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Describe your family life

Male, happily married
Male, unhappily married OR married to a non-Catholic
Male, unmarried, expect to marry
Male, unmarried, do not expect to marry
Female, happily married
Female, unhappily married OR married to a non-Catholic
Female, unmarried, expect to marry
Female, unmarried, do not expect to marry
Male, widowed
Female, widowed

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Re: Poll: Describe yourself/family life
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2023, 12:14:53 PM »
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  • I suppose I’m statistically abnormal since I was widowed at age 43. I have 9 children; youngest is 3. I’m curious to read the original post that inspired this poll to possibly understand the motives behind it…
    This is the thread referenced in the OP
    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/the-psychology-of-celibacy/msg891587/#msg891587

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    Re: Poll: Describe yourself/family life
    « Reply #31 on: July 28, 2023, 10:58:28 PM »
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  • If your youngest is only three, are you open in the future to marrying?  My sympathy to you and your husband. 
    I’m certainly open to whatever God has in store. If remarrying is His Will for me (and my young family), I trust He will send a good candidate. 
    This is the thread referenced in the OP
    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/the-psychology-of-celibacy/msg891587/#msg891587

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    Re: Poll: Describe yourself/family life
    « Reply #32 on: July 29, 2023, 10:57:46 AM »
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  • Wow, 64 votes. I'd say that's a decent sample. CI polls often struggle to get 30 votes. 

    One limitation of the poll is that we don't know the activity levels of the voters. How many are active users (defining "active" users is difficult too) and how many are lurkers who never post? 

    Another limitation is that of the married, there is no way to distinguish between newlyweds and couples in their 70s whose children have long since grown and left the home (not to mention all of the options in between these extremes: middle aged couples without children, young couples with MANY children, etc.).

    No poll is perfect, but I think this one is decent. 

    I have long wondered about the nature of online communities, and of tradcat ones in particular. 
    I've had my suspicions for a while that at least so far as active userbases are concerned, forums select for lonely people. The poll results confirm this, although the picture is not as bleak as I anticipated. *Almost* half of the voters described themselves as happily married (which I would code as "not lonely"-- obviously it's not THAT simple since married couples might be lonely otherwise, and single people might have lots of Catholic friends, but I think it's safe to say the happily married are significantly less lonely in general). But about 40% of voters are unmarried, and the majority of these do not expect to marry. There are more people who are in unhappy/nonCatholic marriages than I was expecting. In toll, slightly more than half of the userbases is not currently happily married.

    Having a family is of course the most stable and natural way to protect against loneliness. Not having one, or having one where the spousal relationship is corrupted or fundamentally deficient in some way, is one of the heaviest crosses one can bear. As I mentioned the poll was motivated by another thread about the psychological nature of Celibacy (by which the author really just means being unmarried).

    It only makes sense that virtual communities, especially in our all but completely anti-God modern age, would attract "refugees" seeking respite from the Godlessness in which they are immersed. This is not to say that places like CI are nothing more than a psychological cope; they're definitely more than that. Nor is there even anything wrong with seeking out virtual Catholic interaction if/when one finds it lacking in real life. But I think it's worth acknowledging a motivation that brings us all together. I actually think a lot of the animosity one finds on forums might be due precisely to the fact that many users, animated by a desire to compensate for a lack of Catholic solidarity, become all the more irate when their place of respite has people they don't see eye to eye with on some issue or another. It exacerbates the problem they're trying to solve in the first place. And of course, if they really are lonely, they're probably at a greater risk of impatience anyways. 

    Just some thoughts, God bless. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Poll: Describe yourself/family life
    « Reply #33 on: July 29, 2023, 08:25:41 PM »
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  • This poll has had an interesting effect on me. I'm glad you posted it & that I decided to participate. I'm typically a member that lurks in the background but never posts. I hadn't been on in quite a while as daily life doesn't allow much down time for this widow. Anyhow, I have always found the idea of being able to poll tradcats intriguing, especially on the subject of marriage. 

    After several years of marriage, I began to wonder if others found it as difficult as I did & if others were also putting up a front, pretending all was well. The more time passed & the more I learned, the more issues I wished I could get the inside scoop about; be a fly on the wall so to say. I suspect a high percentage of Trads would say they are happily married because external appearances don't allow us to admit otherwise. Add to that a typical lack of self-awareness & naivete about fallen human nature in general, and we have a perfect storm for generational dysfunction! People are "happy" so long as certain things aren't discussed. Everyone just accepts (and makes excuses for) volatile or disgruntled family members and families fall into patterns of avoidance & constant business to ensure distraction from any real issues being addressed. And the list just wouldn't be complete without a dose of good ol' manipulation & guilt tripping!

    You probably think I'm just some random crazy lady ranting (you're right!) & that my post is off topic. However, I'll try to tie at least some of it together...

    As it relates to loneliness, I suspect there's a fair amount of "grass is greener" syndrome amongst both married and unmarried. Many married wish they were single again and the unwed wish they could find their "perfect" mate. Truth be told, marriage is a process of personal sanctification & there is no such thing as perfect! God's plan is about using marriage to perfect individual souls, not provide souls with a "perfect" partner. Happiness is a choice, not something that comes because everything is the way we want it to be, and it stems from gratitude. Most people in my experience, blame their unhappiness (or worse yet, deny they're unhappy!) on external circuмstances or other people, instead of recognizing it's an internal spiritual problem. I can't resist throwing in one of my favorite quotes: It's not happy people who are grateful, but grateful people who are happy.

    I contend that people are less and less prepared to embrace marriage as God intends it and the proof is in the state of our families. I contend that tradcat families are not much less broken than the rest of the world, we're just mostly too proud to admit it & see it for what it is. Other interesting polls might investigate things like unwed mothers/shotgun weddings, affairs, divorce, pornography use, etc, etc, amongst Trads... I think we might be shocked to learn the truth if we let ourselves face it. I believe in general, we are doing a tremendous disservice to society as a whole, by training our youth to perpetuate dysfunction. The Catholic youth of today is less able than ever to step up & embrace the self-mortification married life requires yet they are encouraged to think of nothing but finding a mate starting in early adolescence. A "happy marriage" requires 2 sincere Christian souls seeking God's Will, not their own selfish agenda. Our modern kids, even from our best Trad families, are trained to expect instant gratification & suffer an inflated opinion of self. Not to mention no small amount of entitlement! Now, I'm not saying there aren't any truly good marriages or families. I'm just saying we have a lot more struggles than we like to admit & we would do better to stop avoiding the real problems...

    I believe we're all broken today no matter how good a job our parents tried to do. For many generations now, families have been suffering from Satan's attack on the fundamental unit of society, and he's attacking those with the Faith the hardest! I guess my rant is a plea to any who might read my words and feel prompted by Grace to do what they can each day to improve their own family situation by working on themselves. The more we allow God to mold us & embrace His plan for us, the more positive impact we can have on the world around us. Sometimes it's embracing marriage; sometimes it's embracing a different path...