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Title: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 23, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
This person who claims to be a Catholic priest has a Buddhist altar in his home, complete with Buddhist altar items: a lotus flower, white candles and a mirror to communicate with ancestors (on another thread here on CI). In yesterday’s sermon he misquotes Our Blessed Mother.

What she actually said:
https://fatima.org/news-views/a-night-illumined-by-an-unknown-light/

On July 13, 1917, after showing the three shepherd children a vision of hell, Our Lady then confided to them the second part of the Secret of Fatima:
    “if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the reign of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its sins, by means of war, famine, and persecutions against the Church and of the Holy Father . . .

In the context of saying he saw the "sun dancing in the sky," “Fr.” Wiest claims that what Our Lady of Fatima said in the apparition is:
“When you see light in the sky, you will know God’s wrath is coming.” NOT
He continued “Our Lady predicted the same thing again.” NOT
(He said this happened on a feast day of Our Lady and the same day the Taliban took over Afghanistan.)
He said “Christians in Assyria have been slaughters for 5000 years.” WHAAAT?
See it for yourself, starting at 32:53  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z67ao25bgu8

Very sad that "Msgr." Perez will not deal with this.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 23, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
This person who claims to be a Catholic priest has a Buddhist altar in his home, complete with Buddhist altar items: a lotus flower, white candles and a mirror to communicate with ancestors (on another thread here on CI). In yesterday’s sermon he misquotes Our Blessed Mother.

What she actually said:
https://fatima.org/news-views/a-night-illumined-by-an-unknown-light/

On July 13, 1917, after showing the three shepherd children a vision of hell, Our Lady then confided to them the second part of the Secret of Fatima:
    “if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the reign of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its sins, by means of war, famine, and persecutions against the Church and of the Holy Father . . .

In the context of saying he saw the "sun dancing in the sky," “Fr.” Wiest claims that what Our Lady of Fatima said in the apparition is:
“When you see light in the sky, you will know God’s wrath is coming.” NOT
He continued “Our Lady predicted the same thing again.” NOT
(He said this happened on a feast day of Our Lady and the same day the Taliban took over Afghanistan.)
He said “Christians in Assyria have been slaughters for 5000 years.” WHAAAT?
See it for yourself, starting at 32:53  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z67ao25bgu8

Very sad that "Msgr." Perez will not deal with this.
Nor will he deal with the young man who believes himself to be a Pfeiffer "priest" who was allowed to say his first "mass" at OLHC.
Sad.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 23, 2021, 06:20:18 PM
"Msgr" Perez somewhat tainted himself by becoming a "monsignor."  Additionally, one of the new "priests" is from his parish.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 25, 2021, 04:46:09 PM
I hear that "Fr." Colletti is hanging around Garden Grove again.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 01:23:48 PM
This Mr. Michael Wiest, NOT a priest, sure looks like the "Fr." Michael Wiest now at OLHC (the one who refuses to say where or when or by whom he was "ordained" and who refuses to show his drivers license.)

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg (https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg)

Man is photo is holding rhubard and the article quotes him saying
“He’s got the best rhubarb. I buy from him every year,” said customer Michael Wiest.

https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html (https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html)



Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
This Mr. Michael Wiest, NOT a priest, sure looks like the "Fr." Michael Wiest now at OLHC (the one who refuses to say where or when or by whom he was "ordained" and who refuses to show his drivers license.)

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg (https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg)

Man is photo is holding rhubard and the article quotes him saying
“He’s got the best rhubarb. I buy from him every year,” said customer Michael Wiest.

https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html (https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html)

How do you know the man in the photo isn't a priest?  Is it impossible for priests to hold rhubarb???  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 03:24:08 PM
I looked at Harbor Country News, the same article that showed a photo of Mr. Michael Weist and found another article linked below. Mr. Michale Wiest owned an antique store in Three Oaks which specialized in ancient Chinese antiques, including a budda. On the photo of the Scottish man, use the right symbol to see the photo of Weist, the antique Chinese screen and antique budda. The antique screen and antique budda are different than the ones in the home of "Fr." Michael Wiest who has a budda altar in his home, complete with the "sacred" mirror to communicate with the dead, the "sacred" lotus flower and the "sacred" white candles, all of which are traditional on a buddhist altar.





THREE OAKS — The new Eclipse shop at 11 South Elm St. in Three Oaks is full of surprises.
Owner Michael Wiest Wiest said Eclipse features “antiques from the 18th Century up until the mid-20th Century, and beyond” as well as contemporary art.
One of the highlights inside the shop is a nine-foot tall, eight-panel Coromandel Chinese screen from the 19th century (probably around 1840).
. . .
“So it’s almost 300 years old, and in the original condition,” he said.
Out front there’s a large mid-19th Century Chinese Lotus Pot that Wiest said was used by wealthy families to display coy fish in their gardens. Made of solid bronze, he said it took four people to move the 500- to 600-pound pot.
. . .
“I have five storage units just filled with stuff, so it will be changing all the time,” Wiest noted.


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 03:32:32 PM
For those who have not seen Mr. Wiest in person, go to 35:57 onward when he momentarily move away from microphone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI-LOW2wS9A&feature=emb_rel_pause
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 03:35:02 PM
I think you were trying to post the one earlier in the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z67ao25bgu8
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 06:37:44 PM
It does look like the same Michael Wiest

From article and photo in the Harbor Country News that was posted on this thread, the article says

For more information, contact Wiest at (623) 295-1197

anyone can use reverse address lookup to find more info
This is the result of a reverse look up on  (623) 295-1197
https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)

Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..

Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com


Bacchanale | Definition of Bacchanale by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bacchanale
Bacchanale definition is - a ballet whose dances are marked by voluptuousness or pagan abandon.


That is an odd name for the email of Michael Wiest, purportedly a priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 09:30:33 PM
It does look like the same Michael Wiest

From article and photo in the Harbor Country News that was posted on this thread, the article says

For more information, contact Wiest at (623) 295-1197

anyone can use reverse address lookup to find more info
This is the result of a reverse look up on  (623) 295-1197
https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)

Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..

Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com


Bacchanale | Definition of Bacchanale by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bacchanale
Bacchanale definition is - a ballet whose dances are marked by voluptuousness or pagan abandon.


That is an odd name for the email of Michael Wiest, purportedly a priest.
According to michigan voter info:
12 October 2020 Michael Norman Wiest was born in 1964. His address on his voting record was 370 Welch Rd in Northville, Michigan 48167 United States of America.

2 March 2020 Same as above.

1 October 2019 Same as above.

15 January 2019 Same as above.


12 October 2020
LAST NAME:WIEST
FIRST NAME:MICHAEL
MIDDLE NAME:NORMAN
SUFFIX:
BIRTH YEAR:1964
SEX:M
REGISTRATION DATE:11062018
HOUSE NUMBER CHARACTER:
RESIDENCE STREET NUMBER:370
HOUSE SUFFIX:
PRE-DIRECTION:
STREET NAME:WELCH
STREET TYPE:RD
SUFFIX DIRECTION:
RESIDENCE EXTENSION:
CITY:NORTHVILLE
STATE:MI
ZIP:48167
MAIL ADDRESS 1:
MAIL ADDRESS 2:
MAIL ADDRESS 3:
MAIL ADDRESS 4:
MAIL ADDRESS 5:
VOTER ID:780002172
COUNTY CODE:63
COUNTY NAME:OAKLAND
JURISDICTION_CODE:58980
JURISDICTION_NAME:NORTHVILLE CITY
WARD:
SCHOOL DISTRICT CODE:25980
SCHOOL DISTRICT NAME:NORTHVILLE PUBLIC SCHOOLS
STATE HOUSE DISTRICT CODE:038
STATE HOUSE DISTRICT NAME:38th District
STATE SENATE DISTRICT CODE:15
STATE SENATE DISTRICT NAME:15th District
US CONGRESS DISTRICT CODE:11
US CONGRESS DISTRICT NAME:11th District
COUNTY COMMISSIONER DISTRICT CODE:6309
COUNTY COMMISSIONER DISTRICT NAME:9th District
VILLAGE DISTRICT CODE:
VILLAGE DISTRICT NAME:
VILLAGE PRECINCT:
SCHOOL PRECINCT:
PERMANENT ABSENTEE IND:N
STATUS TYPE:A
UOCAVA CODE:N
UOCAVA NAME:NON-UOCAVA



https://michiganvoters.info/by_number/00007800/02172_michael_norman_wiest.html

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 20, 2021, 09:33:45 PM
Same link:
31 October 2017 Michael Norman Wiest was born in 1964. His address on his voting record was 761 S Lake Shore Dr in Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740 United States of America.

12 May 2017 Same as above.


1 September 2016 Michael Norman Wiest was born in 1964. His address on his voting record was 761 S Lake Shore Dr in Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740 United States of America.


4 January 2016 Same as above.



1 October 2015 Same as above.


1 September 2014 Same as above.



1 June 2013 Michael Norman Wiest was born in 1964. His address on his voting record was 761 S Lake Shore Dr in Harbor Springs, Michigan 49740 United States of America.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 21, 2021, 03:06:15 PM
Maybe he votes more than once. I found this Michael Wiest born in 1963, not 1964. This search was done from the phone number in the news article someone posted about Mr. Michael Wiest's antique store called Eclipse which specializes in Chinese art. The man in the news article is 100% the man at OLHC calling himself a priest. "Father" Michael Wiest is the one who collects Chinese art
 and has a Buddhist altar in his home. The 1964 Michael Wiest cited in the news article has chosen a slutty name (see below) for his email addresses. This man with a Buddhist altar and an email name which means ORGY is presenting himself as a Catholic priest?

bacchinale@hotmail.com

bacchinale@yahoo.com


https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)

Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..

Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com


Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Associated Names
Michael E Wiest, Michael Weist, Michael Wieft
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
(Nov 2011 - Jan 2019)
7350 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Jun 2017)
7348 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Dec 1969 - May 2012)
1029 N 42nd Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85009
(Dec 1969 - Nov 2011)
6N208 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2007)
6N323 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2006)
6 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jul 2005)
1301 W Aster Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85029
(Nov 2003)
585 Springhill Dr
Roselle, IL 60172
(Aug 2001 - Apr 2003)
3334 N Oakley Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
(Mar 1999)
11029 N 42nd St
Phoenix, AZ 85028
(Oct 1998)
4410 W Thome Ave
Chicago, IL 60646
(May 1988 - Nov 1993)


Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645


Possible Relatives
Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathleen L Wiest, Katie Wiest, Lorraine B Wiest, Norman L Wiest Sr, Norman Lt Wiest, Wayne L Wiest
Possible Associates
Gerardo S Gutierrez, Rosa Maria Molina, Ashlee P Tarbutton, Ashley M Rourk, Christina M Rourk, Debra L Zapf, Diana M Nagle, Harold L Vock, Lynn B Wuczynski
Michael William Woods, Richard M Zapf, Scott G Reid, Vincent Paul Burba, Dino S Vukic, Jeffrey David Beyer, Karen M Monte, Katrina Swanson, Kimberly A Jones, Linda K Kelso, Michael P Flannery, Nancy V Murphy, Peter J Del Nodal, Philip W Wright, Rita Quinn Dominguez, Scott J Conrad, Suzana D Vukic, Xavier A Dominguez, Albert W Faraone Jr, Brandon L Smith, Donatella Majore, Leona J Furlong, Roberta M Taylor, William P Furlong, Andrea L Ellis, Ire Ellis, Jill E Gasparaitis, Michael G Ellis, Michael D Ellis, Rosemary Heraghty, Shane Ellis

Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline


https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)

Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..

Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com


Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Associated Names
Michael E Wiest, Michael Weist, Michael Wieft
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
(Nov 2011 - Jan 2019)
7350 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Jun 2017)
7348 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Dec 1969 - May 2012)
1029 N 42nd Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85009
(Dec 1969 - Nov 2011)
6N208 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2007)
6N323 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2006)
6 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jul 2005)
1301 W Aster Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85029
(Nov 2003)
585 Springhill Dr
Roselle, IL 60172
(Aug 2001 - Apr 2003)
3334 N Oakley Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
(Mar 1999)
11029 N 42nd St
Phoenix, AZ 85028
(Oct 1998)
4410 W Thome Ave
Chicago, IL 60646
(May 1988 - Nov 1993)


Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645


Possible Relatives
Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathleen L Wiest, Katie Wiest, Lorraine B Wiest, Norman L Wiest Sr, Norman Lt Wiest, Wayne L Wiest
Possible Associates
Gerardo S Gutierrez, Rosa Maria Molina, Ashlee P Tarbutton, Ashley M Rourk, Christina M Rourk, Debra L Zapf, Diana M Nagle, Harold L Vock, Lynn B Wuczynski
Michael William Woods, Richard M Zapf, Scott G Reid, Vincent Paul Burba, Dino S Vukic, Jeffrey David Beyer, Karen M Monte, Katrina Swanson, Kimberly A Jones, Linda K Kelso, Michael P Flannery, Nancy V Murphy, Peter J Del Nodal, Philip W Wright, Rita Quinn Dominguez, Scott J Conrad, Suzana D Vukic, Xavier A Dominguez, Albert W Faraone Jr, Brandon L Smith, Donatella Majore, Leona J Furlong, Roberta M Taylor, William P Furlong, Andrea L Ellis, Ire Ellis, Jill E Gasparaitis, Michael G Ellis, Michael D Ellis, Rosemary Heraghty, Shane Ellis

Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 21, 2021, 09:45:06 PM
Maybe he votes more than once. I found this Michael Wiest born in 1963, not 1964. This search was done from the phone number in the news article someone posted about Mr. Michael Wiest's antique store called Eclipse which specializes in Chinese art. The man in the news article is 100% the man at OLHC calling himself a priest. "Father" Michael Wiest is the one who collects Chinese art
 and has a Buddhist altar in his home. The 1964 Michael Wiest cited in the news article has chosen a slutty name (see below) for his email addresses. This man with a Buddhist altar and an email name which means ORGY is presenting himself as a Catholic priest?

bacchinale@hotmail.com

bacchinale@yahoo.com


https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)

Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..

Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com


Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Associated Names
Michael E Wiest, Michael Weist, Michael Wieft
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
(Nov 2011 - Jan 2019)
7350 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Jun 2017)
7348 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Dec 1969 - May 2012)
1029 N 42nd Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85009
(Dec 1969 - Nov 2011)
6N208 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2007)
6N323 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2006)
6 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jul 2005)
1301 W Aster Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85029
(Nov 2003)
585 Springhill Dr
Roselle, IL 60172
(Aug 2001 - Apr 2003)
3334 N Oakley Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
(Mar 1999)
11029 N 42nd St
Phoenix, AZ 85028
(Oct 1998)
4410 W Thome Ave
Chicago, IL 60646
(May 1988 - Nov 1993)


Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645


Possible Relatives
Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathleen L Wiest, Katie Wiest, Lorraine B Wiest, Norman L Wiest Sr, Norman Lt Wiest, Wayne L Wiest
Possible Associates
Gerardo S Gutierrez, Rosa Maria Molina, Ashlee P Tarbutton, Ashley M Rourk, Christina M Rourk, Debra L Zapf, Diana M Nagle, Harold L Vock, Lynn B Wuczynski
Michael William Woods, Richard M Zapf, Scott G Reid, Vincent Paul Burba, Dino S Vukic, Jeffrey David Beyer, Karen M Monte, Katrina Swanson, Kimberly A Jones, Linda K Kelso, Michael P Flannery, Nancy V Murphy, Peter J Del Nodal, Philip W Wright, Rita Quinn Dominguez, Scott J Conrad, Suzana D Vukic, Xavier A Dominguez, Albert W Faraone Jr, Brandon L Smith, Donatella Majore, Leona J Furlong, Roberta M Taylor, William P Furlong, Andrea L Ellis, Ire Ellis, Jill E Gasparaitis, Michael G Ellis, Michael D Ellis, Rosemary Heraghty, Shane Ellis

Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline


https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)

Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..

Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com


Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline

Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Associated Names
Michael E Wiest, Michael Weist, Michael Wieft
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
(Nov 2011 - Jan 2019)
7350 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Jun 2017)
7348 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Dec 1969 - May 2012)
1029 N 42nd Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85009
(Dec 1969 - Nov 2011)
6N208 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2007)
6N323 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2006)
6 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jul 2005)
1301 W Aster Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85029
(Nov 2003)
585 Springhill Dr
Roselle, IL 60172
(Aug 2001 - Apr 2003)
3334 N Oakley Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
(Mar 1999)
11029 N 42nd St
Phoenix, AZ 85028
(Oct 1998)
4410 W Thome Ave
Chicago, IL 60646
(May 1988 - Nov 1993)


Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645


Possible Relatives
Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathleen L Wiest, Katie Wiest, Lorraine B Wiest, Norman L Wiest Sr, Norman Lt Wiest, Wayne L Wiest
Possible Associates
Gerardo S Gutierrez, Rosa Maria Molina, Ashlee P Tarbutton, Ashley M Rourk, Christina M Rourk, Debra L Zapf, Diana M Nagle, Harold L Vock, Lynn B Wuczynski
Michael William Woods, Richard M Zapf, Scott G Reid, Vincent Paul Burba, Dino S Vukic, Jeffrey David Beyer, Karen M Monte, Katrina Swanson, Kimberly A Jones, Linda K Kelso, Michael P Flannery, Nancy V Murphy, Peter J Del Nodal, Philip W Wright, Rita Quinn Dominguez, Scott J Conrad, Suzana D Vukic, Xavier A Dominguez, Albert W Faraone Jr, Brandon L Smith, Donatella Majore, Leona J Furlong, Roberta M Taylor, William P Furlong, Andrea L Ellis, Ire Ellis, Jill E Gasparaitis, Michael G Ellis, Michael D Ellis, Rosemary Heraghty, Shane Ellis

Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline
I hope Fr. Perez sees the link with Michael Wiest having a Buddhist store.

I no longer wonder why Wiest invited Croisette to say mass at OLHC.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 22, 2021, 01:51:45 PM
I no longer wonder why Wiest invited Croisette to say mass at OLHC. 
I don't follow. Why would Wiest invite Croisette to say Mass at OLHC? Croisette is from Pfeifferville, but the orgie-fan, buddha-loving Wiest is not connected, is he?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 22, 2021, 01:58:29 PM
Posts #10 and 11 were an attempt at misdirection, pointing to a different Mr. Michael Wiest than the one presenting himself as a Catholic priest at OLHC.

Sure looks like an attempt to misdirect. Wonder if it was posted by Mr. Wiest himself.

Also it was in Huge print, tantamount to shouting.

Methinks he doth protest too much.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 22, 2021, 11:19:34 PM
I don't follow. Why would Wiest invite Croisette to say Mass at OLHC? Croisette is from Pfeifferville, but the orgie-fan, buddha-loving Wiest is not connected, is he?
Birds of a feather flock together. (They are both questionable priests.)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 22, 2021, 11:24:30 PM
Posts #10 and 11 were an attempt at misdirection, pointing to a different Mr. Michael Wiest than the one presenting himself as a Catholic priest at OLHC.

Sure looks like an attempt to misdirect. Wonder if it was posted by Mr. Wiest himself.

Also it was in Huge print, tantamount to shouting.

Methinks he doth protest too much
No, no attempt at misdirection.  Just research.  Hard for me to believe two Michael Norman Wiest's born one year apart.

Large print because that is how my computer cut and pasted it.  I am not tech savvy to change the font.   sorry.

And i am not wiest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 23, 2021, 02:40:55 PM
Hard for me to believe two Michael Norman Wiest's born one year apart.

The Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC has no middle name, refuses to provide any proof of his ordination, refuses to show any proof of any kind of his background or identity. More importantly, he wants to work alone with altar boys but refuses to show his drivers' license, as required by law in order to protect children from potential predators who want to be alone with children.

Cath Info has images of the Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC, which perfectly match the photos of the Mr. Michael Wiest in the publication (in this thread or the other Michael Wiest thread). Both  the Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC and the Michael Wiest in the publication not only look identical, but both collect antique Chinese art, especially antique Chinese screens and antique Chinese Buddhas, as evidenced by photo evidence already presented here.

Presenting himself as a layman, Michael Wiest has two email addresses with a variation of the word bacchanalia, which means wild sɛҳuąƖ drunken orgy.

This person has NO MIDDLE NAME. No facts support any middle name. To pull a fake middle name out of a hat smells like misdirection.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 23, 2021, 02:46:27 PM
The Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC has no middle name, refuses to provide any proof of his ordination, refuses to show any proof of any kind of his background or identity. More importantly, he wants to work alone with altar boys but refuses to show his drivers' license, as required by law in order to protect children from potential predators who want to be alone with children.

Cath Info has images of the Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC, which perfectly match the photos of the Mr. Michael Wiest in the publication (in this thread or the other Michael Wiest thread). Both  the Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC and the Michael Wiest in the publication not only look identical, but both collect antique Chinese art, especially antique Chinese screens and antique Chinese Buddhas, as evidenced by photo evidence already presented here.

Presenting himself as a layman, Michael Wiest has two email addresses with a variation of the word bacchanalia, which means wild sɛҳuąƖ drunken orgy.

This person has NO MIDDLE NAME. No facts support any middle name. To pull a fake middle name out of a hat smells like misdirection.
Thank you for the clarification. Sorry about that.  My mistake.

Keep showing the photos of the Buddhist altar in his house and ribbon cutting ceremony of his new Buddhist junk shop just 6 years ago to those who support him.  Maybe something will awaken them.

But people are blind.  They still support Tetherow, Cordaro, Pfeiffer, Colletti, Urrutigoity, Ensey, Ryan St. Anne, etc.  I will never understand....
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 23, 2021, 05:26:16 PM
For those of you wondering why Perez doesn't deal with all the fake priests at OLHC -- well, if he discovered that he himself is not really a Msgr yet keeps calling himself a Msgr, why or how do you think he's going to bother with Wiest, Colletti & Croisette & the phony nun!?

also -  sorry to tell you (because I like Traditio) but they are good friends of Perez.

Lastly -  someone reported that Colletti in back in Garden Grove.   I thought that he never left.  I also believe that Mrs. Croisette supported him.  I could be wrong.

