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Abbate >  Schweikert >  Rematt > Wiest

According to the sources given, Schweikert was NOT ordained or consecrated by Abbate.

 You either are having difficulty with comprehension or are being dishonest.

Abbate  >  Schweikert  >  Rematt  >  Wiest (IF that is his real name.)

I agree with Reply # 265

The line is to determine who consecrated or ordained who, to determine the lineage of orders. You're only including Abbate due to affiliation with the cult.

For the purposes of determining the "line" to Wiest, you can omit Abbate as the timeline given only lists him "consecrating" a certain Lumeno Monte in 1918.

Abbate died in 1963 and had no contact with Schweikert, and Schweikert was not in contact with this cult until 1965.
 


Schweikert  >  Rematt  >  Wiest

I would not trust the salvation of my soul to this "line".

There is no guarantee "Old Catholics" have an unbroken valid line of consecrations and ordinations. Even if the Old Catholics may have started out as an offshoot with a validly consecrated bishop, fallen away and excommunicated, there is no guarantee individuals throughout the years have maintained correct matter and form, and I would not rule out the possibly of human error.

The promise of apostolic succession, and furthermore guidance from the Holy Ghost, was only given to the Catholic Church. For the same reason I would not presume a Eastern schismatic "bishop" or "priest" to have valid orders. Yes it may have been ruled that if correct matter and form were kept that the orders would be valid, but I do not omit the possibly of human error creeping at certain points along the line, as it were.

Individuals could very well be receiving invalid sacraments from "Fr." Wiest.

PDF attached below, and also available from Academia.edu


The Journal of Old Roman Catholic Studies, Volume 1

https://www.academia.edu/43917333/The_Journal_of_Old_Roman_Catholic_Studies_Volume_1



Page 5 and 6:

Carfora established the “North American Old Roman Catholic Diocese” in Chicago after his consecration as bishop by the Prince de Landes Berghes in 1916.

After a succession of pastors, Father Zigmunt K. Vipartas was hired at Holy Cross. Vipartas was ordained a priest by Orthodox Archbishop Solovej, a soap maker in the city of Montevideo, Uruguay in 1928.6 Vipartas was consecrated by Archbishop Carfora on August 15, 1944 for the Lithuanian community and specifically the church of Holy Cross in Westville, Illinois.

(. . .)

The next episcopal activity occurred in 1958, when Bishop John Schweikert was consecrated by Archbishop Richard Arthur Marchenna assisted by Bishop Vipartas. Bishop Schweikert listed other other people as his consecrators but this appears to be the most accurate.7 Bishop Vipartas previously ordained Schweikert on June 4, 1955. Schweikert continued as Vicar General under Archbishop Marchenna after his consecration, later departing from him and joining Archbishop Cyrus Starkey of Connecticut.

Note 7: Lundberg, M. & Craig, J. (2018). Giuseppe Maria Abbate: The Italian-American Celestial Messenger. Uppsala University.
            https://magnuslundbergblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/uppsala-studies-vol-7-lundberg-craig.pdf.

I do not know if "Bishop" Vipartas "co-consecrated" Schweikert with "Archbishop" Marchenna. It's unclear if "assisted" means co-consecrated or merely helping out.




Furthermore:

http://www.rosarychurch.net/history/canonical_ORCC.html

Archbishop Mathew consecrated Rudolph de Landas Berghes as Regionary Bishop of Scotland in June of 1913.

Furthermore:

https://www.oldromancatholicchicago.org/history.html

Bishop de Landes Berghes                                1917 - 1919

Archbishop Carmel Henry Carfora                 1919 - 1958

Bishop Sigismund Vipartas                              1958 - 1961

Archbishop John E. Schweikert                       1961 - 1988

Archbishop Theodore J. Rematt                      1988 - 2016