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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2019, 03:39:46 PM »
I personally prefer the pre-Pius XII Holy Week rites but I don't like the time of day.  Christ's First Mass on Holy Thursday took place in the evening but SSPV offers it in the morning.  And Easter Vigil they also have Saturday morning.  But the rite was obviously intended for overnight Saturday into Sunday ... with all the light vs. darkness symbolism at the very heart of the Vigil.  And the word Vigil itself refers to staying awake overnight.  At Pius V chapels, everyone says Happy Easter on Holy Saturday morning.  Christ rose on the third day ... not the second.  Moving it earlier was an abuse introduced by some so that they could end the Lenten fast early ... by noon on Saturday.
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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2019, 03:49:01 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 27, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
I agree completely with Pax.  It's such a confusing time that I don't believe God will punish someone who acts on a doubtful conscience.  I usually attend "una cuм" Mass but will on occasion go non-una-cuм.  I don't like the spirit at most SV chapels, so I don't frequent them, but have gone on occasion with great spiritual benefit.  I do really like Father William Jenkins but not most of the other SSPV priests that I know.  To throw a wrench in the works, some people do question the Mendez ordinations and consecration ... but I don't.  I also do not doubt the validity of many Thuc lines ... even though SSPV does.  I find that inconsistent because nearly all of the same complaints they have about Thuc apply to Mendez equally.
Why don't you have any doubts about those consecrations?  curious cause I've seen both of those questioned and "we claim that someone consecrated me two years after it happened, after the bishop's death" definitely seems sketch, and I know Thuc was kinda nutty.
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2019, 05:22:14 PM »
There are 2 Thucs. Bishop Moises Carmona to Father George Musey.  Bishop Guerard des Lauriers  to Robert McKenna.  CMRI is from Bishop Carmona.

The information I have states: The consecrations at Econe were conferred after John Paul II refused permission and despite the formal prohibition against them. And this while both consecrator and those consecrated recognized John Paul II as a legitimate pope.

On the other hand, those performed by Archbishop Thus were performed by "someone" who had recognized and publicly declared that the Holy See lacked a formaliter Pope.  Two fortunate things followed from this recognition of the absence of any Authority.  It allowed both consecrator and those consecrated to invoke the principle of epikeia in presuming and apostolic mandate and as a result rendered the consecrations conferred not only valid but also licit.

I am sorry, I do not have the source of this info.  A copy was given to me about 15 ears ago.
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Offline songbird

Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2019, 05:22:34 PM »
The above post by me.
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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2019, 05:46:05 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 27, 2019, 03:39:46 PM
I personally prefer the pre-Pius XII Holy Week rites but I don't like the time of day.  Christ's First Mass on Holy Thursday took place in the evening but SSPV offers it in the morning.  And Easter Vigil they also have Saturday morning.  But the rite was obviously intended for overnight Saturday into Sunday ... with all the light vs. darkness symbolism at the very heart of the Vigil.  And the word Vigil itself refers to staying awake overnight.  At Pius V chapels, everyone says Happy Easter on Holy Saturday morning.  Christ rose on the third day ... not the second.  Moving it earlier was an abuse introduced by some so that they could end the Lenten fast early ... by noon on Saturday.
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