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« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2021, 05:09:12 PM »
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  • I've only been to OLHC a few times while on vacation so I'm unfamiliar with what goes on there. I met Father Perez and have listened/watched some of his interviews. I was planning on writing him for advice on my spiritual life, but I'm questioning this after reading some negative things about OLHC here. What do you guys who are more familiar with Father Perez think about corresponding with him about spiritual direction/advice? 
    I no longer listen to ANY advice from ANY priest.  They have messed my family and me up too many times.  No theologians at sspx or any independent operation.  Not enough theologians around.  The priests can't help much except to say, "pray" and "read the lives of the saints".

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    « Reply #76 on: October 11, 2021, 05:14:28 PM »
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  • "Bishop" sebastain is not far from OLHC.
    Google him.  Avoid him and his minions.  They are not Catholic.
    Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (I know VaticanCatholic.com is not a super source but anyhow)?


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    « Reply #77 on: October 11, 2021, 08:47:41 PM »
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  • Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (I know VaticanCatholic.com is not a super source but anyhow)?
    Yes.  Not a Catholic bishop.  His lineage cut away from the Catholic Church after its leader was excommunicated to the severest degree.  They were never allowed back.

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    « Reply #78 on: October 12, 2021, 06:09:50 PM »
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  • Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (I know VaticanCatholic.com is not a super source but anyhow)?
    I agree that Dimond Bros. not a reliable source. Following your link I found this:

    "Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic.   He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic.  Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop.  This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."

    So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.

    The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.


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    « Reply #79 on: October 12, 2021, 09:49:07 PM »
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  • I agree that Dimond Bros. not a reliable source. Following your link I found this:

    "Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic.  He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic.  Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop.  This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."

    So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.

    The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.
    It is clear to me Fr. Perez doesn't vet people he allows in the sanctuary, but acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty.  


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    « Reply #80 on: October 13, 2021, 04:17:05 PM »
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  • It is clear to me Fr. Perez doesn't vet people he allows in the sanctuary, but acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. 
    Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
    A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
    Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
    1.  photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
    2.  photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
    3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
    4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
    5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
    6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
     his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
    7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
    8. Wiest has never provided any documentation of an ordination.

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    « Reply #81 on: October 13, 2021, 04:37:22 PM »
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  • Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
    A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
    Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
    1.  photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
    2.  photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
    3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
    4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
    5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
    6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
     his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
    7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
    8. Wiest has never provided any documentation of an ordination.
    Have any of you actually confronted Weist, individually or as a group, about your concerns?


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    Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
    Have you confronted him about this? Have you contacted any authorities?




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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #82 on: October 13, 2021, 05:17:32 PM »
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  • This photo of Wiest as a layman was posted 6 months prior to him showing up at OLHC claiming to be a priest.

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    « Reply #83 on: October 13, 2021, 07:54:30 PM »
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  • Here's one of weist in 2015, opening his new Buddhist junk shop.


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    « Reply #84 on: October 13, 2021, 07:55:52 PM »
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  • Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
    If he walks like a priest and talks like a priest, then he is a priest until you prove he isn't. 

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  • Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
    A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
    Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
    1.  photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
    2.  photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
    3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
    4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
    5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
    6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
     his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
    7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
    8. Wiest has never provided any documentation of an ordination.
    Time to leave.


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #86 on: October 15, 2021, 06:33:28 PM »
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  • Time to leave.
    Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.

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    « Reply #87 on: October 15, 2021, 10:42:20 PM »
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  • Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.
    Only if you can do so without harming yourself, your family, or others. 

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    « Reply #88 on: October 16, 2021, 01:37:25 PM »
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  • This was posted on another thread by Matthew, but is relevant here.

    from the beginning, Trad chapels were neither CULTS which treat members like children, nor BUSINESSES which treat them like "repeat customers they want to have" and not share with "competitors". Today, many groups have fallen into one of those traps. They are some combination of a cult and a business.

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    « Reply #89 on: October 16, 2021, 03:54:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 06:33:28 PM
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    Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.


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    Only if you can do so without harming yourself, your family, or others. 
    Is this an ally recognizing that Wiest is a snake, or is this the snake himself issuing a threat?


     

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