The talk around the neighborhood
Take some pictures of the evidence and then report it to Fr. WegnerYeah, but they drink whisky at the district house before doing bloopers vids, so. One of the biggest casualties of the branding campaign (which is ultimately a worldliness campaign), is that the image of the SSPX priest has changed from that of austere and doctrinally rigorous to that of effeminate, lax, and worldly.
The Douay-Rhiems has the heading of Wine is a Mocker in Proverbs where the first is “ (https://biblehub.com/catholic/proverbs/20-1.htm)Wine is a luxurious thing, and drunkenness riotous: whosoever is delighted therewith, shall not be wise.” (Proverbs 20).
There is no doubt that Sanford is a worldly, ultra-liberal chapel.On the other hand, if daily life involves wine, cigars, exotic meats and cheeses, luxurious furnishings, servants, butlers, and chauffeurs, then it is difficult to defend against the charge of worldliness.
It’s prior scandalized many when the SSPX published pics of him (and the future superior general, among others) riding roller coasters (vs St. Pius ax’s exhortation for priests to exhibit a sober and grave demeanor).
And I believe they are also the dialogue mass chapel, with the effeminate band leader gesticulating at the communion rail (French modernism style).
And the prior was also the one who said it was a mortal sin to refuse a deal with Francis.
And the prior was also the one who hosted the foul-mouthed South American “toilet plunging” Monsignor in the rectory for several weeks.
With all that in the background, I guess nothing would surprise me.
Nevertheless, other posters’ points regarding detraction (particularly of a priest/priests) is serious. And is the comment that 6 priests plus two dinners with guests/week will produce a good number of empty bottles:
The prior is French, so he would be accustomed to drinking wine with dinner every day. That will account for 2 bottles at less than 2 glasses/meal.
Then, suppose three of the other 5 priests do the same. Already you are up to 8 empty bottles, drained with complete moderation.
And then perhaps they have 4 guests, 2x/week, and you drain another 3 bottles.
So when it is all said and done, they could be tossing away 10-12 bottles/week, and not one of them ever had a 3rd glass!
We are not Protestants. There's nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Also, with 5 priests living there and often entertaining parishioners and others, how do we even know whether YOUR impression of "excessive" drink is objectively excessive or whether you're poisoned a bit by a latent Puritanism?This.
On the other hand, if daily life involves wine, cigars, exotic meats and cheeses, luxurious furnishings, servants, butlers, and chauffeurs, then it is difficult to defend against the charge of worldliness.
I remember when I spent a year with the Institute of Christ the King, and was scandalized by such things (ie., It caused me to form the opinion that their excessive fixation on “beauty” was replacing their priestly vocations with the desire to live a Baroque lifestyle, with all its finery).
I was told (by one of their priests) that the priests needed these fineries: We have left our families and our countries, and these little things make it all bearable.
Obviously, I disagreed then, and I disagree today.
On the other hand, if daily life involves wine, cigars, exotic meats and cheeses, luxurious furnishings, servants, butlers, and chauffeurs, then it is difficult to defend against the charge of worldliness.
http://www.eccentricbliss.com/tag/st-thomas-more-priory/ (http://www.eccentricbliss.com/tag/st-thomas-more-priory/)
Priory Hospitality (http://www.eccentricbliss.com/2012/11/priory-hospitality/)
What a wonderful evening with the priests of St. Thomas More Priory! Bordeaux wine (my treat), Islay scotch whisky, pipe smoking, fine cheeses and crisps, and especially intelligent conversation. I will be a regular. Such hospitality!
5 or more priests at one location is excessive when there are towns who could use Mass at least once a week.
We are not Protestants. There's nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. Also, with 5 priests living there and often entertaining parishioners and others, how do we even know whether YOUR impression of "excessive" drink is objectively excessive or whether you're poisoned a bit by a latent Puritanism?The teetotaling Protestant is pretty much an obsolete thing today, maybe it still exists in small towns in Alabama and Mississippi, but it certainly does not exist in Orlando, of which Sanford is like a suburb. Orlando is like Las Vegas or Phoenix, nobody is from there, the people came there from Northeast states or Southern California. The only real Floridians are the Florida crackers or rednecks, and they don’t live in the big towns, and they are all big drinkers. So, when people in the neighborhood are scandalized by the drinking, it is because it really must be excessive.
The ultimate problem is that they are recycling the bottles and putting them in the plastic bins. My cousin worked at a waste management company and said that all garbage and "recycled" stuff goes to the same dump. Recycling doesn't happen at the city level - it's a lie. Too costly and too much time involved.
… the neighbors see the glass recycling containers every week with all the bottles of luxury wines, champagnes, Scotch, Cognac…
So, when people in the neighborhood are scandalized by the drinking, it is because it really must be excessive.(https://truthatron3000.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/huge_bs_flag.gif?w=87&h=202)
So, an anonymous poster has an anonymous cousin who works for an anonymous waste management company in an anonymous location and one is expected to find that credible? … I think not.
