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Author Topic: Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?  (Read 696 times)

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Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?
« on: April 10, 2017, 06:26:32 PM »
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  • I realize that non-Americans do not have the same rights as Americans (under the Constitution)

    but some legal minds seem to imply otherwise, those fighting for the "rights" of illegals.

    on the forum here, it was said that Assad was or should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Well, we still don't know absolutely whether it was Assad or ? who used sarin gas. Fox tells us (or did.. haven't been watching lately) that it was Assad. But i have doubts.. In any case, why dont we capture him and take him to court? We can't do that?

    Well... I just hate having all these questions about what is going on "over there". It is really a huge bummer not being able to trust at least Fox... >:(

    Anyway, I do think we should try to keep to our American principles as much as possible, even though war makes everything different.. and of course if Assad was bombing his own people, w don't exactly have time to capture him and drag him into a court of law and etc... before taking action

    but still..something does not seem right w/ this Syria thing..


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    Re: Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?
    « Reply #1 on: April 11, 2017, 02:35:08 AM »
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  • What you are saying makes no sense. In criminal courts everyone (non Americans included) have the same rights. The right to a lawyer, the right against self incrimination etc...


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    Re: Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?
    « Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 10:25:27 AM »
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  • Non-citizens do have rights under the Constitution, so long as they are in the United States.  The 14th Amendment says that "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  Notice it merely says "person" and not "citizen."

    Of course, this only applies to non-citizen who are in the United States ("within its jurisdiction").  It would not apply to, for example, Assad, who is in Syria.

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    Re: Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?
    « Reply #3 on: April 11, 2017, 08:31:56 PM »
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  • Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?

    What you should ask yourself is what rights do Americans have to interfere with the sovereignty of other nations?
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    Re: Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?
    « Reply #4 on: April 12, 2017, 12:59:31 AM »
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  • Non-citizens do have rights under the Constitution, so long as they are in the United States.  The 14th Amendment says that "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  Notice it merely says "person" and not "citizen."

    Of course, this only applies to non-citizen who are in the United States ("within its jurisdiction").  It would not apply to, for example, Assad, who is in Syria.
    yeah but the constitution clearly defines its scope to only extend to citizens, too.  You're reading too much into the word "person."
    As I recall, however, current laws do extend certain rights to non-citizens, after Guantanomo.  The general argument was that they could be held indefinitely because they weren't citizens and therefore not entitled to constitutional rights, but the Supreme Court interpreted the framers' intentions as including all persons as having a basic habeas corpus right (which is not an unreasonable assumption, given that the principle far predates the framers, and even the reformation).  Ergo, certain aliens do have certain rights even under American law. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Non-Americans do not have American rights...right?
    « Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 04:39:01 PM »
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  • yes we should be careful about interfering w/ the soveirnity of other countries (spelling)

    but what Assad allegedly did (still don't have convincing evidence brought to us by the media) we have a moral right to interfere

    we can't just sit back and say to the syrian people: Better you than me