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NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
« on: December 04, 2015, 06:45:34 AM »
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  • So, a liberal Novus Ordo person has recently boasted posted that they pray in front of abortion clinics every week.  

    Now, I'm all for Catholic activism.  

    My question here, in the safe anonymous forum, is this: are there people here, in this online Traditionalist Catholic community who do that sort of thing as well?  

    I've never really been involved in the whole praying-before-an-abortion-mill scene.  I'm usually watching television and eating pretzels.   :tv-disturbed:

    But seriously.  Are there any, here in these circles, who do this as well?



    Feel free to post anonymously.  Just looking for a bit of feedback on this brief question.
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    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2015, 07:52:42 AM »
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  • The last abortion clinic in South Texas was closed after consistent weekly Rosary crusades in front of it by some conservative minded-Novus ordos.



    https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/catholic-pro-lifers-give-thanks-for-closure-of-corpus-christi-abortion-faci


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    NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2015, 08:09:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    So, a liberal Novus Ordo person has recently boasted posted that they pray in front of abortion clinics every week.  

    Now, I'm all for Catholic activism.  

    My question here, in the safe anonymous forum, is this: are there people here, in this online Traditionalist Catholic community who do that sort of thing as well?  

    I've never really been involved in the whole praying-before-an-abortion-mill scene.  I'm usually watching television and eating pretzels.   :tv-disturbed:

    But seriously.  Are there any, here in these circles, who do this as well?

    Feel free to post anonymously.  Just looking for a bit of feedback on this brief question.


     I find your attitude very stupid, especially the boasted posted quip which I guess you think is clever. If you're prepared to pray outside an abortion clinic, which brings real physical risks to the person, why would you need to post under a pseudo-name in the anonymous section?

    I don't do it but I would if I could and I have done it several times in the past. I know men who have gone to prison for it and others whose lives hung by a tattered thread because of attacks against their person.

    No, it's not a sin to pray in a public place or to attempt to save the lives of innocents or to try to rescue souls from damnation.  You say you are "all for Catholic activism". So what would you like to know?
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    NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
    « Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 09:34:19 PM »
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  • I've done this far too few times, considering I do have the opportunity. It would be quite easy.

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    ...If you're prepared to pray outside an abortion clinic, which brings real physical risks to the person, why would you need to post under a pseudo-name in the anonymous section?

    Some people don't like to bring any attention whatsoever to their good works, that might be why.

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    NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2015, 09:49:49 PM »
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  • I find your attitude very stupid, especially the boasted posted quip which I guess you think is clever.

    And I find your sour pugnacious reply to be short-sighted and laugh-inducing!   :smile:

    I am clever, though.

    If you're prepared to pray outside an abortion clinic, which brings real physical risks to the person, why would you need to post under a pseudo-name in the anonymous section?


    I'm not prepared to pray outside an abortion clinic.  But I read of a liberal Catholic who was broadcasting that they did, and I was intrigued of whether or not any in the Trad Community did this as well.

    This thread is in the anonymous section for the benefit of any responders who actually do pray in front of baby-killing mills, but wish to retain their humility, tell me of their experience, and yet remain unnamed so that they will not be accused of boasting.



    I don't do it but I would if I could and I have done it several times in the past. I know men who have gone to prison for it and others whose lives hung by a tattered thread because of attacks against their person.


    Fascinating.  Tell me more about these fellows you've mentioned.  We're they Trads?

    We're you a Traditionalist Catholic when you prayed in front of the abortion mill?

    No, it's not a sin to pray in a public place or to attempt to save the lives of innocents or to try to rescue souls from damnation.  You say you are "all for Catholic activism".

    Really?  It's not a sin?  Good to know, though I already knew this and did not presume the contrary.

     So what would you like to know?


    Answers to my original question in the OP:

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    NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
    « Reply #5 on: December 05, 2015, 12:21:47 AM »
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  • The lady who is the coordinator of the group that prays in front of the local abortion clinics is a member of a traditionalist parish. The priests from that parish regularly go and pray in front of that clinic also. They are an example of Catholic holiness that is edifying for all of the Catholics in the area.  

