Author Topic: New SSPX Mass Postures (Read 2854 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** August 06, 2018, 06:35:31 PM »

7-8 months ago, my pastor changed all the Mass postures for the faithful. At high Mass we now stand when he ascends the altar, when he is incensed before we are incensed, through the Sanctus, through the Agnus Dei.

There are additional changes as well for the altar servers.

This past Sunday the Sanctus took so long, we were within 5-6 seconds of standing during the consecration!

As I had seen an article earlier in the year stating that BXVI's dreamed-of hybridization of the new and old rites will produce a hybrid to be released this Advent, it sure seems like the faithful are gradually being made to adapt to the 1965 hybrid Mass (which will very nearly approximate the BXVI/Francis hybrid).

Are others seeing these new postures instituted in their chapels?

PS: It also occurs to me that our pastors, prior to 2007, used to say Mass quietly, whereas since then all the prayers (outside the Canon) are said in a very loud voice, as though they were being directed to the people rather than God (New Mass principle/error).

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2018, 06:43:30 PM »

Yes and the Novus Ordo process begins again. When I was attending with the SSPX the people all stood during the priests Communion. What’s the big deal? Well then the people are desensitized to standing for Communion. It’s a process.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2018, 07:06:18 PM »

In which country?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2018, 07:15:40 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 06, 2018, 07:06:18 PM

In which country?

USA

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:07:24 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 06, 2018, 06:43:30 PM

Yes and the Novus Ordo process begins again. When I was attending with the SSPX the people all stood during the priest's Communion. What’s the big deal? Well then the people are desensitized to standing for Communion. It’s a process.

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About 10 years ago in Orange County (CA) the local bishop (Todd Brown, now retired) published an edict by which he admonished all Catholics to remain standing when they return from Communion. In it, he said (not making this up) that anyone who kneels when they return to their pew from having received communion is committing a mortal sin.
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Of course, the other error of standing to receive communion, wasn't part of the announcement because everyone was already doing that anyway.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:14:37 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 06, 2018, 06:35:31 PM

7-8 months ago, my pastor changed all the Mass postures for the faithful. At high Mass we now stand when he ascends the altar, when he is incensed before we are incensed, through the Sanctus, through the Agnus Dei.

There are additional changes as well for the altar servers.

This past Sunday the Sanctus took so long, we were within 5-6 seconds of standing during the consecration!

As I had seen an article earlier in the year stating that BXVI's dreamed-of hybridization of the new and old rites will produce a hybrid to be released this Advent, it sure seems like the faithful are gradually being made to adapt to the 1965 hybrid Mass (which will very nearly approximate the BXVI/Francis hybrid).

Are others seeing these new postures instituted in their chapels?

PS: It also occurs to me that our pastors, prior to 2007, used to say Mass quietly, whereas since then all the prayers (outside the Canon) are said in a very loud voice, as though they were being directed to the people rather than God (New Mass principle/error).

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Looks like it's time to leave the SSPX. If the Faithful had voted with their feet in 1965, we wouldn't be in this mess today.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2018, 02:03:22 AM »

Over the years I have seen some SSPX priests gesture to the faithful - especially when they are kneeling - to sit or stand at various times of the Mass. For example, one priest was adamant that we sit, when the priest sits, during the Credo when it is a Sung Mass. I have heard that this is to be the case when there is a choir present, standing and singing the Credo, while the faithful, who already stood when the priest recited it, can now sit with him. But no. You have to sit and sing. You are affirming your belief in God whilst seated.....
I saw a priest interrupt the Asperges and tell a faithful who was kneeling in prayer, to stand up.
I hope these officious and pompous men get screwed by the Novus Ordo whom they are very keen to lie with. Dont be surprised if at the SSPX Mass of the future you can sit or stand throughout a-la-Novus Ordo Missae.

