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Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2020, 09:28:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 02, 2020, 09:17:00 AM

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    From the MHF Monastery  https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/where-to-receive-sacraments/#.X56_z5CSnD4BUSTED!
    See, I was right.

    I believe they make a distinction between going to Mass and just receiving the Sacraments.  They'll go to Confession to one of these priests if they are not "imposing" of their heresies, or do a hit-and-run reception of Communion, but they won't stay for any complete Mass.

    I think they're really hurting themselves with their excessive bitter zeal with regard to orthodoxy and their usurpation of an authority that belongs only to the Church.  There's no doubt that 50% - 75% of the priests operating just before Vatican II were heretics on the same points that the Dimonds make reference to, but a simple layman would still be entitled to assist at their Masses ... provided that the Church authorities hadn't kicked these priests out of the ministry.  It's not our job to defrock priests, and they would benefit from knowing this.  It's not our job to interrogate every priest whose Mass we might wish to assist at; if he's there in a Catholic church offering Mass per his ordinary, I am entitled to go.  If that priest is a heretic, that's between him, his ordinary, and God Himself.
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #31 on: November 02, 2020, 03:00:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 08:13:03 AM
    You’re either a true, orthodox catholic or not.  There’s no such thing as a sedevacantist Catholic vs Benevacantist Catholic.  You’re wrong mindset is slicing up Catholicism into different groups, with different beliefs.  It’s not catholic thinking.  
    Other than yourself, who qualifies as a "true, orthodox catholic"?
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #32 on: November 02, 2020, 04:26:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 08:13:03 AM
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    There’s no such thing as a sedevacantist Catholic vs Benevacantist Catholic.  You’re wrong mindset is slicing up Catholicism into different groups, with different beliefs.  It’s not catholic thinking.  
    Sedevacantist is a valid expression, meaning “the seat (of Peter) is vacant”.
    But it is ridiculous to use words like Benevacantist, which I suppose can only mean, conversely, “Bene is vacant”. Just as ridiculous as Meg’s “sedewhatever”, who, after all is a sedewhatever herself, if plenist can be included in whatever.
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #33 on: November 02, 2020, 04:40:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 08:13:03 AM
    You’re either a true, orthodox catholic or not.  There’s no such thing as a sedevacantist Catholic vs Benevacantist Catholic.  You’re wrong mindset is slicing up Catholicism into different groups, with different beliefs.  It’s not catholic thinking.  
    There is one True Faith, but these factions exist. It is not a matter of right or wrong mindset. It's realism. It is a sad thing. Scripture warns against useless factions. Yet among tradition, there's so many factions. The SSPX of Archbishop Lefebvre has (outside those within formal Conciliar structures) the Menzingen SSPX, SSPX Resistance, the Pfeifferite SSPX Resistance, SSPV, who are at least sedeprivationist and so on. The SSPV dispute the orders of the CMRI and the Thuc line, another notable sede community, with Saint Gertrude the Great of Fr Cekaka RIP, one of many independent chapels. Sedeprivationists are represented by the Institute of the Mother of God Counsel of +Guerard des Lauriers, another SSPX expellee. There is also indult societies, there is first of all the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, the Personal Prelature of St John Vianney, Institute of the Good Shepherd, and many, many others. When Benedict dies, unless somehow Francis is not followed by someone as unseemly and impious, a lot of people will have to decide if the Seat is empty.

    Anyhow, Benevacantist might be a goofy neologism, but it reflects a position where many are just about connected to what emerged after V2 by enfeebled +Ratzinger, who actually tried to clear out the pantheistic aspect of Assisi, if not its ecuмenical aspect. His effort to reconcile V2 and Catholic tradition were sincere, but appear to have failed. Anne Barnhardt and Br Alex Bugnolo are two well known examples of those connected to Conciliarism by just Benedict. Benevacantism is at least a shorthand for that.
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #34 on: November 02, 2020, 05:48:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on November 02, 2020, 04:26:27 PM
    Sedevacantist is a valid expression, meaning “the seat (of Peter) is vacant”.
    But it is ridiculous to use words like Benevacantist, which I suppose can only mean, conversely, “Bene is vacant”. Just as ridiculous as Meg’s “sedewhatever”, who, after all is a sedewhatever herself, if plenist can be included in whatever.
    Calm down, it's a portmanteau. Like "Lewinskygate". Did Monica Lewinsky have anything to do with Watergate? No. 
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #35 on: November 02, 2020, 05:57:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 04:40:04 PM
    Anyhow, Benevacantist might be a goofy neologism, but it reflects a position where many are just about connected to what emerged after V2 by enfeebled +Ratzinger, who actually tried to clear out the pantheistic aspect of Assisi, if not its ecuмenical aspect.


