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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #230 on: January 27, 2022, 09:34:06 PM »
It was a tough split for OLHC and Fr Starbuck. A lot of people with their emotions running high, perhaps said and did things they have since regretted. Wounds were very raw after losing Fr Perez, and so unexpectedly. Deaths of loved ones are always tough on families, and parish families also. 
Would it be too soon to say that Fr Starbuck is now doing quite well under the circuмstances? He is well loved, has much support from laity, to the point of needing three Masses to serve them all! 
The people lost one priest, but God didn’t send them away empty handed.

Perhaps I’m already used to the catacombs that it already seems so simple to me for a priest to set up just about anywhere for a Mass. 
I had the joy once of having Mass said in my own living room at home years ago. What a gift..that ONE MASS. 

Let them have their chapel building, you have a priest in Fr Starbuck. 

Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #231 on: January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM »
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/


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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #232 on: January 28, 2022, 02:34:14 PM »
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
Interesting.
from your link:
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1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16):  Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18):  Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
1969:  The last remaining member of the Order of the Celestial Messenger died.
1971:  The nuns started the Little Sisters School for disabled children.
1987:  Schweikert consecrated Theodore Rematt bishop. As Schweikert was very ill, Rematt was nominated his co-adjutor and successor.
1988 (May 29):  Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
So, however weird it is, Wiest might actually be validly ordained.


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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #233 on: January 28, 2022, 02:47:56 PM »
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.

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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #234 on: January 28, 2022, 03:12:26 PM »


"GOOD LORD, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!
So why not find a productive and helpful way to channel you're righteous indignation?"

Take a deep breath friend.  Have you been taking your medication this week, lol