Author Topic: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes (Read 17508 times)

Quid Retribuam Domino · « **Reply #35 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:25:06 AM »

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Once again, who is citing Tradidi as an authority??
It is the opinion of Lefebvre and the authorities mentioned in Fr. Lafitte's letter (and the post which follows) which are the basis of the skepticism about the Mystical City of God.
PS: Benedict XIII appears to have revoked his condemnation and authorized reading of the work. What I find interesting is that supporters of Valtorta and Agreda (as well as Sr. Faustina, I might add) all invoke faulty translations and injustice as the cause of temporary condemnations, which is interesting to me.

Give links to the citations of the condemnations. It being stated on Tradidi isn't really a citation.

Don't lump suspect Valtorta and fraudster Faustina with Agreda. We're strictly talking about the Mystical City of God, not the Poem and "Divine Mercy" writings that are littered with filth and goofy errors that laid the groundwork for Communion in the hand and other sacrilegious novelties, and was a psychological framework to derive the "spirit" of Vatican II that essentially teaches God's "Divine Mercy" will save everyone - keep sinning because God's love is bigger than your sins - you're saved anyway.

Btw, +Lefebvre also taught that non-Catholics can make it to Heaven, and He didn't believe in the urgency of water baptism for people interested in converting to the Catholic Faith while they lived in potentially unstable, life-threatening environments. He was wrong there, and he was wrong about the City of God.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:35:49 AM »

Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 31, 2018, 08:25:06 AM

Give links to the citations of the condemnations. It being stated on Tradidi isn't really a citation.

Don't lump fraudster Faustina and suspect Valtorta with Agreda. We're strictly talking about the Mystical City of God, not the Poem and "Divine Mercy" writings that are littered with filth and goofy errors that laid that groundwork for Communion in the hand and other sacrilegious novelties, and was a psychological framework to derive the "spirit" of Vatican II that essentially teaches God's "Divine Mercy" will save everyone - keep sinning because God's love is bigger than your sins - you're saved anyway.

Btw, +Lefebvre also taught that non-Catholics can make it to Heaven, and He didn't believe in the urgency of water baptism for people interested in converting to the Catholic Faith while they lived in potentially unstable environments. He's wrong there, and he's wrong about the City of God.

Tradidi itself gives the citations for Fr. Lafitte’s and ABL’s articles/conferences.
Archbishop Lefebvre’s advice suffices for me, but apparently not for you.
But if you will not accept Lefebvre’s (and the old SSPX’s) caution, why would you accept mine?
If you want to prove Lefebvre’s caution is unfounded, then I turn your injunction back upon you, and say “get to work.”
Like the Valtortists and Faustinists, I think there is a certain percentage of Agredists who will be predetermined to defend their position regardless of whatever argumentation can be raised against the book.

Quid Retribuam Domino · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2018, 08:39:42 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on December 31, 2018, 08:35:49 AM

Tradidi itself gives the citations for Fr. Lafitte’s and ABL’s articles/conferences.
Archbishop Lefebvre’s advice suffices for me, but apparently not for you.
But if you will not accept Lefebvre’s (and the old SSPX’s) caution, why would you accept mine?
If you want to prove Lefebvre’s caution is unfounded, then I turn your injunction back upon you, and say “get to work.”
Like the Valtortists and Faustinists, I think there is a certain percentage of Agredists who will be predetermined to defend their position regardless of whatever argumentation can be raised against the book.

That's what I thought, you have no credible citation. You can't even post a link to the Index showing it's on there.

The Index (1948) that I posted doesn't have the City of God on there, unless I missed it.

"whatever argumentation can be raised against the book" ... LOL, yeah, the only "argumentation" that can be raised against the book is that the details of the lives of Blessed Mary and Jesus are "too concrete". The criticisms don't mention any of the actual details. Where's the heresy? Where's the scandal? Give us some details. They've already been outlined for decades in Valtorta's and Faustina's productions.

Get to work.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2018, 09:08:10 AM »

Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 31, 2018, 08:39:42 AM

That's what I thought, you have no credible citation. You can't even post a link to the Index showing it's on there.

The Index (1948) that I posted doesn't have the City of God on there, unless I missed it.

"whatever argumentation can be raised against the book" ... LOL, yeah, the only "argumentation" that can be raised against the book is that the details of the lives of Blessed Mary and Jesus are "too concrete". The criticisms don't mention any of the actual details. Where's the heresy? Where's the scandal? Give us some details. They've already been outlined for decades in Valtorta's and Faustina's productions.

Get to work.

The book was not on the Index in 1948 (I already mentioned that it was Indexed in 1681, and then subsequently “rehabilitated”);
It was condemned by 102 of 150 doctors of theology at the Sorbonne, and provided the link where this info is contained in the 2nd post of this thread, as well as the reasons for that condemnation;
It was also mentioned in the same first two posts of this thread (which contained links to each article) that not only was the cause for canonization of Mary of Agreda definitely halted because of this book, but also that even Cardinal Ratzinger and the conciliarists take issue with it.
Bishop Tissier de Mallerais also sponsored and endorsed a book in 1993 by a French SSPX priest cautioning the faithful against these books.

If in order to clear the Mystical City, you wish to dispute the veracity of the citations or claims of these authors, please do so.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2018, 09:34:04 AM »

This would be problematic for me, if true.

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