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Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2018, 08:58:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 08:35:11 AM
    I am the OP:
    Our customs of 40 years were changed 7-8 months ago, per the OP.
    I have refused to go along with them, because per the OP, I suspect where they are leading.
    Good for you. You will be a constant reminder to others of what was and is the custom in all trad chapels except yours.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #16 on: August 07, 2018, 09:09:20 AM »
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    • I think these may be French customs dumped upon the USA. The French followed the liberals/modernists/progressives long before Vatican II. France was the cradle of liturgical changes after the death of Pius X. Today less than 4% of the French go to mass. They are not an example to follow. By each French priest jerking the USA seminarians and parishioners around, changing the postures and other customs of the country, they are participants in laying the groundwork for the Novus Ordo all over again. It is the Novus Ordo constant change "do whatever father says mentality", in which people forget altogether what they were.

    "There was once a cat that dreamed he was a man dreaming that he was a cat. and when he woke up, he did not know if he was a man or a cat".

    Use this opportunity to learn why no Catholic in the USA used those new postures before or today.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #17 on: August 07, 2018, 09:19:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 09:09:20 AM
    I think these may be French customs dumped upon the USA. The French followed the liberals/modernists/progressives long before Vatican II. France was the cradle of liturgical changes after the death of Pius X. Today less than 4% of the French go to mass. They are not an example to follow. By each French priest jerking the USA seminarians and parishioners around, changing the postures and other customs of the country, they are participants in laying the groundwork for the Novus Ordo all over again. It is the Novus Ordo constant change "do whatever father says mentality", in which people forget altogether what they were.

    "There was once a cat that dreamed he was a man dreaming that he was a cat. and when he woke up, he did not know if he was a man or a cat".

    Use this opportunity to learn why no Catholic in the USA used those new postures before or today.
    Hello. I am the OP again:
    Yes, the customs are definitely French/Belgic, but the priest is American.
    So I suspect that either he has received these instructions from above, or, the changes are a result of his branded formation.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #18 on: August 07, 2018, 09:27:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
    Hello. I am the OP again:
    Yes, the customs are definitely French/Belgic, but the priest is American.
    So I suspect that either he has received these instructions from above, or, the changes are a result of his branded formation.
    Likely, he was taught at the USA seminary by the French rector.
    "By their fruits you shall know them". The fruits of the French liturgical changes are less than 4% mass attendance in France. The fruits of the USA is 23% mass attendance, the highest in any country, although nothing to brag about. 
    Did you know that the French do not do the Leonine Prayers at low mass? They also do not use the low mass, but the dialogue mass.
     
    France is France, let them keep their novelties.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #19 on: August 07, 2018, 12:32:57 PM »
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    • I grew up in a SSPX chapel in US and go there when I visit home. They still do the same during sung mass as they did more than 20 years go: stand during asperges, kyrie, prayer, gloria & creed until priest sits, sanctus, pater, agnus dei, and prayer after communion. 

    I have visited several SSPX chapels over the years and none did anything really different.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #20 on: August 07, 2018, 12:46:35 PM »
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    • I recall Sean Johnson’s old blog posting a picture of the card that was placed in the pews at his chapel announcing the new postures for the faithful at Mass.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #21 on: August 07, 2018, 01:51:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 12:32:57 PM
    I grew up in a SSPX chapel in US and go there when I visit home. They still do the same during sung mass as they did more than 20 years go: stand during asperges, kyrie, prayer, gloria & creed until priest sits, sanctus, pater, agnus dei, and prayer after communion.

