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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #255 on: January 28, 2022, 05:31:59 PM »
Nice try Mr. Wiest.
I'm not Wiest and I am not the one editing quotes. Come back when you can be more honest.

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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #256 on: January 28, 2022, 05:40:55 PM »
Wiest is from the Abbate line.

In the link written by Abbate supporters:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

1922 (September 10):  Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.

1923:  Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.

1926:  Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.

1931:  Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.

1932:  The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.

In the link written by Abbate supporters, according to Abbate:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

“Christ entered his barbershop on Polk Street. Taking a seat in the barber’s chair, Christ asked Abbate if he knew Hebrew. Answering in the negative, Christ used Latin to state that God had chosen Abbate as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him to preach and found a church. On this occasion, Christ also ordained him to the priesthood so that he could fulfil this mission.

“he had a vision of an angel ... When Abbate walked out on the street, he was suddenly brought up in the air and realized that he was healed ...  he could have chosen to go to Heaven but decided to fulfil his mission on earth. Then God said “My divine authority is already in you”. To Abbate, it was a confirmation that be possessed divine powers, that he was omnipotent and omniscient.

“Apart from realizing that he possessed divine powers, Abbate somewhat later claimed that God had revealed that he had an extraterrestrial origin. He was born on Mars, a planet he described as sin-free and a place where the people showed great reverence for their creator. However, at the age of seven, he was run over by a chariot and died. After his death, Abbate traveled through the universe and came before God’s throne. ... an angel brought him to Isnello, where he was reborn in a Sicilian family. Later in life, Abbate made detailed drawings of Mars and its cities, and his travels through space..

“he maintained that he had caused the Spanish flu to combat human sinfulness and that he was responsible for the epidemic stalling. Moreover, he thought that if humanity only had submitted to his authority, the World War would have been halted, as he was the promised Prince of Peace."


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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #257 on: January 28, 2022, 05:57:20 PM »
If Wiest had to have Monsignor Perez show him how to offer Mass and teach him the Latin as well, there is no way he would have been ordained by the Schweikert group. 

At one point Wiest claimed he was ordained in Italy, and now he is supposed to have been ordained by the “Old Catholics”?

Something isn’t smelling right.

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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #258 on: January 28, 2022, 06:00:15 PM »
Wiest is from the Abbate line.

In the link written by Abbate supporters:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

1922 (September 10):  Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.

1923:  Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.

1926:  Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.

1931:  Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.

1932:  The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.

In the link written by Abbate supporters, according to Abbate:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

“Christ entered his barbershop on Polk Street. Taking a seat in the barber’s chair, Christ asked Abbate if he knew Hebrew. Answering in the negative, Christ used Latin to state that God had chosen Abbate as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him to preach and found a church. On this occasion, Christ also ordained him to the priesthood so that he could fulfil this mission.

“he had a vision of an angel ... When Abbate walked out on the street, he was suddenly brought up in the air and realized that he was healed ...  he could have chosen to go to Heaven but decided to fulfil his mission on earth. Then God said “My divine authority is already in you”. To Abbate, it was a confirmation that be possessed divine powers, that he was omnipotent and omniscient.

“Apart from realizing that he possessed divine powers, Abbate somewhat later claimed that God had revealed that he had an extraterrestrial origin. He was born on Mars, a planet he described as sin-free and a place where the people showed great reverence for their creator. However, at the age of seven, he was run over by a chariot and died. After his death, Abbate traveled through the universe and came before God’s throne. ... an angel brought him to Isnello, where he was reborn in a Sicilian family. Later in life, Abbate made detailed drawings of Mars and its cities, and his travels through space..

“he maintained that he had caused the Spanish flu to combat human sinfulness and that he was responsible for the epidemic stalling. Moreover, he thought that if humanity only had submitted to his authority, the World War would have been halted, as he was the promised Prince of Peace."
Traditional Catholicism does not need more pervs and nutjobs.

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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #259 on: January 28, 2022, 06:07:31 PM »
Wiest is from the Abbate line.
Flat out false, unless you are working from a different source.

Per the supplied link, Wiest is from the Schweikert line.

Schweikert was consecrated and ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church,

he then consecrated Rematt, who allegedly ordained Wiest.

The source given says that " Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration." so logically Rematt must have been ordained by someone other than Abbate.
Ergo, Wiest is not of the Abbate line.
He may be a weirdo, or much worse, but based on what has been given he is probably a priest.

1918:  Abbate consecrated Lumeno Monte a bishop.
1919 (May 2):  The New Jerusalem Catholic Church filed a Common Law Trust with the State of Illinois.
1922 (April 10):  The Sacred Heart of Jesus Church was damaged in a bomb attack.
1922 (September 10):  Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.
1923:  Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.
1925:  Abbate was released from the hospital.
1926:  The authorities investigated the New Jerusalem Catholic Church for tax evasion and seized Abbate’s crown and pectoral cross.
1926:  Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.
1931:  Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.
1932:  The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.
1933 (December):  Abbate was released from Elgin State Hospital but was soon forced to return.
1935 (June):  Abbate was released from the hospital for the last time.
1945:  The New Jerusalem Catholic Church members left their old house and moved their headquarters to the Old Irving Park area on the Northwest Side of Chicago. There they began to construct a separate church building, the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1955 (June 4):  John E. Schweikert was ordained a priest in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1958 (June 8):  Schweikert was consecrated a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1963 (October 13):  Abbate died, and Marianna Monachino, the Mother General of The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated, took over the administration of the New Jerusalem Church.
1964–1965?:  The Mother General approached the Roman Catholic Diocese of Chicago, trying to convince them to send a priest who could administer the sacraments in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16):  Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18):  Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
1969:  The last remaining member of the Order of the Celestial Messenger died.
1971:  The nuns started the Little Sisters School for disabled children.
1987:  Schweikert consecrated Theodore Rematt bishop. As Schweikert was very ill, Rematt was nominated his co-adjutor and successor.
1988 (May 29):  Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
1989:  The Cathedral of the Sacred Heart was closed.
1990-1995. A series of legal processes took place between Archbishop Rematt on one side and the nuns and part of the church members on the other.
2004:  Archbishop Rematt left the Sacred Heart Cathedral, which was closed down and sold. The parishioners were scattered.