For the life of me I don't understand why or how the people that were at OLHC before all this phoniness began don't stand up to all this nonsense & do something.  Sometimes just plain Catholics have to take the bull by the horns & rout the evil among them.  Isn't that what Confirmation is all about - to be soldiers of Christ the King?!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 23, 2021, 06:49:08 PM
I apologize - It's Tradition In Action that is friends with Perez  & not Traditio. :fryingpan:    I'm very sorry & hope I caught this in time before too many read it.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 23, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
No, no attempt at misdirection.  Just research.  Hard for me to believe two Michael Norman Wiest's born one year apart.

Large print because that is how my computer cut and pasted it.  I am not tech savvy to change the font.  sorry.

And i am not wiest.
Copy and pasting anything into this forum distorts the text, so I don't see that as a fault.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 24, 2021, 06:18:06 PM
Copy and pasting anything into this forum distorts the text, so I don't see that as a fault.
Sometimes it helps to cut and paste on to Word first.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Stanley N on September 24, 2021, 06:52:23 PM
I understand wanting to know who ordained a priest.

But I don't see how his supposed interest in Oriental art is anybody's concern.
I may have missed it - did anyone see him offering incense to a statue?

Or do some people have too much time on their hands?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 25, 2021, 07:13:34 AM
I understand wanting to know who ordained a priest.

But I don't see how his supposed interest in Oriental art is anybody's concern.
I may have missed it - did anyone see him offering incense to a statue?

Or do some people have too much time on their hands?
1. Oriental art is one thing.  A Buddhist altar is another. 
2. How could he open a Buddhist junk shop (in lay clothing) just 6 years ago (who knows how long it was open) and now be a priest?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 25, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
1. Oriental art is one thing.  A Buddhist altar is another.
2. How could he open a Buddhist junk shop (in lay clothing) just 6 years ago (who knows how long it was open) and now be a priest?
Yes an it's not just that he has a Buddhist altar with the paraphernalia that goes with it (like the mirror to communicate with the dead) but the same person also uses the word bacchanal (orgy) in two of his email addresses. This is especially troublesome because at the same time he wants to work alone with altar boys, he continues to refuse to show his Drivers License or his ordination papers.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on September 26, 2021, 09:54:08 AM
Yes an it's not just that he has a Buddhist altar with the paraphernalia that goes with it (like the mirror to communicate with the dead) but the same person also uses the word bacchanal (orgy) in two of his email addresses. This is especially troublesome because at the same time he wants to work alone with altar boys, he continues to refuse to show his Drivers License or his ordination papers.
We can't condemn a man because of what he might do.

However, as parents, we have to act according to our conscience to protect our children.  It is a fine line, but being cautious in this regard is never a sin.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 03, 2021, 10:50:40 AM
What happened to the thread called "One Place for all Photos of Mr. Wiest" or something like that?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 03, 2021, 10:53:55 AM
What happened to the thread called "One Place for all Photos of Mr. Wiest" or something like that?
I am thinking the same thing.
I was in the middle of replying to that thread when I was logged out.  Then I noticed the thread gone.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 03, 2021, 11:00:08 AM
What happened to the thread called "One Place for all Photos of Mr. Wiest" or something like that?
Looks like it was moved from anonymous to members only (not anonymous anymore).
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 03, 2021, 12:40:07 PM
Now Wiest claims from the pulpit that as a child he had apparition of a nun who played with him. He strongly hints that it was a saint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHBzr_cD7k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHBzr_cD7k)

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 03, 2021, 08:13:27 PM
He said he begged his mother for a statue of St. Therese that he saw in a store window because St. Therese always came to play with him.  This was in 1967 when he was 4 which would make him 58 now. Then went on to explain 'discalced' as meaning without socks!!  I kid you not!  Any Catholic knows that discalced means unshod or barefoot & has nothing to do with socks.  This man is a phony & it's a complete mystery to me why & how those people are putting up with him.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 03, 2021, 11:24:25 PM
One more thing ---  someone mentioned that the phony nun who became a Carmelite hermit is now saying that she's not a Carmelite nun - that she's just a hermit!  Yet someone said that she heard her say 'final vows' with Fr. Sretenovic.  So how did she get out of FINAL vows?!  Aren't Final vows FINAL?  Or did someone finally figure out that a non-Carmelite can't welcome anyone into the Carmelite Order?
What next will come out of that place?  Surely there's enough people there who have been there long enough to know that there's just too many aberrant occurrences happening there & something must be done to stem the tide, otherwise the only thing that's going to be left are weirdos.

Lastly, since Perez found out that he really isn't a Monsignor, why is he still using the title?  Rational people want to know.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 04, 2021, 04:03:41 AM
One more thing ---  someone mentioned that the phony nun who became a Carmelite hermit is now saying that she's not a Carmelite nun - that she's just a hermit!  Yet someone said that she heard her say 'final vows' with Fr. Sretenovic.  So how did she get out of FINAL vows?!  Aren't Final vows FINAL?  Or did someone finally figure out that a non-Carmelite can't welcome anyone into the Carmelite Order?
What next will come out of that place?  Surely there's enough people there who have been there long enough to know that there's just too many aberrant occurrences happening there & something must be done to stem the tide, otherwise the only thing that's going to be left are weirdos.

Lastly, since Perez found out that he really isn't a Monsignor, why is he still using the title?  Rational people want to know.
Talk To the nun.
Talk to Perez.
After hearing from the horses' mouths and not from gossip, decide whether to run away or stay.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 04, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
She's a hermit - remember?  You're not supposed to talk to her.
Perez won't talk about it.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 04, 2021, 05:23:47 PM
He said he begged his mother for a statue of St. Therese that he saw in a store window because St. Therese always came to play with him.  This was in 1967 when he was 4 which would make him 58 now. Then went on to explain 'discalced' as meaning without socks!!  I kid you not!  Any Catholic knows that discalced means unshod or barefoot & has nothing to do with socks.  This man is a phony & it's a complete mystery to me why & how those people are putting up with him.
He is a cold, calculation conman. He knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get an emotional reaction from gullible trads. (Especially those who feed their egos via private "revelation.") He also bragged that "If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity." This creepy pompous  sanctamonious sacrilegious  layman conman posing as a priest basically said that St. Teresa appeared to him as a child. He hinted that he is about to work a (fake) "miracle" at the chapel.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 04, 2021, 06:22:48 PM
He is a cold, calculation conman. He knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get an emotional reaction from gullible trads. (Especially those who feed their egos via private "revelation.")

That's how it looks like.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 04, 2021, 08:30:04 PM
To those who are complaining about this thread ---  You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you?  Who's forcing you to read it?  This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC.  As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed.  We tell it like it is.  I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.











Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 06, 2021, 03:10:00 PM
To those who are complaining about this thread ---  You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you?  Who's forcing you to read it?  This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC.  As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed.  We tell it like it is.  I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.
Amen brother. One also has to wonder about a possible link between Crazy Pfeifferville and Crazy OLHC. How is it that two more boys from OLHC, in addition to the one recently "ordained" by "Bishop" Pfeiffer, are now in the Pfeifferville "priesthood" pipeline?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 06, 2021, 03:52:01 PM
To those who are complaining about this thread ---  You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you?  Who's forcing you to read it?  This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC.  As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed.  We tell it like it is.  I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.
Still no new information to add to this thread?

Have you spoken with Fr Perez yet? Have you found another chapel to attend while this questionable priest is there?

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 06, 2021, 04:34:20 PM
Sad to hear about more victims going to Pfeifferville.  Are they from the same family as the other one?  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 06, 2021, 05:44:44 PM
Sad to hear about more victims going to Pfeifferville.  Are they from the same family as the other one? 
No they are altar boys who we have watched grow up.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 06, 2021, 09:43:33 PM
I'd love to sit in on a few High School Religion classes at that school!  What must they be teaching?!  It's bad enough that fake priests are allowed, now their children are going completely off course.  The Warlock doesn't bother them?!!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 11:42:57 AM
One more thing ---  someone mentioned that the phony nun who became a Carmelite hermit is now saying that she's not a Carmelite nun - that she's just a hermit!  Yet someone said that she heard her say 'final vows' with Fr. Sretenovic.  So how did she get out of FINAL vows?!  Aren't Final vows FINAL?  Or did someone finally figure out that a non-Carmelite can't welcome anyone into the Carmelite Order?
What next will come out of that place?  Surely there's enough people there who have been there long enough to know that there's just too many aberrant occurrences happening there & something must be done to stem the tide, otherwise the only thing that's going to be left are weirdos.

Lastly, since Perez found out that he really isn't a Monsignor, why is he still using the title?  Rational people want to know.
Logical and charitable people don't care what a nun trying to maintain tradition does. Priests get support, sometimes lots of it.  Nuns often don't.   That's why there aren't more traditional nuns.

Leave the poor (very poor) woman be, even if you can't wrap your head around how vows work. There MUST be more important things in your life you should focus on.. if not, consider yourself very lucky.

Sounds to me that the only thing you can do to "stem the tide" is leave.  Why don't you?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
She's a hermit - remember?  You're not supposed to talk to her.
Perez won't talk about it.
No wonder, with people like you badmouthing her.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 11:45:17 AM
He is a cold, calculation conman. He knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get an emotional reaction from gullible trads. (Especially those who feed their egos via private "revelation.") He also bragged that "If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity." This creepy pompous  sanctamonious sacrilegious  layman conman posing as a priest basically said that St. Teresa appeared to him as a child. He hinted that he is about to work a (fake) "miracle" at the chapel.
LEAVE
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
To those who are complaining about this thread ---  You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you?  Who's forcing you to read it?  This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC.  As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed.  We tell it like it is.  I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.
Truth is one thing.  Extrapolation, assumptions and presumptions are another.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 11:47:30 AM
Amen brother. One also has to wonder about a possible link between Crazy Pfeifferville and Crazy OLHC. How is it that two more boys from OLHC, in addition to the one recently "ordained" by "Bishop" Pfeiffer, are now in the Pfeifferville "priesthood" pipeline?
Those poor boys.
Those ignorant parents.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 11:48:51 AM
I'd love to sit in on a few High School Religion classes at that school!  What must they be teaching?!  It's bad enough that fake priests are allowed, now their children are going completely off course.  The Warlock doesn't bother them?!!
I would never send my children to that school, since Fr. Schell died.  I know too much.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 02:32:53 PM
Neither would I send my children to that school.  I, too, know too much, and now that Pfiefferville & OLHC seem to be so closely connected it seems to be descending further into darkness.  This 'miracle' that Wiest is going to perform should be interesting.  I hope someone will report on it.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
I'd love to sit in on a few High School Religion classes at that school!  What must they be teaching?!  It's bad enough that fake priests are allowed, now their children are going completely off course.  The Warlock doesn't bother them?!!
Are you referring to OLHC or OLMC? Is there a warlock at the high school?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 02:44:43 PM
I'm referring to OLHC sending sons to OLMC which has the warlock.  I'd like to sit in on a OLHC Religion class to see what they're teaching that they would send their sons to OLMC.  Why not the SPPX?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 03:21:10 PM
I'm referring to OLHC sending sons to OLMC which has the warlock.  I'd like to sit in on a OLHC Religion class to see what they're teaching that they would send their sons to OLMC.  Why not the SPPX?
Those of us sitting in the pews are told that we must avoid SSPX because they use the "inferior" 1962 Mass. We are told we must avoid the Indult at all costs. We are told that OLHC is the only traditional chapel which has the correct liturgical calendar.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 03:36:18 PM
Sounds to me that the only thing you can do to "stem the tide" is leave.  Why don't you?
Are you someone who is still in the chapel and think it's perfectly fine to have "priests" who
1. Have been laicized as part of a legal settlement, while admitting to child molestation (Colletti).
2. Have been "ordained" by Pfeiffer who is not actually a Bishop. (Croisette).
3. Aslo
    a. has a Buddhist altar in his home (photographic evidence).
    b. refuses to show proof that he is a Catholic priest
    c. wants to work alone with altar boys but refuses to follow the law and
    submit to fingerprints and show his ID.
    d. was presenting himself as a layman just several years ago
     (photographic evidence).
    e. as a layman gives a phone number linked to two email addresses 
   which use the word bacchanal which means orgy.
   (these facts on Mr. Wiest are well-docuмented on another thread.)

