but I am sure many of those who came from the N.O. had no problem going to him.
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I don't know his name but was informed he was an "ex-diocesan" priest and was going to offer Confession to the faithful.
No word if he was conditionally ordained. I think most everyone stayed in line for the SSPX priest, but I am sure many of those who came from the N.O. had no problem going to him.
And they're not going to volunteer that. The SSPX mindset is "if we've provided you with a priest, we've checked everything out to our satisfaction, and if we're not worried about it, you shouldn't worry about it either, so just respect our judgment".
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And they're not going to volunteer that. The SSPX mindset is "if we've provided you with a priest, we've checked everything out to our satisfaction, and if we're not worried about it, you shouldn't worry about it either, so just respect our judgment".
If I went to that chapel, I would walk up and respectfully ask the priest if he was conditionally ordained by one of the SSPX bishops. Why the heck wouldn't anyone do the same?
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OP Here: That may have happened I am just unaware at the moment. His name was relayed but I couldn't hear it at the time.
Stay tuned!
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I don't know his name but was informed he was an "ex-diocesan" priest and was going to offer Confession to the faithful.
No word if he was conditionally ordained. I think most everyone stayed in line for the SSPX priest, but I am sure many of those who came from the N.O. had no problem going to him.
Are you talking about the SSPX chapel near Charlotte, North Carolina? If so, that was most likely Fr Horvath, though I did not attend on that Thursday. He received conditional ordination because he requested it personally when he joined the SSPX over a decade ago, based on what people here have told me. I've gone to confession with him before.
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Are you talking about the SSPX chapel near Charlotte, North Carolina? If so, that was most likely Fr Horvath, though I did not attend on that Thursday. He received conditional ordination because he requested it personally when he joined the SSPX over a decade ago, based on what people here have told me. I've gone to confession with him before.
Father Horvath offered my father's thirty Gregorian Latin Masses.
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Father Horvath offered my father's thirty Gregorian Latin Masses.
That's incredible! I've been impressed with him every time he's visited the chapel that I go to. His sermons are always thought-provoking and are always applicable to our spiritual life (I especially loved the time where he reminded us at the beginning of a sermon on confession etiquette). Thank God that he escaped the Novus Ordo and became conditionally ordained!
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That's incredible! I've been impressed with him every time he's visited the chapel that I go to. His sermons are always thought-provoking and are always applicable to our spiritual life (I especially loved the time where he reminded us at the beginning of a sermon on confession etiquette). Thank God that he escaped the Novus Ordo and became conditionally ordained!
Yes, he is one of my favorite priests. I was at his first SSPX Mass (I think it was his first) in Louisville,KY when I lived there, he lambasted the NO from the pulpit but good, and he assured the people from the pulpit that he was conditionally ordained. I don't know why all NO-to-tradition priests don't do the same - they should imo. I have only good to say about him.
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Are you talking about the SSPX chapel near Charlotte, North Carolina? If so, that was most likely Fr Horvath, though I did not attend on that Thursday. He received conditional ordination because he requested it personally when he joined the SSPX over a decade ago, based on what people here have told me. I've gone to confession with him before.
Not Father Horvath.
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Are you talking about the SSPX chapel near Charlotte, North Carolina? If so, that was most likely Fr Horvath, though I did not attend on that Thursday. He received conditional ordination because he requested it personally when he joined the SSPX over a decade ago, based on what people here have told me. I've gone to confession with him before.
Fr horvath comes from Walton. Since that priory takes care of the NC sspx missions. I wish op would state more information regarding this since I know there are quite a few people at st Anthony of Padua who would say something
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Fr horvath comes from Walton. Since that priory takes care of the NC sspx missions. I wish op would state more information regarding this since I know there are quite a few people at st Anthony of Padua who would say something
I agree, I wish op provided more information. When they said Charlotte, the only Charlotte I could think of is Charlotte North Carolina, which only has one SSPX chapel (there's also a Mass site for the SSPXMC with Fr Hewko, but I haven't ever gone there). Fr Horvath is the only former Novus Ordo priest that I know of that comes to St Anthony's in Charlotte in my time going there (which, admittedly, hasn't been long), and I don't think he was there at any point during Holy Week. I attended on Good Friday and the Easter vigil, and Fr Bourbeau offered the Mass and handled confessions both days. There's generally only one priest at the chapel handling everything each week, but there was a time a few months ago where Fr Post accompanied Fr Bourbeau solely to hear confessions. It really showed the need for a second priest at our rapidly growing chapel because the line for confession was full from an hour before Mass all the way to the end of Mass!
