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Must one obey a hypocrite?
« on: May 01, 2013, 10:25:12 PM »
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  • Here is the situation

    Person one is given a place to live by person two who owns the home.  Person two has a strict diet.  Person one eats a varied diet.  Person two one day says "If you want to live here, you can no longer put foods that tempt me in the kitchen."

    Person one obliges for a time.  Time passes and person two of his own volition begins bringing the very foods he told person one not to bring.

    Person two sees hypocrisy and resolves to keep his varied diet on hand in the kitchen again, seeing that person two is not abiding by his own rule.

    Person two nevertheless insists person one abide by it, and say "If you don't like it find somewhere else to live."


    I realize person two is the owner of the home, but eschatologically speaking, does person two have a moral right to make such a demand on those specific terms?

    Does person one have a moral obligation to obey person two's hypocritical demand?


    Citations from Scripture, the Fathers and especially St. Thomas would be appreciated.


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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 10:32:53 PM »
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  • Just go along with what he says.  Or buy a minifridge and keep your own stuff in your own room.

    Just because someone struggles to follow a diet doesn't mean he has to accept tempting food to be brought in and eaten on a regular basis.


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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 11:38:11 PM »
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  • Render unto Caesar.........................

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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 12:11:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: Guest
    Here is the situation

    Person one is given a place to live by person two who owns the home.  Person two has a strict diet.  Person one eats a varied diet.  Person two one day says "If you want to live here, you can no longer put foods that tempt me in the kitchen."

    Person one obliges for a time.  Time passes and person two of his own volition begins bringing the very foods he told person one not to bring.

    Person two sees hypocrisy and resolves to keep his varied diet on hand in the kitchen again, seeing that person two is not abiding by his own rule.

    Person two nevertheless insists person one abide by it, and say "If you don't like it find somewhere else to live."


    I realize person two is the owner of the home, but eschatologically speaking, does person two have a moral right to make such a demand on those specific terms?

    Does person one have a moral obligation to obey person two's hypocritical demand?


    Citations from Scripture, the Fathers and especially St. Thomas would be appreciated.

    Person two is the owner and has every right to make the rules of the house.
    "It is obedience I desire, not h0Ɩ0cαųsts."

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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 08:09:11 AM »
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  • Well if I was to rephrase this, it would go something like this:

    Person two allows person one to live in his home in order to treat person one like a doormat (perhaps not consciously). Person one is initially unaware of this, but is later surprised he is being treated as a doormat.

    The solution for person one is to refuse to be treated as a doormat and say something about it. The solution for person two is to chill and get a bit of humility, get off his high horse and learn some common charity.

    Both lack humility: person one underestimates his worth, and person two overestimates his worth.


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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 12:17:52 AM »
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  • No, the solution is for person one to get his own place and eat whatever the hell he likes.

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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 12:34:38 AM »
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    Well if I was to rephrase this, it would go something like this:

    Person two allows person one to live in his home in order to treat person one like a doormat (perhaps not consciously). Person one is initially unaware of this, but is later surprised he is being treated as a doormat.

    The solution for person one is to refuse to be treated as a doormat and say something about it. The solution for person two is to chill and get a bit of humility, get off his high horse and learn some common charity.

    Both lack humility: person one underestimates his worth, and person two overestimates his worth.

    In this case person should look for another place to live.

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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 11:56:53 AM »
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    Well if I was to rephrase this, it would go something like this:

    Person two allows person one to live in his home in order to treat person one like a doormat (perhaps not consciously). Person one is initially unaware of this, but is later surprised he is being treated as a doormat.

    The solution for person one is to refuse to be treated as a doormat and say something about it. The solution for person two is to chill and get a bit of humility, get off his high horse and learn some common charity.

    Both lack humility: person one underestimates his worth, and person two overestimates his worth.


    Tough luck, freeloader.  Pay for your own house and then make your own rules.
    Thank God someone has taken you in and don't look a gift horse in the mouth.


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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 05:38:36 PM »
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  • I see nobody has addressed one of the original questions.

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    eschatologically speaking, does person two have a moral right to make such a demand on those specific terms?


    No, because it is hypocrisy and person one has every right to point this out.

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    Both lack humility: person one underestimates his worth, and person two overestimates his worth.


    Since when does underestimating one's worth constitute pride or lack of humility?

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    Must one obey a hypocrite?
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 01:01:32 AM »
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  • If the house owner is trying to diet for health reasons, just because he/she gives into temptation and buys foods on the no-no list sometimes, does not mean as a guest you have leave to defy the rules set down by the owner, bringing in even more goodies to make temptation all the worse. It is bad enough if they are undermining themselves, without a guest adding to the problem. (especially after specifically being asked not to!)