Stubborn · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2018, 06:22:25 AM »

No changes at all at my SSPX chapel. Although I have only gone to Low Mass the last 4 or 5 years, nothing in the Mass has changed, it's still exactly the same today as it was in the basements and VFW halls of the late 60s and 70s.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2018, 06:44:23 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on August 07, 2018, 06:22:25 AM

No changes at all at my SSPX chapel. Although I have only gone to Low Mass the last 4 or 5 years, nothing in the Mass has changed, it's still exactly the same today as it was in the basements and VFW halls of the late 60s and 70s.

Poche to the rescue!
Unfortunately for her, contrary to her faulty memory, there weren’t any such SSPX Masses in basements in the late 1960’s, since the SSPX WASNT FOUNDED UNTIL 1970!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2018, 06:47:10 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 06:44:23 AM

Poche to the rescue!
Unfortunately for her, contrary to her faulty memory, there weren’t any such SSPX Masses in basements in the late 1960’s, since the SSPX WASNT FOUNDED UNTIL 1970!

Er...Stubborn to the rescue!
I presumed a comment like that could only be a Poche-ism.

Stubborn · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2018, 06:59:02 AM »

Truth is truth, sorry that doesn't meet your agenda.

Look up Fr. Bonfil, I served his masses pre-SSPX in basements etc., he was the first SSPX priest who handed the baton to the next SSPX priest, Fr. Ward when he showed up, whom I also served mass for in the VFW Hall and his own basement - and also many other [then] newly ordained SSPX priests. That was in the late 60s with Fr. Bonfil, and early 70s with Fr. Ward and other SSPX priests. In those days I also served Mass for many non-SSPX or "Independents" - my SSPX chapel still the same Mass today as then.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2018, 07:54:49 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 06, 2018, 06:35:31 PM

7-8 months ago, my pastor changed all the Mass postures for the faithful. At high Mass we now stand when he ascends the altar, when he is incensed before we are incensed, through the Sanctus, through the Agnus Dei.

There are additional changes as well for the altar servers.

This past Sunday the Sanctus took so long, we were within 5-6 seconds of standing during the consecration!

As I had seen an article earlier in the year stating that BXVI's dreamed-of hybridization of the new and old rites will produce a hybrid to be released this Advent, it sure seems like the faithful are gradually being made to adapt to the 1965 hybrid Mass (which will very nearly approximate the BXVI/Francis hybrid).

Are others seeing these new postures instituted in their chapels?

PS: It also occurs to me that our pastors, prior to 2007, used to say Mass quietly, whereas since then all the prayers (outside the Canon) are said in a very loud voice, as though they were being directed to the people rather than God (New Mass principle/error).

Is the priest French? How old is he more or less?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2018, 08:12:28 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 06, 2018, 06:35:31 PM

7-8 months ago, my pastor changed all the Mass postures for the faithful. At high Mass we now stand when he ascends the altar, when he is incensed before we are incensed, through the Sanctus, through the Agnus Dei.

There are additional changes as well for the altar servers.

This past Sunday the Sanctus took so long, we were within 5-6 seconds of standing during the consecration!

Are others seeing these new postures instituted in their chapels?

I remember an article where an Italian lady who moved to England was surprised at how everyone was following the postures with military precision like it was a life and death affair. In Italy, the people do not attend mass that way, for some will be kneeling during the whole mass, some doing the rosary, some kneeling during certain times when others are standing...….
If you know your mass postures are the custom of your country, then why don't you follow the custom?

M and Liz · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2018, 08:30:53 AM »

The Walton, KY, parish has been following the new postures for well over a year, if my memory serves me right.
All other trad parishes and indult parishes in that area follow the old way. The only churches, to my knowledge, that follow these new postures are the Novus Ordo.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2018, 08:35:11 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 08:12:28 AM

I remember an article where an Italian lady who moved to England was surprised at how everyone was following the postures with military precision like it was a life and death affair. In Italy, the people do not attend mass that way, for some will be kneeling during the whole mass, some doing the rosary, some kneeling during certain times when others are standing...….
If you know your mass postures are the custom of your country, then why don't you follow the custom?

I am the OP:
Our customs of 40 years were changed 7-8 months ago, per the OP.
I have refused to go along with them, because per the OP, I suspect where they are leading.

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