I can always ask one of the other regular parishioners tomorrow after Mass if there was a different priest on Maundy Thursday for confessions.
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I agree, I wish op provided more information. When they said Charlotte, the only Charlotte I could think of is Charlotte North Carolina, which only has one SSPX chapel (there's also a Mass site for the SSPXMC with Fr Hewko, but I haven't ever gone there). Fr Horvath is the only former Novus Ordo priest that I know of that comes to St Anthony's in Charlotte in my time going there (which, admittedly, hasn't been long), and I don't think he was there at any point during Holy Week. I attended on Good Friday and the Easter vigil, and Fr Bourbeau offered the Mass and handled confessions both days. There's generally only one priest at the chapel handling everything each week, but there was a time a few months ago where Fr Post accompanied Fr Bourbeau solely to hear confessions. It really showed the need for a second priest at our rapidly growing chapel because the line for confession was full from an hour before Mass all the way to the end of Mass!
I can always ask one of the other regular parishioners tomorrow after Mass if there was a different priest on Maundy Thursday for confessions.
I used to go to st Anthonys and my parents are there. The HNS men are pretty traditional also and I feel like I would have heard my dad mention it. I really don't know what OP is talking about. My parents went to all the Holy Week services
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The schola director talked to the non SSPX priest after the Maundy Thursday liturgy. He should know.
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The schola director talked to the non SSPX priest after the Maundy Thursday liturgy. He should know.
I know who the schola director is. I'll ask him if I get a chance to talk to him before or after Mass. I'll give an update tomorrow if I find out who the priest is. If this truly was a Novus Ordo priest who had not been conditionally ordained, perhaps it was a good thing that I wasn't able to go to Mass on Maundy Thursday, because I would have gone to confession and taken communion.
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I know who the schola director is. I'll ask him if I get a chance to talk to him before or after Mass. I'll give an update tomorrow if I find out who the priest is. If this truly was a Novus Ordo priest who had not been conditionally ordained, perhaps it was a good thing that I wasn't able to go to Mass on Maundy Thursday, because I would have gone to confession and taken communion.
He gave confession outside while Father gave it in the chapel.
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Well I've discovered who this ex-diocesan priest is. He is Fr Robert Morey from South Carolina. If his name sounds familiar, it's because he was the South Carolina priest that announced that he had refused communion to Joe Biden about four years ago when he stopped in South Carolina on the campaign trail. From my understanding of talking to some of the parishioners, he's semi-retired and I think is fed up with his bishop. He was offering the TLM at his diocesan church. I asked if Fr Morey was going to join the SSPX, and it seems that he's going to be more of a "friend of the Society" (probably like Bp Huonder is doing now). I don't remember if a reason was given for his unannounced visit to offer confessions. Maybe it's for pastoral reasons given the huge influx of indult refugees that have been attending the chapel this year.
While I have a lot of respect for this Novus Ordo priest for acting Catholic by publicly refusing Joe Biden communion, I would not approach this priest for any of the sacraments. Nothing personal against him, but since he was ordained in the new rite by a new rite bishop, I have doubts about his validity. It would be great if he would get conditionally ordained, but the neo-SSPX doesn't do that anymore. Hopefully he's only doing confessions as an extra option and isn't doing something like consecrating hosts for the chapel...
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Well I've discovered who this ex-diocesan priest is. He is Fr Robert Morey from South Carolina. If his name sounds familiar, it's because he was the South Carolina priest that announced that he had refused communion to Joe Biden about four years ago when he stopped in South Carolina on the campaign trail. From my understanding of talking to some of the parishioners, he's semi-retired and I think is fed up with his bishop. He was offering the TLM at his diocesan church. I asked if Fr Morey was going to join the SSPX, and it seems that he's going to be more of a "friend of the Society" (probably like Bp Huonder is doing now). I don't remember if a reason was given for his unannounced visit to offer confessions. Maybe it's for pastoral reasons given the huge influx of indult refugees that have been attending the chapel this year.