So, an anonymous poster has an anonymous cousin who works for an anonymous waste management company in an anonymous location and one is expected to find that credible? … I think not.Yes, I think the excessive drinking is simply due to their being thirsty.
Ummm? What is "luxury wine"? :(
The teetotaling Protestant is pretty much an obsolete thing today, maybe it still exists in small towns in Alabama and Mississippi, but it certainly does not exist in Orlando, of which Sanford is like a suburb.
Orlando is like Las Vegas or Phoenix, nobody is from there, the people came there from Northeast states or Southern California.
I have personal (and non-anonymous) experience with the recycling programs in seven different municipalities and in all those everything they say is recycled actually gets recycled.Everyone on this entire site is anonymous, ha ha. If you want to believe that recycling actually happens, then go ahead. All I can say is that in our city, top 25 of population in the US, all of it was dumped in the same spot. Maybe our "contamination" was too high, as you pointed out? I don't know. Just passing along the info. Don't shoot the messenger.
http://www.eccentricbliss.com/tag/st-thomas-more-priory/ (http://www.eccentricbliss.com/tag/st-thomas-more-priory/)Dear Anonymous et al:
Priory Hospitality (http://www.eccentricbliss.com/2012/11/priory-hospitality/)
What a wonderful evening with the priests of St. Thomas More Priory! Bordeaux wine (my treat), Islay scotch whisky, pipe smoking, fine cheeses and crisps, and especially intelligent conversation. I will be a regular. Such hospitality!
Dear Anonymous et al:Where can I get one of those long-stemmed pipes, such as were pictured in your blog??
I'm the author of the above blog post (which oddly enough is over seven years old!), currently attend St. Thomas More, and would be more than delighted to answer the accusations made supra.
(Hint: The charges levelled against the priests (and by extension the culture of the community at large) are a puritanical overreaction at best; more likely, however, an intentionally dishonest representation altogether.)
I'm compelled to join the conversation as searching this forum for my name or associations has caused me to question the propriety, honesty, and extremist views of some of the folks here.
In Dno et Dna.
Where can I get one of those long-stemmed pipes, such as were pictured in your blog??This one:
This one:Disregard; I see the webaddress, now that the picture is enlarged! Pretty sweet website, too!
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Lemme see here: CathInfo readers are expected to believe claims made by an anonymous poster about Central Florida!? How can anyone know whether he or she is not actually just an opinionated snowbird from New York or Michigan?
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Sanford is an independenttown|city on its own merits, notably established as the principal river port for Central Florida, back in the decades when that was highly important because the prevailing gray-sand soil seriously impeded transportation. By contrast, Orlando was just a reprovisioning & comfort stop for cattle-ranchers, reliant on goods transported there across the troublesome intervening soil, probably mostly from the Port of Sanford.
Lemme see here: CathInfo readers are expected to believe claims made by an anonymous poster about Central Florida!? How can anyone know whether he or she is not actually just an opinionated snowbird from New York or Michigan?
This one:The style of pipe is called a churchwarden. The one pictured is a Stanwell. Search "churchwarden" here: https://www.smokingpipes.com/search/main-search.cfm for a selection. But beware, evidently it will turn you into a liberal or (gasp!) and Anglican!
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Dear Anonymous et al:I know who you are and my advice to you is that “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones” if you get my drift.
I'm the author of the above blog post (which oddly enough is over seven years old!), currently attend St. Thomas More, and would be more than delighted to answer the accusations made supra.
(Hint: The charges levelled against the priests (and by extension the culture of the community at large) are a puritanical overreaction at best; more likely, however, an intentionally dishonest representation altogether.)
I'm compelled to join the conversation as searching this forum for my name or associations has caused me to question the propriety, honesty, and extremist views of some of the folks here.
In Dno et Dna.
I know who you are and my advice to you is that “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones” if you get my drift.Bring it. I take it you're labelling me a drunk and a party-goer as you've smeared the Priory priests?
The style of pipe is called a churchwarden. The one pictured is a Stanwell. Search "churchwarden" here: https://www.smokingpipes.com/search/main-search.cfm for a selection. But beware, evidently it will turn you into a liberal or (gasp!) and Anglican!T-H-A-N-K-S!!!
T-H-A-N-K-S!!!This was me (grrr) ^^^^
I like this style of pipe, because the bowl is far enough away from the eyes that you can read/write and smoke at the same time, without the one interfering with the other.
Sweet selection here: https://www.smokingpipes.com/search/main-search.cfm (https://www.smokingpipes.com/search/main-search.cfm)
Bring it. I take it you're labelling me a drunk and a party-goer as you've smeared the Priory priests?BTW, my identity is known. Who are you, then?
This was me (grrr) ^^^^Yep, that's the whole idea. BTW, did they design this damnable forum around the idea of lurking in the shadows and sniping anonymously at others? Why do I need to click a box NOT to hide my identity?
Yep, that's the whole idea. BTW, did they design this damnable forum around the idea of lurking in the shadows and sniping anonymously at others? Why do I need to click a box NOT to hide my identity?So... for the record... I'm the guy who lives in a glass house and cavorts with the drunk, liberal priests in Sanford. So have at it!
