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My Sedevacantist Friend
« on: October 14, 2021, 08:37:38 PM »
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  • I hope my sedevacantist friend forgives me. He hung up on me and hasn't called back. He used to call me almost every day, sometimes twice. I have to tell him that he is a heretic for believing that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs cannot be forgiven. But I fear that he will just think I am a heretic and never talk to me again. Even if I show him the penitentiary that says that a thousand years ago ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs were allowed to go to confession and would have their sins forgiven even if they had to fast for fifteen years.


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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2021, 08:53:02 PM »
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  • This would be typical behaviour for a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. They thrive on melodrama. He'll be back. Just pray for him. :pray:
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 11:01:21 PM »
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  • Why are you so obsessed with this sedevacantist friend?  This is the third or fourth thread you started about this.  Tell him the truth and if he’s that much of an ass to hang up in you, he’s not worth being friends with.  Seems like a kook and someone who would be a bad influence on you.  Are you infatuated with her or him?  Almost sounds like it.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 11:44:03 PM »
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  • Cast not your pearls before swine.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #4 on: October 15, 2021, 12:00:34 AM »
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  • Cast not your pearls before swine.
    Calling sedes swine is uncalled for. IIRC the previous postings by the OP about his friend portray the friend as at best unbalanced. Have a bit of compassion for the mentally ill.


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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #5 on: October 15, 2021, 07:15:52 AM »
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  • Calling sedes swine is uncalled for. IIRC the previous postings by the OP about his friend portray the friend as at best unbalanced. Have a bit of compassion for the mentally ill.

    It's a metaphor, dummy, and this expression was given by Our Lord Himself.  It means not to bother to convince someone who's unwilling to accept the truth.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #6 on: October 15, 2021, 10:58:22 AM »
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  • It's a metaphor, dummy, and this expression was given by Our Lord Himself.  It means not to bother to convince someone who's unwilling to accept the truth.
    Thank you, I am familiar with our Lord's teaching and the concept of metaphor. Perhaps if I had added an emoticon my meaning would have been more clear.

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    Calling sedes swine is uncalled for ;).
    It was a gentle attempt to get you to rethink your oft repeated suspicion that these threads must be some kind of attempt to smear Sedevacantists. You might be correct, if you are, the OP must have some serious emotional issues which would make him someone more to be pitied than despised. 

    Taking the OP as honest, and based on the little that has been posted here and previously, it sounds to me like his friend does have physical and emotional/psychological problems. He does not sound like someone in complete control of his faculties that is refusing to hear the Gospel. With the little information that we have to go on I certainly could be wrong, but I think it's better to err on the side of charity and patience than to quit so easily, a soul might be on the line.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #7 on: October 15, 2021, 11:01:03 AM »
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  • I think about him a lot because he is my best friend. I know he has issues. But I do not want to abandon him, or have him abandon me.


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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #8 on: October 15, 2021, 11:40:56 AM »
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  • This reminds me of the "reductio ad absurdam" that is SedevacantistSingles. Are they still around?

    The idea that a regular Trad Catholic matching site wouldn't be sufficient is very funny.

    How do you date in a specifically sedevacantist way? The young couple spends the first couple dates throwing darts at a dartboard with Jorge Bergoglio's picture on it? If not, why not just say you're looking for a devout, solid Trad Catholic and leave it at that?

    This issue ALMOST makes me sympathetic with those who swing to the opposite extreme and say, "I'm just Catholic. Don't call me Trad, or anything else. I'm just a Catholic." I admire their wishing to abstract from group politics and remember what this is all about -- but with all due respect to such people, WORDS MEAN THINGS and the FACT is that the name Catholic now means a wishy-washy, sentimental and feminine, Novus Ordo, birth control using, no-more-than-3-kid having, immodestly dressing, doesn't know the Faith or Scripture, quite worldly, person.

    You can describe your children as gαy if you want to, because they're happy. And you can talk about your intercourse with the mailman yesterday. I will not. Because it doesn't matter what I think a word means -- what's more important is what 99.9% of English speakers will understand by my words. After all, that is the purpose of LANGUAGE. To transmit ideas efficiently and effectively.