While I have a lot of respect for this Novus Ordo priest for acting Catholic by publicly refusing Joe Biden communion, I would not approach this priest for any of the sacraments. Nothing personal against him, but since he was ordained in the new rite by a new rite bishop, I have doubts about his validity. It would be great if he would get conditionally ordained, but the neo-SSPX doesn't do that anymore. Hopefully he's only doing confessions as an extra option and isn't doing something like consecrating hosts for the chapel...
I agree with your sentiments, but actually it’s a terrible thing that he’s hearing confessions also.
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Well I've discovered who this ex-diocesan priest is. He is Fr Robert Morey from South Carolina. If his name sounds familiar, it's because he was the South Carolina priest that announced that he had refused communion to Joe Biden about four years ago when he stopped in South Carolina on the campaign trail. From my understanding of talking to some of the parishioners, he's semi-retired and I think is fed up with his bishop. He was offering the TLM at his diocesan church. I asked if Fr Morey was going to join the SSPX, and it seems that he's going to be more of a "friend of the Society" (probably like Bp Huonder is doing now). I don't remember if a reason was given for his unannounced visit to offer confessions. Maybe it's for pastoral reasons given the huge influx of indult refugees that have been attending the chapel this year.
While I have a lot of respect for this Novus Ordo priest for acting Catholic by publicly refusing Joe Biden communion, I would not approach this priest for any of the sacraments. Nothing personal against him, but since he was ordained in the new rite by a new rite bishop, I have doubts about his validity. It would be great if he would get conditionally ordained, but the neo-SSPX doesn't do that anymore. Hopefully he's only doing confessions as an extra option and isn't doing something like consecrating hosts for the chapel...
Thanks for finding out!
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I agree with your sentiments, but actually it’s a terrible thing that he’s hearing confessions also.
Definitely agree, but at least he wasn't the only option that day, and it seems like it was disclosed that he was a Novus Ordo priest beforehand. I'm just worried that he'll be a last minute replacement one day the next time Fr Borbeau gets sick, especially since he's closer to the chapel than the Walton priory. The last time that there was a surprise replacement, Fr Horvath showed up to hear confessions and offer the Mass. I was happy to see him, of course, but in the future it could be Fr Morey or some other tradition-friendly Novus Ordo priest that shows up instead of the regularly scheduled priest.
What I'm most concerned about is who is consecrating the hosts, because that's not something I can determine from a cursory glance nor is it something that I can quickly clarify with a parishioner before Mass. If I can't even trust that the hosts are validly consecrated, I'll have to just forgo communion entirely going forward and possibly even cease attending at the chapel in the future. I'm going to inquire on the matter so that I can hopefully have some peace of mind.
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Thanks for finding out!
You're welcome! Had this thread not have been made, I would have never known that Fr Morey had even been there. He hasn't been there since Maundy Thursday from what I can tell. I don't know if he plans to visit more in the future.
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You're welcome! Had this thread not have been made, I would have never known that Fr Morey had even been there. He hasn't been there since Maundy Thursday from what I can tell. I don't know if he plans to visit more in the future.
We will keep vigilant!
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You're welcome! Had this thread not have been made, I would have never known that Fr Morey had even been there. He hasn't been there since Maundy Thursday from what I can tell. I don't know if he plans to visit more in the future.
That's the first time I have ever seen him, and I have been attending that parish for many years.
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That's the first time I have ever seen him, and I have been attending that parish for many years.
That makes me worried about the parish's future if this kind of thing is going to start happening. All of the current priests at the Walton priory are valid, so up until now I have not had any fears about sacramental validity. I wonder if this has any connection with the influx of indult people since, from what I've heard, the diocesan TLMs have been suppressed in Charlotte. It reminds me a lot of the Bishop Huonder situation...