Bring it. I take it you're labelling me a drunk and a party-goer as you've smeared the Priory priests?No, my warning you that “People who live in glass houses….” has nothing to do with you drinking and party-going. I do not know anything about your personal life. Anyone that wants to know that can read your website. I have never been one to harm the injured.
Everyone on this entire site is anonymous, ha ha.
If you want to believe that recycling actually happens, then go ahead.
All I can say is that in our city, top 25 of population in the US, all of it was dumped in the same spot. Maybe our "contamination" was too high, as you pointed out? I don't know. Just passing along the info.
… all garbage and "recycled" stuff goes to the same dump.
… all of it was dumped in the same spot.
No, my warning you that “People who live in glass houses….” has nothing to do with you drinking and party-going. I do not know anything about your personal life. Anyone that wants to know that can read your website. I have never been one to harm the injured.Though evidently you yourself are not man enough to step out of the shadows?
The priests on the other hand are all men and they can take the advice I have given.
The one that is a snowbird that even admits he’s only been to Sanford once is the poster quoted. He copies and pastes from the internet and thinks he knows Florida.
The OP has lived in Florida for well over 50 years.
Some years ago one of my sisters went off to college. She was paired with a room mate who hated Catholics. She harassed my sister about her Catholicity and how she should be going to the appropriate Protestant church/chapel. In order to manifest her Catholicity a bit more my sister got two things to show off her religious belief, a statue of the Blessed Virgin with a rosary on the table next to her bed and a large plaque on the wall that said Budweiser.I love this!
Wine is a staple every day (bar Friday) at our homeWhoa, you drink every day and go to the bar on Friday too??! Can I come over for dinner? :jester:
Some years ago one of my sisters went off to college. She was paired with a room mate who hated Catholics. She harassed my sister about her Catholicity and how she should be going to the appropriate Protestant church/chapel. In order to manifest her Catholicity a bit more my sister got two things to show off her religious belief, a statue of the Blessed Virgin with a rosary on the table next to her bed and a large plaque on the wall that said Budweiser.Your sister is to be commended for displaying a statue of the Blessed Mother and a rosary, I hope that she used the rosary and not just displayed it. On the other hand, her placing a plaque of a beer company is nothing to be commended about. Your sister was a young girl in college, I hope she was not going to bars and drinking in mixed company. Alcohol lowers a womans inhibitions and when you combine that with men drinking it spells jumping into a near occasion of sin. I’ve seen it even among married women, drinks and men of the opposite sex is a bad formula that leads many times to adultery. I’ve seen it over and over again even among traditionalist.
Your sister is to be commended for displaying a statue of the Blessed Mother and a rosary, I hope that she used the rosary and not just displayed it. On the other hand, her placing a plaque of a beer company is nothing to be commended about. Your sister was a young girl in college, I hope she was not going to bars and drinking in mixed company. Alcohol lowers a womans inhibitions and when you combine that with men drinking it spells jumping into a near occasion of sin. I’ve seen it even among married women, drinks and men of the opposite sex is a bad formula that leads many times to adultery. I’ve seen it over and over again even among traditionalist.I think she did this to get a reaction out of her Protestant room mate who harassed about being Catholic.
On the other hand, her placing a plaque of a beer company is nothing to be commended about.
I think she did this to get a reaction out of her Protestant room mate who harassed about being Catholic.
I didn't think about that until you mentioned it. Thanks!!!!!!!!Someone is trying to be funny by posting an answer for me. I did not write that answer.
Your sister is to be commended for displaying a statue of the Blessed Mother and a rosary, I hope that she used the rosary and not just displayed it. On the other hand, her placing a plaque of a beer company is nothing to be commended about. Your sister was a young girl in college, I hope she was not going to bars and drinking in mixed company. Alcohol lowers a womans inhibitions and when you combine that with men drinking it spells jumping into a near occasion of sin. I’ve seen it even among married women, drinks and men of the opposite sex is a bad formula that leads many times to adultery. I’ve seen it over and over again even among traditionalist.
Poche wrote: I think she did this to get a reaction out of her Protestant room mate who harassed about being Catholic.
Someone is trying to be funny by posting an answer for me. I did not write that answer.There, that is better. That was a mistake at the end.
I wrote:
My response: That that may have been reason she might of hung up the plaque was understood by me the writer of the above quote. That does not change what I wrote, for her actions and motives may not have not been Catholic for posting a plaque of a beer company. The Protestant may have been more Catholic in not going to bars and a good example, while the sister may have been a bad example by going to bars and idolizing it as a good recreation by posting a plaque.
I didn't think about that until you mentioned it. Thanks!!!!!!!!
This whole conversation is rather silly. What business is it of yours what they consume? Besides, if you're worried about the expense, I wouldn't necessarily assume the parish is paying for all of that stuff. [....] And if priests want to spend their Mass and baptism stipends [*] on a nice bottle of vintage port, what is that to you? I remember something about casting a speck out of someone else's eye.