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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2019, 03:20:09 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
In the Middle Ages, there was a time where there were 3 different people who claimed to be pope.  It was a highly confusing and chaotic time.  The Church ended up canonizing saints who were on all 3 sides of the debate.  The moral of the story is that it is not the job of the laity to know who is or isn't pope, if there is a huge crisis and confusion about the issue.
As long as you attend a mass by a valid priest, and that mass is legal and moral, then you do not sin.  Masses said by the SSPV are valid, legal and moral, therefore you can attend these, if you wish.
This is how I view the confusion.
Can you please explain what you mean when you say SSPV Masses are legal?
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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2019, 03:23:03 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 27, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
I agree completely with Pax.  It's such a confusing time that I don't believe God will punish someone who acts on a doubtful conscience.  I usually attend "una cuм" Mass but will on occasion go non-una-cuм.  I don't like the spirit at most SV chapels, so I don't frequent them, but have gone on occasion with great spiritual benefit.  I do really like Father William Jenkins but not most of the other SSPV priests that I know.  To throw a wrench in the works, some people do question the Mendez ordinations and consecration ... but I don't.  I also do not doubt the validity of many Thuc lines ... even though SSPV does.  I find that inconsistent because nearly all of the same complaints they have about Thuc apply to Mendez equally.
So if both Thuc and Mendez consecration are doubtful, that is a further impediment.  Aren’t there any groups with indisputedly valid priests who say the pre-1955?
What a mess the Church is in!!
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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2019, 03:23:34 PM »
Father Jenkins delivers amazing sermons ... except that they're often very long and contain several sermons in one ... so that two hours later, while I recall that it was great, I couldn't tell you what it had been about. That could be partly due to early-onset memory loss on my end though.
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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2019, 03:30:13 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on March 27, 2019, 03:23:03 PM
So if both Thuc and Mendez consecration are doubtful, that is a further impediment.  Aren’t there any groups with indisputedly valid priests who say the pre-1955?
What a mess the Church is in!!

No positive doubt has ever been adequately articulated ... as they have been merely fanning the flames of negative doubt.  And scrupulous people cling to negative doubt.

Also, I have zero issues with the Pius XII Holy Week rites ... as they were fully approved by a legitimate Pope.

Which priest will be offering the Liturgy you are contemplating attending?
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Re: Nervous re 1st Pre-1955 Holy Week
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2019, 03:35:29 PM »
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Can you please explain what you mean when you say SSPV Masses are legal?
I just mean that they are good Traditional priests who are offering Mass under the law and protection of Quo Primum, a law which allows Traditionalists (of any group) to exist.
In my opinion, an indult latin mass is illegal because it's contrary to the spirit of Quo Primum, but that's another topic and I don't want to derail the thread.
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