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  • This is the gαyest thread of all-time.  

    Can we invite Poche back (or maybe Poche is the OP)?


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  • This is the gαyest thread of all-time. 

    Can we invite Poche back (or maybe Poche is the OP)?
    That's insulting to Poche.

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    « Reply #138 on: November 04, 2021, 08:56:22 PM »
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  • Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

    The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

    The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

    When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

     Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.

    Any sane Catholic should stay clear from any TFP / Harolds of the Gospel and anything related to Plinio or his Mother. 
    As far as I'm concerned the only thing they are missing is the kool-aid. And the resurrection of Plinio!







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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
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  • Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

    The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

    The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

    When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

     Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.

    What a mess! If one does not bow to Plinio as God and does not recite a Litany for his mother you're considered persona non grata, that's certain..


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
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  • Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

    The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

    The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

    When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

     Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
    Untrue.  Fr. Pfeiffer brought Fr. Norton to the USA as a "seminarian".   Fr. Norton left OLMC in short order, was ordained, then allowed at OLHC. 

    Miss Horvat told me she and TFPs John Horvat are unrelated.

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    « Reply #141 on: November 05, 2021, 06:19:08 PM »
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  • Any sane Catholic should stay clear from any TFP / Harolds of the Gospel and anything related to Plinio or his Mother.
    As far as I'm concerned the only thing they are missing is the kool-aid. And the resurrection of Plinio!




    Is that video of TFP slaves worshipping Plinio? That looks like his mother in the photo, who they also worship and to whom they pray a "litany" in a mockery of a Catholic litany.

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  • Is that video of TFP slaves worshipping Plinio? That looks like his mother in the photo, who they also worship and to whom they pray a "litany" in a mockery of a Catholic litany.
    Yep, you've described the video alright. How some take this kind of BS for Catholicism is just beyond me.


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    « Reply #143 on: November 06, 2021, 02:32:46 PM »
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  • Yep, you've described the video alright. How some take this kind of BS for Catholicism is just beyond me.
    The ultimate controlled opposition are the cults which pretend to be Catholic.

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  • Miss Horvat told me she and TFPs John Horvat are unrelated.
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    John William Horvat
    [th]Birth[/th]
    28 Oct 1921
    Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA
    [th]Death[/th]
    12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
    Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
    [th]Burial [/th]
    Leavenworth National Cemetery
    Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
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    John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com

    Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013



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    Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG
     The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
     
     I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".
     
     The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:
     
     "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.
     
     I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. "
     . . .
     Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:
     
     "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
     
     Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).
     
     In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"
     
     Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".
     
     The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.
     
     The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.
     
     Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.
     
     The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."
     
     The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.
     
     So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.
     
     We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.
     
     The twelve first slaves were:
     
     1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
     2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
     3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
     4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
     5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
     6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
     7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
      Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
     9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
     10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
     11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
     12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.
     
     
     https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/




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    Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG
     The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
     
     I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".
     
     The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:
     
     "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.
     
     I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. "
     . . .
     Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:
     
     "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
     
     Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).
     
     In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"
     
     Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".
     
     The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.
     
     The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.
     
     Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.
     
     The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."
     
     The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.
     
     So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.
     
     We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.
     
     The twelve first slaves were:
     
     1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
     2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
     3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
     4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
     5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
     6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
     7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
      Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
     9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
     10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
     11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
     12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.
     
     
     https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/







    :laugh2: This is mad stuff.









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    John William Horvat
    [th]Birth[/th]


    28 Oct 1921
    Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA
    [th]Death[/th]


    12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
    Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
    [th]Burial [/th]


    Leavenworth National Cemetery
    Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
    [th]Memorial ID[/th]


    113735296 · View Source

    John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com

    Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013






    wow.  she came across so honest...

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  • :laugh2: This is mad stuff.
    Nope. Just a bunch of lies being spread by one particular cathinfo member who has a reputation for slandering the one group responsible for bringing forth, and who is still spreading the devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.
    Now the devil doesn’t want that, so this kind of thing is to be expected.