If you are not Mr. Wiest himself, what dog do you have in this fight?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 04:20:55 PM
Neither would I send my children to that school.  I, too, know too much, and now that Pfiefferville & OLHC seem to be so closely connected it seems to be descending further into darkness.  This 'miracle' that Wiest is going to perform should be interesting.  I hope someone will report on it.
Sad
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 04:26:36 PM
I'm referring to OLHC sending sons to OLMC which has the warlock.  I'd like to sit in on a OLHC Religion class to see what they're teaching that they would send their sons to OLMC.  Why not the SPPX?
Is Fr. Perez encouraging these young men to go to OLMC?  Or is it croisette?  Is croisettes mother paying the fare for them to go?

SO unfortunate.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 04:27:51 PM
Those of us sitting in the pews are told that we must avoid SSPX because they use the "inferior" 1962 Mass. We are told we must avoid the Indult at all costs. We are told that OLHC is the only traditional chapel which has the correct liturgical calendar.
I avoid all priests/chapels who tell me they are the last vestige of the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 07, 2021, 05:04:31 PM
Wait!!  The pewsitters at OLHC are being told to avoid the SPPX yet they use the SPPX for Confirmations??!  Did I get that correct?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 08, 2021, 12:49:36 PM
Wait!!  The pewsitters at OLHC are being told to avoid the SPPX yet they use the SPPX for Confirmations??!  Did I get that correct?
Yes.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 08, 2021, 03:29:30 PM
How many pupils are in the school at OLHC & how many grades do they have?  Is it just an elementary school or does it go thru high school?  And the parents are OK with all these fake priests coming & going?  This is all hard to comprehend.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 08, 2021, 05:35:42 PM
How many pupils are in the school at OLHC & how many grades do they have?  Is it just an elementary school or does it go thru high school?  And the parents are OK with all these fake priests coming & going?  This is all hard to comprehend.
None of that matters.
All of the congregation members need to do a massive walk out, homeschool their children or put them in another school, and go elsewhere for sacraments.  Maybe then Fr. Perez will pay attention.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 09, 2021, 03:37:33 PM
None of that matters.
All of the congregation members need to do a massive walk out, homeschool their children or put them in another school, and go elsewhere for sacraments.  Maybe then Fr. Perez will pay attention.
Actually, many are walking out. When asked about losing so many chapel members, Fr. Perez says they are leaving (not because of the pedophile priest, the Pfieffer "priest," or Mr. Wiest with his Buddhist altar and photos of himself as a layman running a Chinese junk shop several years ago). No. According to Perez, people are leaving because they don't like the sermons of the ONE good priest at OLHC, Fr. Starbuck. Wonder who could be feeding Perez such a lie? My guess is Mr. Wiest, who lusts to get rid of the ONE good priest so he can run the chapel himself. To conman Mr. Wiest Fr. Perez is irrelevant. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 09, 2021, 03:59:42 PM
But when they show pictures of people going to Communion (even with Wiest saying Mass) there seems to be quite a few there.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 09, 2021, 04:09:47 PM
But when they show pictures of people going to Communion (even with Wiest saying Mass) there seems to be quite a few there.
During the plandemic, refugees from the Novus Ordo came to OLHC. Little do they know that it is no longer a refuge for traditional Catholics, but rather a refuge for pedophile laicized priests, Pfeiffer "priests" and a wealthy Budda- worshiping layman like Mr. Wiest pretending to be a priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 09, 2021, 10:04:08 PM
During the plandemic, refugees from the Novus Ordo came to OLHC. Little do they know that it is no longer a refuge for traditional Catholics, but rather a refuge for pedophile laicized priests, Pfeiffer "priests" and a wealthy Budda- worshiping layman like Mr. Wiest pretending to be a priest.
Pretty sure Fr. Schell is crying from his grave. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 10, 2021, 07:05:56 PM
I avoid all priests/chapels who tell me they are the last vestige of the Catholic Church.
This is a great point. The enemy preys on those of us who fled the N.O. 
We were so happy to find a chapel with the true Mass that we overlooked a lot of problems.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 10, 2021, 11:05:36 PM
This is a great point. The enemy preys on those of us who fled the N.O.
We were so happy to find a chapel with the true Mass that we overlooked a lot of problems.
Most of us fled the NO.

If you can go to mass and leave without getting involved in the school or the politics of the chapel, by all means continue to go.

But when a priest starts saying he is the last vestige of the Catholic Church, it is a slippery slope to schism, and I run in the other direction.

There are so many options for mass within a reasonably close distance from OLMC.  Go elsewhere.  Just avoide "b" sebastain and his "priests".  Their line is not Catholic.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 06:32:12 AM

There are so many options for mass within a reasonably close distance from OLMC  OLHC.  Go elsewhere.  Just avoide "b" sebastain and his "priests".  Their line is not Catholic.
Correction.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 10:39:22 AM
Who's "b" sebastain & his priests?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
I've only been to OLHC a few times while on vacation so I'm unfamiliar with what goes on there. I met Father Perez and have listened/watched some of his interviews. I was planning on writing him for advice on my spiritual life, but I'm questioning this after reading some negative things about OLHC here. What do you guys who are more familiar with Father Perez think about corresponding with him about spiritual direction/advice?  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Todd The Trad on October 11, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
Btw this was me posting above about Father Perez. Accidently posted anonymous. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 11:42:42 AM


My take is that the Chapel is suffering from a demonic attack.  Most chapels are in the same boat.

Any connection with the Pfeifferites will open the chapel up to malefices, from Bp. Pfeiffer's boss, the warlock Mexican.
We have caught the warlock placing malifaces (cursed items) in other chapels.  The effect is to cause friction and disunity within the chapel.

There are also marrano infiltrators there.   Weist needs to be jettisoned from OLHC.

Before it is too late, Msgr. Perez needs to man-up and bite the bullet and protect true tradition.
Anyone who doesn't like conservative trad sermons can hit the door.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 04:45:59 PM
Todd the Trad, I wouldn't advise writing to Perez for spiritual advice or anything else for that matter.  First of all I don't think Perez would be willing to do it as I don't think he'd have the time or inclination for it.  I believe that he - or any other priest, would want to see you in person.  Why would you even want to do it?  Surely there must be a decent trad priest closer to you so you could discuss things in person.  Unless you live at the North or South Pole with no priests available, long distance spiritual advice is not a good idea for either the person or the priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 05:07:06 PM
Who's "b" sebastain & his priests?
"Bishop" sebastain is not far from OLHC.
Google him.  Avoid him and his minions.  They are not Catholic.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 05:09:12 PM
I've only been to OLHC a few times while on vacation so I'm unfamiliar with what goes on there. I met Father Perez and have listened/watched some of his interviews. I was planning on writing him for advice on my spiritual life, but I'm questioning this after reading some negative things about OLHC here. What do you guys who are more familiar with Father Perez think about corresponding with him about spiritual direction/advice? 
I no longer listen to ANY advice from ANY priest.  They have messed my family and me up too many times.  No theologians at sspx or any independent operation.  Not enough theologians around.  The priests can't help much except to say, "pray" and "read the lives of the saints".
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 05:14:28 PM
"Bishop" sebastain is not far from OLHC.
Google him.  Avoid him and his minions.  They are not Catholic.
Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (https://vaticancatholic.com/bishop-tom-sebastian/) (I know VaticanCatholic.com is not a super source but anyhow)?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 11, 2021, 08:47:41 PM
Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (https://vaticancatholic.com/bishop-tom-sebastian/) (I know VaticanCatholic.com is not a super source but anyhow)?
Yes.  Not a Catholic bishop.  His lineage cut away from the Catholic Church after its leader was excommunicated to the severest degree.  They were never allowed back.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 12, 2021, 06:09:50 PM
Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (https://vaticancatholic.com/bishop-tom-sebastian/) (I know VaticanCatholic.com is not a super source but anyhow)?
I agree that Dimond Bros. not a reliable source. Following your link I found this:

"Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic.   He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic.  Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop.  This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."

So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.

The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 12, 2021, 09:49:07 PM
I agree that Dimond Bros. not a reliable source. Following your link I found this:

"Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic.  He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic.  Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop.  This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."

So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.

The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.
It is clear to me Fr. Perez doesn't vet people he allows in the sanctuary, but acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 13, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
It is clear to me Fr. Perez doesn't vet people he allows in the sanctuary, but acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. 
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
1.  photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
2.  photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
 his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
8. Wiest has never provided any docuмentation of an ordination.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 13, 2021, 04:37:22 PM
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
1.  photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
2.  photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
 his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
8. Wiest has never provided any docuмentation of an ordination.
Have any of you actually confronted Weist, individually or as a group, about your concerns?


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Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
Have you confronted him about this? Have you contacted any authorities?



Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 13, 2021, 05:17:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5DT2NiF.png)

This photo of Wiest as a layman was posted 6 months prior to him showing up at OLHC claiming to be a priest.

Three Oaks Farmers Market filled with green & growing things

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 13, 2021, 07:54:30 PM
Here's one of weist in 2015, opening his new Buddhist junk shop.

(https://i.imgur.com/kW80ZHJ.png)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 13, 2021, 07:55:52 PM
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
If he walks like a priest and talks like a priest, then he is a priest until you prove he isn't. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 13, 2021, 08:00:15 PM
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
1.  photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
2.  photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
 his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
8. Wiest has never provided any docuмentation of an ordination.
Time to leave.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 15, 2021, 06:33:28 PM
Time to leave.
Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 15, 2021, 10:42:20 PM
Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.
Only if you can do so without harming yourself, your family, or others. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 16, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
This was posted on another thread by Matthew, but is relevant here.

from the beginning, Trad chapels were neither CULTS which treat members like children, nor BUSINESSES which treat them like "repeat customers they want to have" and not share with "competitors". Today, many groups have fallen into one of those traps. They are some combination of a cult and a business.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 16, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 06:33:28 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/more-weirdness-from-fr-michael-wiest-at-olhc/msg778500/#msg778500)
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Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.


Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/more-weirdness-from-fr-michael-wiest-at-olhc/msg778500/#msg778500)
Only if you can do so without harming yourself, your family, or others. 
Is this an ally recognizing that Wiest is a snake, or is this the snake himself issuing a threat?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 17, 2021, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 06:33:28 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/more-weirdness-from-fr-michael-wiest-at-olhc/msg778500/#msg778500)Is this an ally recognizing that Wiest is a snake, or is this the snake himself issuing a threat?
I was thinking of Wiest's proclamation that he would be performing a miracle soon.  If that is the case, perhaps the demonic is active within him and he may curse you if you publicly turn on him.  Kind of like OLMC's warlock.

A well-written flyer with photos, clandestinely plastered on the windshields of each car during a mass would suffice. 

Then LEAVE and never look back.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 18, 2021, 11:20:25 AM
If he walks like a priest and talks like a priest, then he is a priest until you prove he isn't.
Con men who pose as priests commonly prey on the Hispanic community. Usually they are Novus Ordo and sometimes they set up small chapels. They "walk and talk" like priests and make a living by performing fake baptisms and legal marriages (any person can obtain a license to perform marriages).

That said, Wiest exhibits behaviors not seen in legitimate Catholic priests.

A priest will show his ordination papers and will say where, when and by what rite he was ordained; Wiest refuses.

A priest who asks to work alone with altar boys will show his drivers license and submit his fingerprints; Wiest refuses.

A priest does not brag from the pulpit that:
"As a little child, St. Theresa came often came to play with me."
and
"If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity."
and
"Our Lady of Fatima said the Miracle of the Sun would happen again a second time (She said not such thing) and I was privledged to see it."

A priest does not make up stories and then change them.
For months his story was
"I first met Father Perez in Rome when we were both young Seminarians and I had nowhere to go and he let me stay for a period of time."
then after several repetitions of this story he changed his story to:
"I first met Father Perez in a small town outside of Florence at Christ the King Seminary when three seminarians and myself were on on way to Sloviakia and he permitted us to spend the night."
(This revision is more believable and the details of where and when Fr. Perez was in this small town is easily available online -- too bad Wiest hadn't seen it first before he made up his Rome fairy tale.)

He has also changed his age from 48 to 58.

He also changed his story about his cancer from happening in his last year of high school to his last year of law school at Yale (and no, not a remission, just a revision of his story.)

His response to the photo of the Budda altar in his home was that his privacy was invaded. (Yes, please allow the poor man to engage in Pagan ancestor worship in the privacy of the home we are paying for.)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 18, 2021, 11:04:24 PM

That said, Wiest exhibits behaviors not seen in legitimate Catholic priests.

A priest will show his ordination papers and will say where, when and by what rite he was ordained; Wiest refuses.
I think this is true.  Even NO ordained priests assimilated into the sspx without being conditionally ordained refuse to provide such info.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 18, 2021, 11:05:46 PM
Con men who pose as priests commonly prey on the Hispanic community. Usually they are Novus Ordo and sometimes they set up small chapels. They "walk and talk" like priests and make a living by performing fake baptisms and legal marriages (any person can obtain a license to perform marriages).

That said, Wiest exhibits behaviors not seen in legitimate Catholic priests.

A priest will show his ordination papers and will say where, when and by what rite he was ordained; Wiest refuses.

A priest who asks to work alone with altar boys will show his drivers license and submit his fingerprints; Wiest refuses.

A priest does not brag from the pulpit that:
"As a little child, St. Theresa came often came to play with me."
and
"If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity."
and
"Our Lady of Fatima said the Miracle of the Sun would happen again a second time (She said not such thing) and I was privledged to see it."

A priest does not make up stories and then change them.
For months his story was
"I first met Father Perez in Rome when we were both young Seminarians and I had nowhere to go and he let me stay for a period of time."
then after several repetitions of this story he changed his story to:
"I first met Father Perez in a small town outside of Florence at Christ the King Seminary when three seminarians and myself were on on way to Sloviakia and he permitted us to spend the night."
(This revision is more believable and the details of where and when Fr. Perez was in this small town is easily available online -- too bad Wiest hadn't seen it first before he made up his Rome fairy tale.)

He has also changed his age from 48 to 58.

He also changed his story about his cancer from happening in his last year of high school to his last year of law school at Yale (and no, not a remission, just a revision of his story.)

His response to the photo of the Budda altar in his home was that his privacy was invaded. (Yes, please allow the poor man to engage in Pagan ancestor worship in the privacy of the home we are paying for.)
Fr. Perez is a pretty intelligent priest.  
I just don't understand his lack of protecting the Faithful by better vetting priests he allows at OLHC.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 19, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
Fr. Perez is a pretty intelligent priest. 
I just don't understand his lack of protecting the Faithful by better vetting priests he allows at OLHC.
I agree. It is mind boggling that Fr. Perez failed to ask Wiest to show his papers. Who supposedly ordained him? When? Where? In what rite?
On top of that, the laicized Colletti (who also was never asked to show proof that he was a priest) is a docuмented child molester who admitted his guilt with the agreement that he would be able to keep his retirement money as long as he never publicly represented himself as a priest. And if that's not bad enough, Perez covered up for Colletti when the diocese of Orange sent letters outing the pedophile. He covered up by saying from the pulput "Father Colletti has been called back to his diocese." Yeah, he was called back alright. The only priest who spoke the truth was Father Starbuck, who from the pulpit warned parents not to allow their children around Colletti. Let us pray that Father Perez will come to his senses and do the right thing to protect the children and others at the chapel.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 19, 2021, 08:27:43 PM
I agree. It is mind boggling that Fr. Perez failed to ask Wiest to show his papers. Who supposedly ordained him? When? Where? In what rite?
On top of that, the laicized Colletti (who also was never asked to show proof that he was a priest) is a docuмented child molester who admitted his guilt with the agreement that he would be able to keep his retirement money as long as he never publicly represented himself as a priest. And if that's not bad enough, Perez covered up for Colletti when the diocese of Orange sent letters outing the pedophile. He covered up by saying from the pulput "Father Colletti has been called back to his diocese." Yeah, he was called back alright. The only priest who spoke the truth was Father Starbuck, who from the pulpit warned parents not to allow their children around Colletti. Let us pray that Father Perez will come to his senses and do the right thing to protect the children and others at the chapel.
Amen.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 22, 2021, 05:30:39 PM
Fr. Perez is a pretty intelligent priest. 
I just don't understand his lack of protecting the Faithful by better vetting priests he allows at OLHC.
Strike one: Father Perez never asked Joseph Colletti for his papers of ordination and it turned out had he done so he'd have known Colletti was a child molester who was laicized and ordered to never present himself as a priest or say a public Mass.

Strike two: Father Perez never asked "Michael Wiest" for his papers of ordination and it turned out had he done so he'd have known that Mr. Wiest was presenting himself as a layman 6 months prior to posing as a priest at OLHC.

Strike three: When Mr. Wiest invited the young Pfieffer "priest" to say two masses, Perez permitted it.

Even if Wiest slithers away in the middle of the night, OLHC is still in trouble because of Father Perez.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 23, 2021, 03:46:39 PM
I was thinking of Wiest's proclamation that he would be performing a miracle soon.  If that is the case, perhaps the demonic is active within him and he may curse you if you publicly turn on him.

No true Catholic fears "curses" from possessed persons. Instead we pray for their deliverance from evil.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Nadir on October 23, 2021, 03:53:37 PM
No true Catholic fears "curses" from possessed persons. Instead we pray for their deliverance from evil.
Why the inverted commas on the word curse? Curses are real so be sure you pray at a good distance. We are not to test God.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 24, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
Why the inverted commas on the word curse? Curses are real so be sure you pray at a good distance. We are not to test God.
God's power is greater than the so-called "power" of demons.

According to Spain's experienced exorcist, Fr. Jose Fortea, "A curse is an action that is done to harm another with the help of demons. There are specific curses to kill, to cause one to be possessed, to make things go bad in business, and to make someone sick, etc. …Curses are effective only if God allows them to have effect.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 25, 2021, 03:58:36 PM
I was thinking of Wiest's proclamation that he would be performing a miracle soon.  If that is the case, perhaps the demonic is active within him and he may curse you if you publicly turn on him.  Kind of like OLMC's warlock.

A well-written flyer with photos, clandestinely plastered on the windshields of each car during a mass would suffice. 

Then LEAVE and never look back.

This suggestion sounds like a setup straight from Mr. Wiest himself.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 25, 2021, 04:49:38 PM
This suggestion sounds like a setup straight from Mr. Wiest himself.
Nope, not Wiest.

But i fail to see why anyone who can point out so many diistinct issues with one chapel would stay.

Time to leave.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 25, 2021, 04:50:11 PM
Why the inverted commas on the word curse? Curses are real so be sure you pray at a good distance. We are not to test God.
agreed.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 25, 2021, 05:44:16 PM
A couple of months ago I thought I had found a new home at this chapel. I left about 2-3 weeks ago after reading so many things about it on this forum.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Nadir on October 25, 2021, 06:19:17 PM
God's power is greater than the so-called "power" of demons.

According to Spain's experienced exorcist, Fr. Jose Fortea, "A curse is an action that is done to harm another with the help of demons. There are specific curses to kill, to cause one to be possessed, to make things go bad in business, and to make someone sick, etc. …Curses are effective only if God allows them to have effect.
I see. We agree. Then it is just a question of the use of commas.

We see this often nowadays. It is a sign of declining literacy (inappriate use of inverted commas) See https://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/the-emphatic-use-of-quotation-marks



Quote
The Oxford Manual of Style says scare quotes may serve ‘to hold up a word for inspection, as if by tongs, providing a cordon sanitaire between the word and the writer’s finer sensibilities’. It’s a technique that quickly wears thin, so style guides sometimes caution against its excessive use. And there’s a related problem: non-standard emphasis. Sometimes people use quotation marks to stress a word or phrase, and this clashes with the general understanding of how the marks – and scare quotes – are properly used.


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 27, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
"Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic.  He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic.  Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop.  This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."

So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.

The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.
No miracle yet?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 27, 2021, 05:36:54 PM
No miracle yet?
While probably a conman, demons and the demonically possessed can work false signs and wonders.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 27, 2021, 05:56:22 PM
Did Wiest make Plinio or Dona Lucila appear at the chapel?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 28, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
Did Wiest make Plinio or Dona Lucila appear at the chapel?
Please explain
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 30, 2021, 07:53:10 AM
OLMC should be shut down.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 30, 2021, 07:53:51 AM
OLMC should be shut down.
OLHC.  sorry.  the similarities are all to much to ignore.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on October 30, 2021, 02:04:56 PM
Marshall Roberts is looking for a place to land.  It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at OLHC.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 01, 2021, 11:56:05 AM
Marshall Roberts is looking for a place to land.  It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at OLHC.
Given that Perez was the one to expel Roberts from the Gricigliano seminary, I doubt it.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 01, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
Yes, I thought of that after I posted, then thought - if he made a perfect confession, Perez might give him another chance.  Stranger things have happened at that place that harbors a phony nun who's come & gone many times.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 01, 2021, 03:34:54 PM
Given that Perez was the one to expel Roberts from the Gricigliano seminary, I doubt it.
I don't have a horse in this race but that statement is not true. 
Fr. Perez has never expelled Roberts of any place, let alone a seminary. Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 01, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
I'm not the Anon who posted that Perez expelled him, but I remember reading that Perez had something to do with expelling Roberts from some place.  So please explain how that statement is untrue.  Thank you.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Matthew on November 02, 2021, 04:31:52 AM
Just in time for Halloween, this is the thread that just won't die.