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That makes me worried about the parish's future if this kind of thing is going to start happening. All of the current priests at the Walton priory are valid, so up until now I have not had any fears about sacramental validity. I wonder if this has any connection with the influx of indult people since, from what I've heard, the diocesan TLMs have been suppressed in Charlotte. It reminds me a lot of the Bishop Huonder situation...
👍. Couldn't thumbs up you because I am 1/5 percent of those who have done so. 😅
What you write here is what my thoughts and concerns are as well in general with the SSPX more and more.
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We will keep vigilant!
If he is still associated to his diocese, should have received permission from his bishop to assist the SSPX. If he did get permission, then get ready to see more of him. Reach out to him and ask him to let him know of his next visit.
Here is an email: [color=var(--link_color)]rmorey@charlestondiocese.org[/color] (rmorey@charlestondiocese.org)[/size][/email]
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If he is still associated to his diocese, should have received permission from his bishop to assist the SSPX. If he did get permission, then get ready to see more of him. Reach out to him and ask him to let him know of his next visit.
Here is an email: [color=var(--link_color)]rmorey@charlestondiocese.org[/color] (rmorey@charlestondiocese.org)[/size][/email]
I don't think the email went through: rmorey@charlestondiocese.org
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How many such priests are in the SSPX? Is there a list somewhere?
Has it ever happened that a church had a validly ordained priest and then he got moved and replaced by one of these?
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How many such priests are in the SSPX? Is there a list somewhere?
Has it ever happened that a church had a validly ordained priest and then he got moved and replaced by one of these?
There is no official list. However, this website tries to maintain a list of known priests in Traditional Catholic circles and information regarding their ordination. If a unknown priest shows up at my SSPX chapel, I usually start with this list. We should always follow up with the priest and ask him directly (respectfully) who ordained him and if we was conditionally ordained. You have a right to know with certainty that you are receiving valid sacraments.
https://catholiccandle.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/1-9-23-Catholic-Candle-List-of-priests-others-who-claim-to-be-priests.pdf
There are quite a few of the New Rite priest working for the SSPX. They run missions, teach at schools, etc. This is not something new in the history of the SSPX.
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There is no official list. However, this website tries to maintain a list of known priests in Traditional Catholic circles and information regarding their ordination. If a unknown priest shows up at my SSPX chapel, I usually start with this list. We should always follow up with the priest and ask him directly (respectfully) who ordained him and if we was conditionally ordained. You have a right to know with certainty that you are receiving valid sacraments.
https://catholiccandle.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/1-9-23-Catholic-Candle-List-of-priests-others-who-claim-to-be-priests.pdf
There are quite a few of the New Rite priest working for the SSPX. They run missions, teach at schools, etc. This is not something new in the history of the SSPX.
Is there an approximation of how many there are? Dozens? Hundreds?
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Is there an approximation of how many there are? Dozens? Hundreds?
Oh, it is not in the hundreds. there are only around 600 priests in the SSPX worlwide. Over the last few decades it probably has been at least a dozen or so in the United States but they come and go. I knew of one N.O. priest that taught at Las Salette. He got offended if you asked him about conditional ordination. However, I heard he left and received conditional ordination from a Resistance bishop. This is what you have to deal with when you get the sacraments primarily from the SSPX. it is during the summer months were this visiting priests are the most prevalent. At a mininum, be very cautious of the confessional.
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You're welcome! Had this thread not have been made, I would have never known that Fr Morey had even been there. He hasn't been there since Maundy Thursday from what I can tell. I don't know if he plans to visit more in the future.
All the priests covering that chapel over the next 6 weeks will be SSPX ordained.
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Even if he just occasionally offers Mass there, you also have the problem of his having consecrated hosts in a ciborium that ends up in the tabernacle for later distribution to the faithful.
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All the priests covering that chapel over the next 6 weeks will be SSPX ordained.
That is true. Fr. Stanich will be visiting this weekend, so I'm excited for that. All of the priests at the Walton priory are valid currently.
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Even if he just occasionally offers Mass there, you also have the problem of his having consecrated hosts in a ciborium that ends up in the tabernacle for later distribution to the faithful.
I don't think he's offered public Mass yet there, but that could certainly change. I'm thinking of inquiring from the regular priest on who consecrated the hosts during Holy Week.