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    BENEDICT XVI’S HERESIES WITH PAGANISM
    BENEDICT XVI FULLY FAVORS EcuмENISM AND THE DEVIL-WORSHIPPING EcuмENICAL CEREMONIES AT ASSISI
    We’ve already covered John Paul II’s notorious ecuмenical gatherings at Assisi in 1986 where he prayed with over 130 different religious leaders of all kinds of false and demonic religions, putting the true religion on a par with idol worship.  This activity is totally condemned by Catholic Tradition.  It was denounced as apostasy by Pope Pius XI.
    Well, the train that took the false religious leaders from the Vatican to the 2002 Assisi event (the repeat performance) was described by Benedict XVI as “a symbol of our pilgrimage in history… the reconciliation of peoples and religions, a great inspiration…”[90]
    In 2006, Benedict XVI also praised the 1986 interreligious prayer meeting at Assisi.
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    Benedict XVI, Message, Sept. 2, 2006:  “This year is the 20th anniversary of the Interreligious Meeting of Prayer for Peace, desired by my venerable Predecessor John Paul II on 27 October 1986 in Assisi.  It is well known that he did not only invite Christians of various denominations to this Meeting but also the exponents of different religions.  It constituted a vibrant message furthering peace and an event that left its mark on the history of our time… attestations of the close bond that exists between the relationship with God and the ethics of love are recorded in all great religious traditions.
    “Among the features of the 1986 Meeting, it should be stressed that this value of prayer in building peace was testified to by the representatives of different religious traditions, and this did not happen at a distance but in the context of a meeting… We are in greater need of this dialogue than ever… I am glad, therefore, that the initiatives planned in Assisi this year are along these lines and, in particular, that the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue has had the idea of applying them in a special way for young people… I gladly take this opportunity to greet the representatives of other religions who are taking part in one or other of the Assisi commemorations.  Like us Christians, they know that in prayer it is possible to have a special experience of God and to draw from it effective incentives for dedication to the cause of peace.”[91]
    Benedict XVI is in favor of the apostate ecuмenical gatherings at Assisi where John Paul II prayed with leaders of all kinds of demonic and idolatrous religions – where John Paul II had the crucifixes removed from Catholic rooms so that pagans could worship false gods.  Notice that Benedict XVI says that other religions know that prayer gives them an experience of God.  This means that their religious experiences, such as worshipping false gods in prayer, are true.

    [90] Zenit.org, Zenit news report, Feb. 21, 2002.
    [91] L’Osservatore Romano, Sept. 13, 2006, p. 3.

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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #36 on: November 02, 2020, 06:07:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 04:40:04 PM
    There is also indult societies, there is first of all the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, the Personal Prelature of St John Vianney, Institute of the Good Shepherd, and many, many others. 
    I am no longer an Indulterer but the one that brought me into the fold was the Canons Regular of Saint John Cantius in Chicago, Illinois. Beautiful church and a vibrant organization they have but I could not turn a blind eye to the dumpster fire that is the NuChurch in Rome.
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #37 on: November 02, 2020, 06:08:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 05:57:25 PM
    Benedict XVI is in favor of the apostate ecuмenical gatherings at Assisi where John Paul II prayed with leaders of all kinds of demonic and idolatrous religions – where John Paul II had the crucifixes removed from Catholic rooms so that pagans could worship false gods.  Notice that Benedict XVI says that other religions know that prayer gives them an experience of God.  This means that their religious experiences, such as worshipping false gods in prayer, are true.

    [90] Zenit.org, Zenit news report, Feb. 21, 2002.
    [91] L’Osservatore Romano, Sept. 13, 2006, p. 3.
    Benedict tried to emphasis our Saviour, not as pantheistic as the Jp2 jamboree. 'Not as bad' doesn't sound the route to Salvation, but there's we are. His measures to free the Mass of Ages from the indult regime has got more Catholics thinking about what is wrong. Without that, people would have variously left the Faith for Greek orthodox schismatics, protestants, or others, or just perished with a tepid novus ordo faith.
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    Re: Most Holy Family Monastery
    « Reply #38 on: November 02, 2020, 06:15:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on November 02, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
    I am no longer an Indulterer but the one that brought me into the fold was the Canons Regular of Saint John Cantius in Chicago, Illinois. Beautiful church and a vibrant organization they have but I could not turn a blind eye to the dumpster fire that is the NuChurch in Rome.
    St John Cantius are among the few, Oratorians maybe are the others, who bravely persist with the Hermeneutic of Continuity (HoC) Extraordinary and Ordinary Form as close to the former as possible. The 'Ordinary Form' might have been half okay if Paul VI hadn't messed with priestly orders, and Sacrosanctum Concilium (SC) was taken as written rather than as something to be evaded and selectively quoted, that is, that is the liturgy be at least in Latin. However, the SC approving bishops were nearly all happy to oversea the near abolition of the Mass of Ages and Divine Office. This HoC was always, as many have noted, based on a delusion that V2 was the work of good willed men.
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