Some threads you can understand the interest, the ongoing discussion. Not this one. Are there that many Catholics on CathInfo from that neck of the woods, or something? Does this really affect anyone here?

What is my point? Well, I'm commenting because this is an example of where my personal opinion is one thing (this thread is dumb) but as Moderator I can't think of a good reason to lock the thread. So I'm keeping my personal opinions out of my actions as moderator.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 02, 2021, 11:16:40 AM
I'm from that neck of the woods (Orange County, CA) and very new to traditional Catholicism. I discovered OLHC and thought I had found a home so I looked through CathInfo because I was curious if anyone knew about it. I found so much info here and I stopped going to OLHC after all the things I've read.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 02, 2021, 06:22:02 PM
I don't have a horse in this race but that statement is not true.
Fr. Perez has never expelled Roberts of any place, let alone a seminary. Get your facts straight.
You are the one who needs to get your facts straight. Ever hear about the SSJ? The facts regarding SSJ, pervert Roberts and Father Perez are here: https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/

As a seminarian at the Institute of Christ the King (http://www.institute-christ-king.org/) in Gricigliano, Italy, Roberts was expelled in 1993 by the seminary’s then vice-rector, Father Patrick Perez. Father Perez expelled Roberts for writing explicit love letters to a younger seminarian with whom Roberts was enamored. The younger seminarian, who did not appreciate Roberts’ advances, gave the love letters to Father Perez who then saw to it that Roberts was dismissed from the seminary within 24 hours.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 02, 2021, 06:32:01 PM
I'm from that neck of the woods (Orange County, CA) and very new to traditional Catholicism. I discovered OLHC and thought I had found a home so I looked through CathInfo because I was curious if anyone knew about it. I found so much info here and I stopped going to OLHC after all the things I've read.
Sad situation. Far south is the SJC Mission which has an indult at 6:30 a.m. on Sundays. To the north west are indults in Costa Mesa and in Huntington Beach. SSPX is in Arcadia I think, or maybe it's Duarte which literally has no parking for those of us unable to walk long distances. Indult would not be my first choice, but it's better than Perez's chapel with a history of a pedophile priest, a Buddha-worshiping layman posing as a priest, a Pfiefferville young man who believes himself to be a priest and a school board infested with Plinio- worshipers.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on November 02, 2021, 07:55:56 PM
😴😴😴😴😴
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 03:00:47 AM
For those wondering why this thread is so important let me 'splain by giving a Geography & History lesson.  OLHC is in Orange County CA, a densely populated region, unlike some far-flung regions of the country.  Not only that, but it sits smack dab between Disneyland & Knott's Berry Farm, so it has not only their regular parishioners but visitors from all over.  They have a school & a Hall which has coffee & donuts after Mass so people can meet & greet.  It was under a saintly priest for years who passed away a few years ago leaving it to Perez, who he said was the best he could do given the scarcity of priests.
As bad as Perez is now, he actually has grown up & improved since he first arrived.   A died in the wool Catholic wouldn't go to an Insult Mass & the nearest other church is the SSPX church in LA county about 30 miles away.  Maybe that doesn't sound very far away but we have freeways here that constantly hum with cars & some very bad drivers so you take your life in your hands when to get on them.

To sum up - OLHC is an important little church that has serviced people from all over in this sad world & people need to know what goes on there.  This thread does a great service in doing that & if you're not interested, no one is forcing anyone to read about it.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Todd The Trad on November 03, 2021, 09:45:47 AM
For those wondering why this thread is so important let me 'splain by giving a Geography & History lesson.  OLHC is in Orange County CA, a densely populated region, unlike some far-flung regions of the country.  Not only that, but it sits smack dab between Disneyland & Knott's Berry Farm, so it has not only their regular parishioners but visitors from all over.  They have a school & a Hall which has coffee & donuts after Mass so people can meet & greet.  It was under a saintly priest for years who passed away a few years ago leaving it to Perez, who he said was the best he could do given the scarcity of priests.
As bad as Perez is now, he actually has grown up & improved since he first arrived.  A died in the wool Catholic wouldn't go to an Insult Mass & the nearest other church is the SSPX church in LA county about 30 miles away.  Maybe that doesn't sound very far away but we have freeways here that constantly hum with cars & some very bad drivers so you take your life in your hands when to get on them.

To sum up - OLHC is an important little church that has serviced people from all over in this sad world & people need to know what goes on there.  This thread does a great service in doing that & if you're not interested, no one is forcing anyone to read about it.  Hope this helps.
I assisted at a couple Masses there when my family and I went on vacation to Disney. I'm from Ohio. We visited my sister who lives nearby. Now I may think twice before going back there the next time we visit my sister, depending on how things are going whenever that may be. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 11:37:26 AM
If you go to Fr. Perez's Mass you'd be OK as he is valid.  Avoid any other.  As far as I know Fr. Starbuck hasn't been conditionally ordained.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 06:25:58 PM
If you go to Fr. Perez's Mass you'd be OK as he is valid.  Avoid any other.  As far as I know Fr. Starbuck hasn't been conditionally ordained. 
Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.
Can you please provide any proof of this conditional ordination? Who was the bishop that did the conditional ordination?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 06:57:49 PM
Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab.
Wow. This priest is a hero. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 07:06:06 PM
... he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab.
You've given me a whole new respect for Fr. Perez.
Perez for Pope! Perez for Pope! Perez for Pope!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 03, 2021, 09:59:40 PM
I never heard that the 2 Fr. S's were ever conditionally ordained, so I too need to know more.  Fr. Perez was validly ordained so why would he be conditionally ordained?  We need more info, please.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 03:24:16 AM
Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.
I know Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by b. Zendejas, but that was after he left OLHC.  

Pretty sure Perez was never conditionally ordained.

Not sure about Fr. Starbuck.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 08:33:18 AM
I never heard that the 2 Fr. S's were ever conditionally ordained, so I too need to know more.  Fr. Perez was validly ordained so why would he be conditionally ordained?  We need more info, please.
Because there is positive doubt for the NO Episcopal Consecrations. Perez's bishop (Cardinal Strickler) was not a valid minister.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 02:02:25 PM
You are the one who needs to get your facts straight. Ever hear about the SSJ? The facts regarding SSJ, pervert Roberts and Father Perez are here: https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/

As a seminarian at the Institute of Christ the King (http://www.institute-christ-king.org/) in Gricigliano, Italy, Roberts was expelled in 1993 by the seminary’s then vice-rector, Father Patrick Perez. Father Perez expelled Roberts for writing explicit love letters to a younger seminarian with whom Roberts was enamored. The younger seminarian, who did not appreciate Roberts’ advances, gave the love letters to Father Perez who then saw to it that Roberts was dismissed from the seminary within 24 hours.
Of course I've heard of SSJ and wouldn't touch them with a 10ft. pole.

Just because you've read a mistaken "fact" in a particular link it won't follow it is accurate.
Fr. Perez wasn't a rector or superior of anybody in 1993. Ask Fr. Perez himself and get back to us once you get your "facts" straighten out.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
I know Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by b. Zendejas, but that was after he left OLHC. 

Pretty sure Perez was never conditionally ordained.

Not sure about Fr. Starbuck.
What about Father(?) Paulo Alvarez (aka "Paul Norton"), what's his status and he's still with Fr. Perez?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 04:10:45 PM
What about Father(?) Paulo Alvarez (aka "Paul Norton"), what's his status and he's still with Fr. Perez?
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

 Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Prayerful on November 04, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

 Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
TIA seems to be a TFP adjunct, although the relationship isn't wholly clear, and perhaps they are more aligned with the Plino de Correa Institute, but that body is more soundly traditional than TFP clearly rejecting environmentalism and land reform in Brazil. The Prince Imperial of Brazil, Prince Bertrand supports the Institute. Perhaps it is a TIA sub cult or another TFP breakaway as Atila is no no longer properly a TFP member. If someone reads TIA, there are many articles with calumny towards Abp Lefebvre. For this rad trad chest beating attacking V2, Atila goes to a diocesan TLM.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 04:51:25 PM
This is the gαyest thread of all-time.  

Can we invite Poche back (or maybe Poche is the OP)?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 04:59:37 PM
Who's forcing you to read it?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 05:22:02 PM
This is the gαyest thread of all-time. 

Can we invite Poche back (or maybe Poche is the OP)?
That's insulting to Poche.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 08:56:22 PM
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

 Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.

Any sane Catholic should stay clear from any TFP / Harolds of the Gospel and anything related to Plinio or his Mother. 
As far as I'm concerned the only thing they are missing is the kool-aid. And the resurrection of Plinio!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4AM84i-gD4


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 04, 2021, 09:01:49 PM
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

 Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.

What a mess! If one does not bow to Plinio as God and does not recite a Litany for his mother you're considered persona non grata, that's certain..
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 05, 2021, 02:37:07 AM
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

 Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
Untrue.  Fr. Pfeiffer brought Fr. Norton to the USA as a "seminarian".   Fr. Norton left OLMC in short order, was ordained, then allowed at OLHC. 

Miss Horvat told me she and TFPs John Horvat are unrelated.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 05, 2021, 06:19:08 PM
Any sane Catholic should stay clear from any TFP / Harolds of the Gospel and anything related to Plinio or his Mother.
As far as I'm concerned the only thing they are missing is the kool-aid. And the resurrection of Plinio!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4AM84i-gD4
Is that video of TFP slaves worshipping Plinio? That looks like his mother in the photo, who they also worship and to whom they pray a "litany" in a mockery of a Catholic litany.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 05, 2021, 07:47:59 PM
Is that video of TFP slaves worshipping Plinio? That looks like his mother in the photo, who they also worship and to whom they pray a "litany" in a mockery of a Catholic litany.
Yep, you've described the video alright. How some take this kind of BS for Catholicism is just beyond me.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 06, 2021, 02:32:46 PM
Yep, you've described the video alright. How some take this kind of BS for Catholicism is just beyond me.
The ultimate controlled opposition are the cults which pretend to be Catholic.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 06, 2021, 02:44:21 PM
Miss Horvat told me she and TFPs John Horvat are unrelated.
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John William Horvat
[th]Birth[/th]
28 Oct 1921
Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA
[th]Death[/th]
12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
[th]Burial [/th]
Leavenworth National Cemetery (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/109419/leavenworth-national-cemetery)
Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
[th]Memorial ID[/th]
113735296 · View Source (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#source)

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John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com

Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 06, 2021, 02:44:54 PM
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Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 06, 2021, 02:48:23 PM

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Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG
 The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
 
 I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".
 
 The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:
 
 "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.
 
 I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. "
 . . .
 Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:
 
 "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
 
 Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).
 
 In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"
 
 Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".
 
 The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.
 
 The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.
 
 Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.
 
 The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."
 
 The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.
 
 So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.
 
 We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.
 
 The twelve first slaves were:
 
 1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
 2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
 3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
 4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
 5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
 6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
 7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
  Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
 9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
 10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
 11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
 12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.
 
 
 https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/ (https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/)



Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 06, 2021, 02:56:05 PM
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Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG
 The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
 
 I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".
 