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    « Reply #6 on: December 05, 2015, 02:43:57 AM »
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    I know several longtime trads who join groups praying the Rosary in front of baby killing centers, otherwise known as abortion mills.

    I have joined them in the past and I will join them in the future, God willing.

    Some things I have noticed there that are edifying:

    -- There are Protestants who also pray the Rosary at such gatherings.

    -- These Protestants along with the Catholics, both Novus Ordo and trads, have learned to sing the Ave Maria and Salve Regina in Gregorian Chant, which they sing after the Rosary is completed.

    -- I have noticed one Jєωιѕн woman who joins at one group, who stays apart from the others by a few feet, reciting the Psalms while the others pray the Rosary.  

    -- The Catholics and the Protestants get along fine with each other, and they don't argue about the Rosary, because they're all there to save lives of babies and they have found there are many positive results that occur right before their eyes.

    -- They all have to obey silly laws that require them to keep moving on the sidewalk, so as not to so much as appear to be blocking traffic or interfering with people who are walking into the baby killing centers.  

    -- They are forbidden by law to set foot onto the property of the center but must remain on the sidewalk outside at the street.

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    NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
    « Reply #7 on: December 05, 2015, 03:33:53 AM »
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    I don't do it but I would if I could and I have done it several times in the past. I know men who have gone to prison for it and others whose lives hung by a tattered thread because of attacks against their person.


    Fascinating.  Tell me more about these fellows you've mentioned. We're Were they Trads?


    One person who was in jail is Graham Preston. He did feature on this site but I can’t find the thread. He is not a traditionalist. He is not even a Catholic. Here is his website: http://protect-life.info/articles/

    His approach is quite different from the Catholic organisation Helpers of God’s Precious Infants, who pray the Rosary usually across the road from abortuaries, while just one or a few of the group are there in the hope of approaching women and offering them help. Many lives have been saved by these people, abortion clinics have had to close because of the effect of their just being there.

    Gerard J Keane, who died in 2007 (may he rest in peace), was king-hit in front of a clinic in Melbourne. He went back to the ground and the back of his head hit a concrete step. He was hospitalised and in danger of death and finally recovered. If the name is familiar to anyone here, he is the author of the books, “Creation Rediscovered – Evolution and the Importance of the Origins Debate”, and “Special Creation Rediscovered – Catholicism and the Origins Debate”.  

    The third person’s name I have forgotten at the moment but I saw a video of this frail elderly gentleman being smashed in the face and flying to the ground. It was a horrible thing to see. I have written to a friend to find out what has become of him and if there were charges laid against his assailant.

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    The second two were Catholics.

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    We're Were you a Traditionalist Catholic when you prayed in front of the abortion mill?

    I identify myself as a Catholic.

    Here is an extract from a newsletter I produced back in March 2007:
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    On Saturday 24th February 2007, I had hoped to rise at 6 a.m. so that I could make my way by two buses to join my daughter XXXXX, along with other Helpers of God’s Precious Infants who witness, pray and counsel outside the abortion “clinic” at Salisbury Road Camperdown between 8 a.m. and 10 a.m. each Saturday.

    I made my way to the “clinic”, greeted the counselors along the front of the building, then crossed the road to join the pray-ers. There was a couple with their two little boys and two other women; they were just starting the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Rosary. An elderly man sat on a small fold-up stool praying alone apart from the group. We all faced towards the front of the clinic.

    We finished praying the Sorrowful Mysteries; the lone man got in his car and drove away. We began to pray the Precious Blood Way of the Cross. At about the 7th station, a car abruptly pulled into the space he had left in front of us; there was a small boy in the back seat and a young woman jumped out and stood in front of us and began to verbally lambaste us: Who do we think we are? What rights have we to make people feel bad? Etcetera.