    When it comes to language, the "objective truth" or "reality" is NOT what's listed in the dictionary, but rather what the majority of people understand by that word. Sorry, but that's the way it works. Unless you're in some kind of language contest where the dictionary is the last word. That is the one exception.

    Why not call yourself a Christian so people can assume you're a protestant as well?

    Just remember, when a group splits, both sides are NOT at fault. The one who adopted the new course, the new doctrines, is at fault. Nevertheless, the apostate often gets to keep the name! Archbishop Lefebvre wasn't at fault, though he had to add "Traditional" to his name. The Modernists were to blame, even though they de-facto got to keep the name Catholic. Not fair, I know, but life isn't fair.
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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #9 on: October 15, 2021, 12:19:36 PM »
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  • This issue ALMOST makes me sympathetic with those who swing to the opposite extreme and say, "I'm just Catholic. Don't call me Trad, or anything else. I'm just a Catholic." I admire their wishing to abstract from group politics and remember what this is all about -- but with all due respect to such people, WORDS MEAN THINGS and the FACT is that the name Catholic now means a wishy-washy, sentimental and feminine, Novus Ordo, birth control using, no-more-than-3-kid having, immodestly dressing, doesn't know the Faith or Scripture, quite worldly, person.

    Yep.  I'd love to be just called a Christian, named after Our Lord.  But then the heretics (and Prots in particular) came along and stole the name, so it became necessary to call ourselves Catholics, because the Prots polluted the term "Christian".  Similarly, it's no longer sufficient (in the eyes of the world) to say that you're a Catholic.  You need to say Traditional Catholic.

    In a sense, though, we have "surrendered" these terms.  We should have from the beginning refused to refer to Prots as Christians ... just called them heretics.  Similarly, we should refuse to call the Novus Ordo Catholic.  Of course, we've lost control of the narrative as the evil rulers of this world have taken it over, so this linguistic retreat has become necessary.  To this day, however, I refuse to call Prots Christians.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #10 on: October 15, 2021, 07:46:44 PM »
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  • I think about him a lot because he is my best friend. I know he has issues. But I do not want to abandon him, or have him abandon me.
    :pray: for both of you.


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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #11 on: October 15, 2021, 09:40:14 PM »
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  • Tell him that the Dimonds teach that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs can repent and be forgiven. They cover it in their docuмentary against Steven Anderson

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #12 on: October 16, 2021, 07:58:51 AM »
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  • I think about him a lot because he is my best friend. I know he has issues. But I do not want to abandon him, or have him abandon me.

    OK, but what kind of a "friend" is he really if you're afraid that he'll reject your friendship over a theological disagreement?  Not much of one.  If you can't be honest and disagree with him, then there's no friendship there.  Just seems like you're groveling to him all the time.  Are you a male or a female?  Men are capable of having disagreement while remaining friends, and not take things personally.  In fact, men even tend to grow more of a bond when they're disagreeing (aka competing) with one another ... unless the disagreement is to such a degree as to render them incompatible.  In other words, if your world views and orientations are different, then you cease to have enough in common for a friendship to endure.  Nevertheless, lesser disagreements can make a friendship stronger.  With that said, when someone is in error, you don't have an obligation to correct them if you don't believe they'll accept the correction and you have no obligations of authority over them.  But if you think that this kind of disagreement will destroy your friendship, then there's no real friendship there.  It just makes you look desperate.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #13 on: October 16, 2021, 10:14:44 AM »
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  • Tell him that the Dimonds teach that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs can repent and be forgiven. They cover it in their docuмentary against Steven Anderson

    Thank you. I will watch the video even though it is long. If the Dimonds say that it would be helpful because my Sedevacantist Friend follows the Dimonds.

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    Re: My Sedevacantist Friend
    « Reply #14 on: October 16, 2021, 10:36:19 AM »
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  • Why are you so obsessed with this sedevacantist friend?  This is the third or fourth thread you started about this.  Tell him the truth and if he’s that much of an ass to hang up in you, he’s not worth being friends with.  Seems like a kook and someone who would be a bad influence on you.  Are you infatuated with her or him?  Almost sounds like it.
    And why is it always his "sedevacantist" friend...rather than just his "friend"?