    I have visited several SSPX chapels over the years and none did anything really different.
    If they stand during the Sanctus, it comes from a change that was introduced at St. Mary's to the children that go there to spread it to other chapels. In the USA, Catholics always knelt at the Sanctus. 20 years ago, was just 1998, its a novelty, not a custom in the USA.  
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    « Reply #22 on: August 07, 2018, 01:57:04 PM »
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    • In the 1950's South America, everyone knelt from the Sanctus till the post communion reading. According to the 1945 Father Lasance Missal, the USA was the same. 
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #23 on: August 07, 2018, 07:57:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 01:51:10 PM
    If they stand during the Sanctus, it comes from a change that was introduced at St. Mary's to the children that go there to spread it to other chapels. In the USA, Catholics always knelt at the Sanctus. 20 years ago, was just 1998, its a novelty, not a custom in the USA.  
    Point is it's not something in the last year or two, which is what the OP asked about.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #24 on: August 07, 2018, 08:30:08 PM »
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    • The Sheep in the SSPX will obey.

    They are like frogs that are placed in a pan of cold water. The frogs stay in that pan even when the flame starts to warm that pan.
    Soon they cannot get out of the pan because they are very comfortable and are falling asleep. It will only be a matter of time before they are boiled to death.
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #25 on: August 07, 2018, 09:33:59 PM »
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    • We discussed these postures here on CI 6 years ago.  This has been going on since then in the SSPX
    Some very good points were made on the thread below.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-postures-for-mass-slow-boiling-sspxers/

    I still feel the same way I posted then.
    "As for the postures at Mass, Christ knelt in the Garden to His Father.  Who are we to do any less?  At the first Holy Sacrifice offered to the Father, Christ was restricted from kneeling by the nails holding Him to the cross.  We should kneel while we have the chance."
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #26 on: August 11, 2018, 05:17:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 07, 2018, 02:03:22 AM
    Over the years I have seen some SSPX priests gesture to the faithful - especially when they are kneeling - to sit or stand at various times of the Mass. For example, one priest was adamant that we sit, when the priest sits, during the Credo when it is a Sung Mass. I have heard that this is to be the case when there is a choir present, standing and singing the Credo, while the faithful, who already stood when the priest recited it, can now sit with him. But no. You have to sit and sing. You are affirming your belief in God whilst seated.....
    I saw a priest interrupt the Asperges and tell a faithful who was kneeling in prayer, to stand up.
    I hope these officious and pompous men get screwed by the Novus Ordo whom they are very keen to lie with. Dont be surprised if at the SSPX Mass of the future you can sit or stand throughout a-la-Novus Ordo Missae.
    I remember either the priest, or a commentator designated by him giving instructions like that during mass and that was the original TLM. 
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #27 on: August 11, 2018, 05:20:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 11, 2018, 02:58:50 AM
    The Novus Ordo instructs us to kneel at the Sanctus.
    That must have been left over from the TLM, because the Novus Ordo wants youto stand during the Sanctus so you can sing and "actively participate."
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #28 on: August 12, 2018, 06:54:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 11, 2018, 11:02:51 PM
    Yes you are right in that this posture comes to us from the TLM, but you are mistaken in that the Novus Ordo wants you to stand during the Sanctus. From the General Instructions;  "In the Dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy) until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer,"
    http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/girm-chapter-2.cfm
    The quote you provided says they should kneel AFTER the sanctus, which means they were STANDING DURING THE SANCTUS.
    Standing DURING the Sanctus is a NOvus Ordoism, because they would rather you sing to "actively participate" than kneel and pray (which they don't consider "active participation."
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    Re: New SSPX Mass Postures
    « Reply #29 on: August 12, 2018, 07:30:25 PM »
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    • Byzatine Rite stands and even after reception of communion, STAND.  Here in Phoenix, an elderly priest died and the next one changed the rubic and posture as you say.  Byzatine Rite change missalettes with capital letters and BOLD print stating STAND, DO NOT KNEEL.   I never went there again, about 1998?  I told my friend, a parishioner of this church, I would not come back.  She asked why?  I said, I refuse to STAND when it is an honor and a right to kneel and adore Christ truly present.  Her reply was, "standing is also a form of mortification".  This is a college math teacher and I was shocked.  I said, "At the name of Jesus, all knees should bend".
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