 The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:
 
 "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.
 
 I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. "
 . . .
 Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:
 
 "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
 
 Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).
 
 In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"
 
 Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".
 
 The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.
 
 The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.
 
 Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.
 
 The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."
 
 The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.
 
 So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.
 
 We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.
 
 The twelve first slaves were:
 
 1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
 2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
 3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
 4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
 5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
 6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
 7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
  Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
 9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
 10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
 11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
 12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.
 
 
 https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/ (https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/)







:laugh2: This is mad stuff.








Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 06, 2021, 09:41:34 PM
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John William Horvat
[th]Birth[/th]


28 Oct 1921
Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA
[th]Death[/th]


12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
[th]Burial [/th]


Leavenworth National Cemetery (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/109419/leavenworth-national-cemetery)
Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
[th]Memorial ID[/th]


113735296 · View Source (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#source)

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John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com

Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013






wow.  she came across so honest...
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 07, 2021, 01:05:04 AM
:laugh2: This is mad stuff.
Nope. Just a bunch of lies being spread by one particular cathinfo member who has a reputation for slandering the one group responsible for bringing forth, and who is still spreading the devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.
Now the devil doesn’t want that, so this kind of thing is to be expected. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 07, 2021, 10:51:38 AM
Nope. Just a bunch of lies being spread by one particular cathinfo member who has a reputation for slandering the one group responsible for bringing forth, and who is still spreading the devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.
Now the devil doesn’t want that, so this kind of thing is to be expected.
if this doesn't seem "mad" to you, you need REAL help.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 08, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
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John William Horvat
[th]Birth[/th]


28 Oct 1921
Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA
[th]Death[/th]


12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
[th]Burial [/th]


Leavenworth National Cemetery (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/109419/leavenworth-national-cemetery)
Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
[th]Memorial ID[/th]


113735296 · View Source (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#source)

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John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com

Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013






The evidence shows that Marian lied.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 08, 2021, 04:27:44 PM
Madness is an understatement, this is downright an anti-catholic sect!










Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 08, 2021, 06:36:31 PM
Madness is an understatement, this is downright an anti-catholic sect!
Yes. Weird and anti-Catholic pretending to be Catholic.

https://youtu.be/eD6AwpYFaL4 (https://youtu.be/eD6AwpYFaL4)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 09, 2021, 01:40:16 PM
Fr. Wiest is in the hospital with covid and not doing well.  Please pray for him.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 09, 2021, 01:56:43 PM
:pray:
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 09, 2021, 02:15:32 PM
Fr. Wiest is in the hospital with covid and not doing well.  Please pray for him.
:pray: for sure.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 09, 2021, 06:50:22 PM
Fr. Wiest is in the hospital with covid and not doing well.  Please pray for him.
Also pray for Fr. Perez who also tested positive for Covid.
And pray for Fr. Starbuck who now has to do the work of all three priests.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 05:23:46 PM
The evidence shows that Marian lied.
So Marian Horvat of the TIA cult and John Horvat of the TFP cult are siblings.
What happened to the poster who said otherwise?
Crickets?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 08:32:58 PM
So Marian Horvat of the TIA cult and John Horvat of the TFP cult are siblings.
What happened to the poster who said otherwise?
Crickets?
see reply #148: "wow.  she came across so honest..."
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 08:50:26 PM
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.?  or "Fr."  It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 09:10:05 PM
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.?  or "Fr." 
What has been posted so far is certainly enough to raise serious questions about Wiest, but it is far from definitive proof.
In all the time that has been spent on this have any of you looked further into his background? His family? Contacted any of them to ask for details? A little searching on the ol' interwebs brought up several family connections to persue. It seems the least you could do if your going to keep pushing this.
As long as were at it I have to ask, do you ever ask yourself "what if I'm wrong about this"?

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It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.
Hardly.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 10:03:20 PM
It looks like the pictures of Wiest with the rhubarb was in 2020.  If he were a priest then, I'm quite sure he would have been identified as such. He's definitely  being presented as a layman. Now in 2021 he's at OLHC as a priest.  And you need more proof?!  Men don't become real priests in months. It takes years. Also has anyone been able to see his credentials?  As I've said - what more proof do you need?!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 10:18:58 PM
It looks like the pictures of Wiest with the rhubarb was in 2020.  If he were a priest then, I'm quite sure he would have been identified as such. He's definitely  being presented as a layman. Now in 2021 he's at OLHC as a priest.  And you need more proof?!  Men don't become real priests in months. It takes years. Also has anyone been able to see his credentials?  As I've said - what more proof do you need?!

Would anyone guess that this is a Priest? Nevertheless he is.

(https://i.imgur.com/IsaBf9E.png)

I hope that if you are ever in court the judge and/or jury have a higher standard for what constitutes proof than you do.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2021, 11:59:21 PM
You neglected to post the caption of the picture or the story so how do we know that he's a priest?  Just because you say he is?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2021, 12:28:23 AM
It is a picture of Karol Wojtyła, better known as John Paul II. While it is debatable if he was the Pope, there is little doubt that he was validly ordained a Priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2021, 12:48:52 AM
You're completely missing the point of proof.  According to you we need to check his family & creds.  So you believe that Wiest is a priest?  That's fine - the rest of us don't. 
So that's Karol W.  So what?  How does that figure in with Wiest?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2021, 07:49:53 AM
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.?  or "Fr."  It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.
So, you found him in lay clothing last year and he was found a very few years ago OPENING a buddhist junk shop (God knows how long it lasted).  Not proof enough, in my mind that he is not a priest.

A decade or more ago I went on a little vacation.  I met a very nice man and we talked at length about the Catholic Church.  He was a maronite Catholic.  Near the end of our conversation he told me he was a priest!  He said he always wears lay clothing while on vacation so he is not inundated with people asking for this and that, much like a celebrity.  He said he normally wears a cassock.

So, Wiest may have the same idea...

I am not saying he IS a priest, and I am not saying he ISN'T.  I am only saying there is still some doubt.

His having OPENED a Buddhist junk shop a very few years ago is more proof to me than the lay clothing last year, and even then it is STILL possible he is a priest.  How many priests did b. slupski ordain without so much as year of training?

His Buddhist altar in his home is real cause for concern, but that is also not proof he is not a priest. 

What the rhubarb, junk shop, altar, refusing to provide docuмentation, etc does prove is that he is someone to stay away from.

You need more concrete proof before calling him "Mr.", for if you are mistaken think of the detraction and scandal you have caused.

(And no, I am not Wiest.  I am the one who found his Buddhist junk shop.)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
I apologize - It's Tradition In Action that is friends with Perez  & not Traditio. :fryingpan:    I'm very sorry & hope I caught this in time before too many read it.
Not to worry, the errors in this thread are myriad. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.?  or "Fr."  It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.
Agreed. Also, we know his pattern for lying.

He refuses to show any docuмentation that he is a priest.

He wants to work with altar boys alone but refuses to show his drivers license so his records can be checked.

He was posing as a layman months before he arrived at OLHC and no records exist anywhere of a priest with the name he is currently using. Not only is he unable to prove he is Fr. Wiest; he cannot even prove he is Mr. Michael Wiest.

Either he lying about meeting Fr. Perez in Rome and staying with him for several days or he was lying when he changed his story to having met him in a small town outside Florence on his way to Slovakia and spending one night.

He was caught in another lie when he misquoted Our Lady of Fatima as saying the miracle of the Sun would happen again. She never said that. He then went on to say that he himself had seen this miracle the week prior to his sermon.

He was caught in another lie when he said the Buddhist altar in his home was not an altar, but rather a family heirloom, a museum piece. Others have researched the components of an altar to worship the false god Buddha and his altar checks all the boxes: mirror to communicate with the dead ancestors, the white candles, flowers and the antique Chinese table on which his pagan altar rests.

His other lies are well-docuмented on this thread, which raises the question. Why should we believe the rumors that he has Covid and is in Anaheim Memorial Hospital? Someone called the hospital last week and he was not a patient there. So where is he?

Also someone is spreading lies about Father Starbuck. Hmm, might this be him?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2021, 02:28:54 PM
A minor point also --  In one of his sermons he said that discalced means 'no socks'!! I kid you not!!  The man is not a priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 10:39:31 AM
Not to worry, the errors in this thread are myriad.
Except for the photographic evidence
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 10:58:09 AM
On another thread, I posted this:
(https://www.cathinfo.com/Themes/DeepBlue/images/post/xx.gif)


Late-night ER visit: forced to wait outside in cold night air with COPD (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/late-night-er-visit-forced-to-wait-outside-in-cold-night-air-with-copd/msg780284/#msg780284)
« on: October 26, 2021, 01:17:56 PM »

Last night at 9:30 p.m., I was driven to the ER and taken to the outdoor check-in area in a wheelchair while on supplemental oxygen.

When asked about the vaccination, I said I had natural immunity because I had recovered from covid. As a result, my caretaker and I were forced to wait outside. For the two hours we were there, 40 people who came after us were screened and allowed to go indoors where it was warm and well-lit with comfortable seating and clean bathrooms.

It was dark, damp, cold and had a filthy outhouse. IOW, we were discriminated against on the basis of our religious objection to the abortion-tainted vaccine.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This incident occurred at Kaiser Anaheim, the same hospital where UNVACCINATED Father Starbuck was NOT permitted to give Extreme Unction to Father Perez. This is the same exact hospital policy which affected me. NO ONE is permitted into the wards, nor into the ER without a vaccine.

Father Starbuck argued and talked to supervisors and administrators to try to get in to give the sacraments to Father Perez. Father Starbuck asked if Father Perez's bed could temporarily be moved to an area of the hospital unaffected by that policy. The hospital would not relent. It was left to a VACCINATED  priest to go in to give the sacraments.

Calumny against Fr. Starbuck are now being spread by Wiest supporters. Their latest lie is that Father Starbuck was afraid to go into the hospital. They have no shame. They lie because their father is the father of lies.

Please pray for Father Starbuck. Ever since his sermon last Sunday on calumny, they are attacking him with vengeance.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 01:01:18 PM
On another thread, I posted this:
(https://www.cathinfo.com/Themes/DeepBlue/images/post/xx.gif)


Late-night ER visit: forced to wait outside in cold night air with COPD (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/late-night-er-visit-forced-to-wait-outside-in-cold-night-air-with-copd/msg780284/#msg780284)
« on: October 26, 2021, 01:17:56 PM »

Last night at 9:30 p.m., I was driven to the ER and taken to the outdoor check-in area in a wheelchair while on supplemental oxygen.

When asked about the vaccination, I said I had natural immunity because I had recovered from covid. As a result, my caretaker and I were forced to wait outside. For the two hours we were there, 40 people who came after us were screened and allowed to go indoors where it was warm and well-lit with comfortable seating and clean bathrooms.

It was dark, damp, cold and had a filthy outhouse. IOW, we were discriminated against on the basis of our religious objection to the abortion-tainted vaccine.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This incident occurred at Kaiser Anaheim, the same hospital where UNVACCINATED Father Starbuck was NOT permitted to give Extreme Unction to Father Perez. This is the same exact hospital policy which affected me. NO ONE is permitted into the wards, nor into the ER without a vaccine.