    My eyes met hers, so I beckoned her to come with me, away from the praying group, in the hope of engaging her in conversation. She responded to my call.

    She asked me: What makes you people think that you have all the answers to all the world’s problems?

    I assured her that we certainly didn’t believe that, but that we were very concerned that in that building over the road babies are being killed. This she knew already, of course, but at least she heard the message that, for some people at least, it is a source of anguish. I felt that she took that on board, strange as it might seem to her.  

    I also asked her how she would react if she knew that the little boy sitting in the back seat of her car was going to be killed. Wouldn’t she react in some way? She didn’t answer me directly, but she said: I just know that whatever I say, you are going to have an answer ready. I agreed with her on that, at least I hoped that I would have. It seemed to be almost a source of irritation to her that we people are so sure of ourselves. She seemed to regret that she did not have that surety.

    But, she said, when women come here they have already decided what is best for them.

    I disagreed: it is often the case that the child’s father or grandparents have made a firm decision with which she is not entirely in agreement, and sometimes she is forced into it. Sometimes she feels that she has no other choice and we are there to give her a choice, that she has up till now been denied. We are prepared to do anything to help that woman to be able keep her baby.

    I explained that, although it is true the majority of women refuse to accept our offers of help, even if one woman should turn back and save her child, all our efforts will be worthwhile. I explained there are many women who want nothing more than to be offered a last minute reprieve from going through what will be undoubtedly the worst experience of their lives. She agreed with me that no woman wants to have an abortion.

    She said, it is a terrible thing to have an unwanted pregnancy. I said that for every pregnancy there are difficulties of one kind or another; but at the end you will have the joy of a new life, whereas at the end of an abortion you will have only emptiness and grief.

    Many women do not suffer at all after abortion, she said. I said that although for many women, abortion may give an immediate feeling of relief, there are old ladies in nursing homes who go in search of their babies whom, deep down, they have never forgotten. That’s true, she said; you never forget.

    But, she said, some women ѕυιcιdє because of their situation.

    No, it’s not true that ѕυιcιdє is a problem for women who go ahead with a difficult pregnancy. Actually it is women who have abortions who are prone to ѕυιcιdє and all sorts of other mental health problems. The research bears it out without a doubt; though that research is not readily published. Then I told her about the recent NZ study by a so-called “pro-choice” researcher. (See: Abortion Causes Mental Disorders: New Zealand Study May Require Doctors to Do Fewer Abortions  http://www.afterabortion.info/news/Fergusson.htm )

    She seemed to mind less that we “had all the answers” at least to her questions on abortion.

    You are lucky to have the Faith, were her last words to me. There was a prayer sheet lying on the ground, which she graciously picked up and handed to Jane, who commented to me later that she had left smiling.

    Please remember to pray for “Donna” that she will continue to seek and to find, and that the door of Faith (and forgiveness?) will be opened for her.

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    NE1 pray in front of Abortion Mills?
    « Reply #8 on: December 05, 2015, 03:58:25 AM »
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  • Thanks for the stories, Nadir.  That's terrible, what happened to those three guys.  

    I've never done the whole pray-in-front-of-an-abortion-clinic thing.  I don't know why.  Maybe I've never gotten around to it?  I dunno.  But at present, my interest is focused on it.  

    Is it a common thing for Catholics to do this?  Is it considered a fringe thing to do?  I just don't know.


    (Please excuse the autocorrect in the previous post.)

    Anyone else here do this sort of thing?  What caused you to do it initially?  Was it a whim?  Curiosity?  A genuine compelling drive?











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    « Reply #9 on: December 05, 2015, 08:23:40 AM »
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  • Laramie, you ought to look up a Pregnancy Counseling Center in your area and give them a call, asking if there is anyone you can talk to about helping out with prayers in front of a baby killing center.  They actually use that term, because it is honest.  

