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Author Topic: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes  (Read 17027 times)

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Re: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2018, 10:47:03 PM »
Looks like Tradidi (from whence the OP was taken) has become aware of this thread, and made this response to Nadir:
"Nadir’s error is to assume that the author was referring to “because I know not man” when he concluded that “she [Our Lady] did not know everything”. However, that assumption is wrong. The author of this article (Fr. Jean-Luc Lafitte) was referring to the fact that Our Lady answered “How shall this be done” to the Angel Gabriel. In other words, Our Lady did not know how the Incarnation was to be done. This clearly disproves Maria Valtorta’s claim that Our Lady had infused knowledge."
https://forum.tradidi.com/t/correction-for-nadir-on-cathinfo/265
I presume Tradidi meant to say "This clearly disproves Mary of agreda's claim that Our Lady had infused knowledge."

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Re: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2018, 11:08:25 PM »
I presume Tradidi meant to say "This clearly disproves Mary of agreda's claim that Our Lady had infused knowledge."
The confusion is caused by Nadir attempting defend Mary of Agreda's "Mystical City of God" by confounding with that work a quote actually contained within Valtorta's "Poem of the Man God."
In other words, it is Valtorta, and not Agreda, who contended that Mary had infused knowledge from the age of 3, and Fr. Lafitte subsequently proving such could not be the case (and not by observing the "because I have not known man" phrase which Nadir seizes upon, but by the "how shall this be done" (i.e., the Incarnation) phrase.
If Mary possessed infused knowledge, than the means by which our Lord would become incarnate coud not have been unknown to her (as it clearly was).
So in summary, Nadir has made two mistakes:
1) She confounded Agreda's "Mystical City of God" with Valtorta's "Poem of the Man-God;"
2) She thought Fr. Lafitte was referring to the "because I know not man" phrase to make his point, when he was actually referring to "how shall this be done" (i.e. the Incarnation, the means of which Mary was ignorantuntil Gabriel told her).


Re: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2018, 11:12:20 PM »
Commentaries of Luke 1, 34


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Re: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2018, 11:14:24 PM »
Commentaries of Luke 1, 34


I don't get it: You are defending Valtorta?

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Re: Mystical City of God: Burned and Condemned by Popes
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2018, 11:27:57 PM »
I don't get it: You are defending Valtorta?
No, I am not. Far from.
Just wanted to post what is the correct understanding of that passage Luke 1, 34. It has nothing to do with the "infused knowledge" of Our Lady.