Author Topic: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC (Read 29905 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #225 on:** January 26, 2022, 01:32:50 PM »

Message from The Board

Hi everyone - Tonight, Wednesday, Jan. 26, the school board of PPA is having a meeting in Fr. Schell Hall at 7pm - it's regarding the passing of Monsignor, his wishes, and the priests at OLHC - This meeting was originally open to only the PPA parents (who were informed this past Monday) but now, per Jennifer Martin and Marsha Odou, has been opened up to the whole parish - the board is leaving it up to word-of-mouth, thus my message here - please pass along this message to any other Parishioners that you know and who might be interested in attending - Thank you!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #226 on:** January 26, 2022, 10:43:53 PM »

To the anonymous "We" Individual:

Point well taken (regarding repetition) . However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here! My last post dealt with NEW rumors/news related to this issue that there is some sort of "Letter" available with the OLHC "School Board." My valid NEW post/commentary is relevant & appropriate to the topic of this thread and these new rumors. What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter? Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments here, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?" BTY, why are you specifically monitoring and are vitally interested in all my postings on all 3 OLHC related threads "anonymously." Tell us WHO YOU ARE!

The following commentary IS relevant to the matter at hand. "Judging by the conscienceless, cruel, base, unjust, and what I believe evil behavior of "The School Board" and their un-Catholic, uncharitable treatment of Fr. Starbuck , I do not trust nor do I believe in some dubious "hand-written" note purportedly written by Father Perez! All of a sudden, we're supposed to believe that there is suddenly this magical "proof" letter and that Father Perez turned his back and betrayed Fr. Starbuck's 15 years service at OLHC. I don't believe that Fr. Perez would have done such an injustice to Father Starbuck.

SO, I SAY -- PROVE IT BY HAVING THE LETTER EXAMINED BY A HANDWRITING EXPERT - COMPARING IT TO PAST HANDWRITING (NOT FROM AN EXAMPLE FROM OLHC'S POSSESSION) OF FR. PEREZ!!

1) By immediately publicly publishing the letter and fixing a hard copy to each OLHC bulletin for all the OLHC faithful to have in their possession!

2) By hiring an impartial, unbiased, legally notarized handwriting expert! He should be given access to this purportedly "hand-written letter" and compare it to other established past known hand written examples of Fr. Perez's handwriting!

Like St. Thomas - I DON'T BELIEVE IT until I see it! Judging by the school boards conscienceless, cruel & base behavior, why should I trust them? I believe they have broken "trust" with the OLHC faithfull!"

"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
For the things that are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of.
But all things that are reproved, are made manifest by the light; for all that
is made manifest is light.
Wherefore he saith: Rise thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead:
and Christ shall enlighten thee."

Ephesians 5:11-14

Douay Rheims Version

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #227 on:** January 26, 2022, 11:00:07 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 10:43:53 PM

To the anonymous "We" Individual:

Point well taken (regarding repetition) . However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!

I'm not the

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anonymous "We" Individual:

and I want to put this in as kindly a manner as possible.

GOOD LORD, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!
Repeating everything 3+ times is NOT going to undo any injustice that has been done so why not find a productive and helpful way to channel you're righteous indignation?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #228 on:** January 27, 2022, 06:22:46 AM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 10:43:53 PM

What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter? Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments here, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?" BTY, why are you specifically monitoring and are vitally interested in all my postings on all 3 OLHC related threads "anonymously." Tell us WHO YOU ARE!

back at 'cha...

You continue posting ad nauseum about such injustices, but you have you taken any action yourself? What you need is serious Catholic Action to save YOUR chapel, YOUR school and YOUR children.

Call the police, the attorney generals office, the CA school board, or any/all of these agencies:
https://advokids.org/protect-california-children/

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/ss/ap/

https://protectourkidsnow.org/

https://www.alliancetpc.org/

https://www.thesotolawgroup.com/estate-planning/protect-your-kids/

There are so many other organizations you can call to put the heat on olhc.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #229 on:** January 27, 2022, 08:55:26 PM »

Instead of pontificating what people should do to correct this, have YOU contacted any of these authorities yourself? The question that someone has presented to you here is "What relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed here?"

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #230 on:** January 27, 2022, 09:34:06 PM »

It was a tough split for OLHC and Fr Starbuck. A lot of people with their emotions running high, perhaps said and did things they have since regretted. Wounds were very raw after losing Fr Perez, and so unexpectedly. Deaths of loved ones are always tough on families, and parish families also.
Would it be too soon to say that Fr Starbuck is now doing quite well under the circuмstances? He is well loved, has much support from laity, to the point of needing three Masses to serve them all!
The people lost one priest, but God didn’t send them away empty handed.

Perhaps I’m already used to the catacombs that it already seems so simple to me for a priest to set up just about anywhere for a Mass.
I had the joy once of having Mass said in my own living room at home years ago. What a gift..that ONE MASS.

Let them have their chapel building, you have a priest in Fr Starbuck.

Cera · « **Reply #231 on:** January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM »

OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #232 on:** January 28, 2022, 02:34:14 PM »

Quote from: Cera on January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM

OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

Interesting.
from your link:

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1965: By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16): Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1): The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18): Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
1969: The last remaining member of the Order of the Celestial Messenger died.
1971: The nuns started the Little Sisters School for disabled children.
1987: Schweikert consecrated Theodore Rematt bishop. As Schweikert was very ill, Rematt was nominated his co-adjutor and successor.
1988 (May 29): Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

So, however weird it is, Wiest might actually be validly ordained.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #233 on:** January 28, 2022, 02:47:56 PM »

Quote from: Cera on January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM

OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #234 on:** January 28, 2022, 03:12:26 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 11:00:07 PM

"GOOD LORD, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!
So why not find a productive and helpful way to channel you're righteous indignation?"

Take a deep breath friend. Have you been taking your medication this week, lol

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #235 on:** January 28, 2022, 03:19:27 PM »

Quote from: Cera on January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM

OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

So Weist is NOT a Catholic priest.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #236 on:** January 28, 2022, 03:20:31 PM »

Quote from: Cera on January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM

OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

so he's NOT a Catholic priest.
pretry convenient he lost his driver's license....

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #237 on:** January 28, 2022, 03:22:37 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 02:47:56 PM

The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.

He isn't a Catholic priest and you should run the other way. He has no business on the grounds of OLHC in any way, shape, or form.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #238 on:** January 28, 2022, 03:54:55 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:22:37 PM

He isn't a Catholic priest and you should run the other way. He has no business on the grounds of OLHC in any way, shape, or form.

I agree with

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you should run the other way

but you may very well be incorrect about

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He isn't a Catholic priest

https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/10/13/what-is-the-old-catholic-church/

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #239 on:** January 28, 2022, 04:05:01 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:54:55 PM

I agree with
but you may very well be incorrect abouthttps://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/10/13/what-is-the-old-catholic-church/

Tell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:
Does it mean that he can have a Buddhist shrine at home?
Does it mean it is okay that he wants to be alone with altar kids without even properly identifying himself?
Does it mean it is okay to have someone in a position of authority with these suspicions be right next to the school kids without proper identification?

There is a reason why there is a thread discussing weirdness from this man claiming to be a priest.

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