    You will find that the regulars who meet are open, dedicated and cheerful servants of God who are only doing this for the good of the defenseless victims, most of whom they will never see or meet in this life.  Nobody is going to abuse your good intentions, and you will learn things that you will never read in the local papers or see on TV.  

    And you'll probably find that keeping your mind on the mysteries of the Rosary while you're praying them is a lot easier than it usually is, which is a great personal benefit for those who have a problem meditating on the Mysteries.
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    « Reply #10 on: December 05, 2015, 10:30:29 AM »
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  • I've done it a few times with some folks from the SSPX group down in Corpus Christi.  It is a good thing to do.  I've heard stories from people who have claimed how much this helps.  I guess there are miraculous survival stories and other tidbits that seem to be Heaven's encouragement of this.  Maybe someone can dig some of these stories up and post here for us.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 05, 2015, 08:04:35 PM »
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    Thanks for the stories, Nadir.  That's terrible, what happened to those three guys.  

    I've never done the whole pray-in-front-of-an-abortion-clinic thing.  I don't know why.  Maybe I've never gotten around to it?  I dunno.  But at present, my interest is focused on it.  

    Is it a common thing for Catholics to do this?  Is it considered a fringe thing to do?  I just don't know.

    Anyone else here do this sort of thing?  What caused you to do it initially?  Was it a whim?  Curiosity?  A genuine compelling drive?


    It's certainky not a common thing for Catholics and definitely fringe. I did it from a compelling drive.

    Neil has a good suggestion there. I recommend the Helpers approach. It's tried and tested over a long time now. Have a look at http://www.helpersbrooklynny.org/ and go to the Prayers Sites pages. I hope you find one near you.

    There is a book by Wanda Skowranska (also published in German) https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Roadside_Contemplatives.html?id=MNjbPQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
    You can most likely get it through the Helpers or Family Life International.
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    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2015, 03:48:20 AM »
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    I've done it a few times with some folks from the SSPX group down in Corpus Christi.  It is a good thing to do.  I've heard stories from people who have claimed how much this helps.  I guess there are miraculous survival stories and other tidbits that seem to be Heaven's encouragement of this.  Maybe someone can dig some of these stories up and post here for us.


    Priests for Life is good for survival stories and other touching stories:
    http://www.priestsforlife.org/testimonies/default.aspx

    Abortion survivors:  http://www.theabortionsurvivors.com/

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    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2015, 05:04:31 PM »
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  • Priest for Life?

    I said rosaries, many in front of the clinics in the Phoenix area in the 1990's, til I found out that the dioceses was putting ads in their catholic diocese paper.  The ads were, Baby AZ, Pregnancy and Breastfeeding Hotline.  I knew of this in 1987, put together by State and Federal gov't.  Imagine calling that number and asking if they refer for abortion and the lady on the other  side says, "Why ,yes!"  What is your zip code?

    Imagine a shock like that!  Remember that Catholic  Charities are for abortion as well as other programs.  There are a list of many groups that are for  abortion under United Way and United Way is supported by your Bishops and priests, just like Priest for Life?! Yes.

    Now, don't get me wrong.  I believe in Rosaries and in front of clinics, while they still are.  They will move into, inside hospitals.  Planned Parenthood will close their buildings and go to where the new health care wants them, where the money is.
    Can we pray in front of hospitals? Hospitals will be for death, including end-of-life? Yes.  Hospitals are to set themselves up for one person per room.  You will not see 2 to a room.  Not supposed to be.

    But, I especially am against Bishops and clergy who use the rosaries in front of the clinics to make them appear to be Pro-Llife.  Those are lies to the people.  This is what happened in Phoenix and around the nation.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 06, 2015, 11:21:57 PM »
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    Priest for Life?

    ...  Remember that Catholic  Charities are for abortion as well as other programs.  There are a list of many groups that are for  abortion under United Way and United Way is supported by your Bishops and priests, just like Priest for Life?! Yes.


    Are you saying that Priests for Life support United Way? When are you going to back up your accusations against Priests for Life which some docuмentation?
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