Father Starbuck argued and talked to supervisors and administrators to try to get in to give the sacraments to Father Perez. Father Starbuck asked if Father Perez's bed could temporarily be moved to an area of the hospital unaffected by that policy. The hospital would not relent. It was left to a VACCINATED  priest to go in to give the sacraments.

Calumny against Fr. Starbuck are now being spread by Wiest supporters. Their latest lie is that Father Starbuck was afraid to go into the hospital. They have no shame. They lie because their father is the father of lies.

Please pray for Father Starbuck. Ever since his sermon last Sunday on calumny, they are attacking him with vengeance.
You left out the role played by Tradition in Action, who are cheerleaders for Mr. Wiest and the root of lies being told about Fr. Starbuck. Other than TIA's involvement, how can it be explained that 3 weeks after Mr. Wiest came to OLHC, Mr. Wiest began telling chapel members "We need to get rid of Fr. Starbuck" (who has been serving OLHC for 14 years.) Their goal is to morph OLHC into a blend of Pfiefferville West along with a center for their Plinio cult complete with photos of Plinio and his mother prominently displayed along with Wednesday night devotions to Plinio's mother in a mockery of an authentic Litany to Our Lady. 
Title: The thread that will never die!
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on November 15, 2021, 01:08:59 PM

I finally found a good use for changing the thread title. :laugh1:
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Matthew on November 15, 2021, 01:13:19 PM

Quote from: Änσnymσus (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=63680.msg784506#msg784506) 11/14/2021, 2:28:54 PM
A minor point also --  In one of his sermons he said that discalced means 'no socks'!! I kid you not!!  The man is not a priest.

That's not a good sign.  I learned "calceamentum" (Latin for "shoe") by osmosis just being at the Seminary -- it must have been in one of the Psalms. Really, I didn't read the dictionary or use a "daily word in Latin" app -- there were no smartphones back then.

This priest's Latin skills are in question.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 02:00:32 PM
"priest"??
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
This priest's Latin skills are in question.
If only the problem were poor Latin. Continual lying, manipulation, gossiping, calumny, Buddha worship, posing as a layman or posing as a priest, claiming to have had apparitions as a child, claiming that Our Lady said something she did not say, claiming that he saw a "miracle" of the sun. These serious issues are destroying the chapel.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Prayerful on November 15, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
It is a picture of Karol Wojtyła, better known as John Paul II. While it is debatable if he was the Pope, there is little doubt that he was validly ordained a Priest.
Pius XII made him auxiliary bishop of Krakow in 1958, surely one of the Pope's last appointments. The picture seems a clear example of the modern way Conciliar priests tend to hide their priesthood off duty, has a long precedent.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 07:33:24 PM
You're completely missing the point of proof.  According to you we need to check his family & creds.  So you believe that Wiest is a priest?  That's fine - the rest of us don't. 
So that's Karol W.  So what?  How does that figure in with Wiest?
What you or I believe is irrelevant as to whether Wiest is or is not a Priest. The ONLY thing that determines that is if he was validly ordained, PERIOD.
As to the point of the picture of JP2 in lay clothes: the "proof" that you gave had to do with Wiest in lay clothes and not identified as a Priest in the picture. JP2 is certainly a Priest (Bishop) and wearing lay clothes, and the other million scandalous things that he did, do not change that fact.
Some things that are cause for alarm have been brought forward by you and others (thank you for that) but the reason that you are getting push-back from me about this is because you are ADAMANT that he is not only NOT a Priest, but that the rest of the world must hold your opinion as an absolute certainty as well. I hate to be the one to break it to you (not really, it's just a saying) but you haven't done enough investigation, or at least you haven't shared it with us, about his ordination, or lack thereof, to be certain about it. Much less do you have ANY authority to bind anyone else to your opinion. 
  You come across as either someone who doesn't understand distinctions very well or as someone with a personal grudge (against Wiest, Perez, or others) who is desperate to get revenge.

 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 08:01:47 PM
On another thread, I posted this:
(https://www.cathinfo.com/Themes/DeepBlue/images/post/xx.gif)


Late-night ER visit: forced to wait outside in cold night air with COPD (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/late-night-er-visit-forced-to-wait-outside-in-cold-night-air-with-copd/msg780284/#msg780284)
« on: October 26, 2021, 01:17:56 PM »

Last night at 9:30 p.m., I was driven to the ER and taken to the outdoor check-in area in a wheelchair while on supplemental oxygen.

When asked about the vaccination, I said I had natural immunity because I had recovered from covid. As a result, my caretaker and I were forced to wait outside. For the two hours we were there, 40 people who came after us were screened and allowed to go indoors where it was warm and well-lit with comfortable seating and clean bathrooms.

It was dark, damp, cold and had a filthy outhouse. IOW, we were discriminated against on the basis of our religious objection to the abortion-tainted vaccine.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This incident occurred at Kaiser Anaheim, the same hospital where UNVACCINATED Father Starbuck was NOT permitted to give Extreme Unction to Father Perez. This is the same exact hospital policy which affected me. NO ONE is permitted into the wards, nor into the ER without a vaccine.

Father Starbuck argued and talked to supervisors and administrators to try to get in to give the sacraments to Father Perez. Father Starbuck asked if Father Perez's bed could temporarily be moved to an area of the hospital unaffected by that policy. The hospital would not relent. It was left to a VACCINATED  priest to go in to give the sacraments.

Calumny against Fr. Starbuck are now being spread by Wiest supporters. Their latest lie is that Father Starbuck was afraid to go into the hospital. They have no shame. They lie because their father is the father of lies.

Please pray for Father Starbuck. Ever since his sermon last Sunday on calumny, they are attacking him with vengeance.
How awful!
Poor Fr. Starbuck.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2021, 08:05:53 PM
You left out the role played by Tradition in Action, who are cheerleaders for Mr. Wiest and the root of lies being told about Fr. Starbuck. Other than TIA's involvement, how can it be explained that 3 weeks after Mr. Wiest came to OLHC, Mr. Wiest began telling chapel members "We need to get rid of Fr. Starbuck" (who has been serving OLHC for 14 years.) Their goal is to morph OLHC into a blend of Pfiefferville West along with a center for their Plinio cult complete with photos of Plinio and his mother prominently displayed along with Wednesday night devotions to Plinio's mother in a mockery of an authentic Litany to Our Lady.
Wiest, Croisette, OLMC, TIA all against Fr. Starbuck?

sounds like Perez may be going down if he doesn't make it out of the hospital and clean up OLHC soon. 

what a nightmare.  Fr. Schell is turning over in his grave.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected. 

Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.

Dear Parishioners,

Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians.  I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks.  Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass.  After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy.  He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary.  After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary.  Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family.  This was a notable development.  In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks.  This will begin immediately.  The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed.  Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility.  Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
 
Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could  become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass.  At the present time, I feel fine.  Please keep me in your prayers.  You, of course, remain in mine.
 
In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
  Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies...
May God have mercy on you if it turns out that you, Anonymous, are the one spreading the lies.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 01:25:20 PM
OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected.

Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.

Dear Parishioners,

Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians.  I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks.  Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass.  After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy.  He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary.  After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary.  Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family.  This was a notable development.  In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks.  This will begin immediately.  The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed.  Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility.  Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
 
Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could  become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass.  At the present time, I feel fine.  Please keep me in your prayers.  You, of course, remain in mine.
 
In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck
God bless fr. Starbuck. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 04:19:16 PM
May God have mercy on you if it turns out that you, Anonymous, are the one spreading the lies.
Are you a member of OLHC?
Do you even know what the lies being spread are?
Did you listen to Father Starbuck's sermon on calumny?
Have you looked at the docuмents and photographic evidence on this thread?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 04:19:51 PM
God bless fr. Starbuck.
Amen.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 06:19:24 PM
Are you a member of OLHC?
Do you even know what the lies being spread are?
Did you listen to Father Starbuck's sermon on calumny?
Have you looked at the docuмents and photographic evidence on this thread?
Your first three questions are irrelevant and/or dodging the crux of the matter.

Yes, out of sheer morbid curiosity I have read all the posts and looked at the evidence, not only in this thread, but in the numerous others that have been created as well.

The question that is the crux of all these threads is simple: is Wiest a Priest? As I explained yesterday the ONLY thing that determines whether Wiest is a Priest or not is if he was validly ordained. PERIOD. It wouldn't matter if you had a picture of him wearing a pink tutu; has the man been validly ordained?

I do not hold an opinion about Wiest's ordination, or lack thereof, I require solid evidence to make a judgement. Some of the things that have been posted should make everyone at least a bit suspicious of him, but nothing brought forward so far supports demanding that everyone call him "Mr.".

Claims have been repeatedly made that Weist refuses to show docuмentation or discuss the matter.
Claims have been repeatedly made that Perez neglected to obtain proof of Wiest's ordination.
Many claims, but when questioned whether you have personally asked for proof, you don't give a direct yes or no, you just complain about how hard Perez is to talk to or some other lame excuse. From that I have to conclude that the true answer is "no, I have not personally, directly asked Wiest or Perez for proof".

I entered into this when you publicly labelled Wiest an "orgy fan" and an "orgy lover". The only "proof" that you presented to support this claim is two e-mail addresses attributed to Wiest from an internet search. As I stated at the time, I searched my own name and found errors, including an erroneous e-mail address. If you want another example of how erroneous an internet search can be find the thread where someone searched Matthew's name and the results were way off. (it was something like, Matthew has a dozen employees and assets in the millions).
I bring this up to demonstrate that you are very prone to making serious accusations without sufficient evidence to support them. At some point that practice becomes a serious sin and I'm not going to encourage you to sin nor turn a blind eye to it.
Now I don't know if you are just emotionally overwrought and unable to think clearly or if you are malicious. If it is an emotional problem I pray that our Lord, through our Lady, grant you healing.
If you are malicious: Ipse Venena Bibas


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 07:52:11 PM
Your first three questions are irrelevant and/or dodging the crux of the matter.

Yes, out of sheer morbid curiosity I have read all the posts and looked at the evidence, not only in this thread, but in the numerous others that have been created as well.

The question that is the crux of all these threads is simple: is Wiest a Priest? As I explained yesterday the ONLY thing that determines whether Wiest is a Priest or not is if he was validly ordained. PERIOD. It wouldn't matter if you had a picture of him wearing a pink tutu; has the man been validly ordained?

I do not hold an opinion about Wiest's ordination, or lack thereof, I require solid evidence to make a judgement. Some of the things that have been posted should make everyone at least a bit suspicious of him, but nothing brought forward so far supports demanding that everyone call him "Mr.".

Claims have been repeatedly made that Weist refuses to show docuмentation or discuss the matter.
Claims have been repeatedly made that Perez neglected to obtain proof of Wiest's ordination.
Many claims, but when questioned whether you have personally asked for proof, you don't give a direct yes or no, you just complain about how hard Perez is to talk to or some other lame excuse. From that I have to conclude that the true answer is "no, I have not personally, directly asked Wiest or Perez for proof".

I entered into this when you publicly labelled Wiest an "orgy fan" and an "orgy lover". The only "proof" that you presented to support this claim is two e-mail addresses attributed to Wiest from an internet search. As I stated at the time, I searched my own name and found errors, including an erroneous e-mail address. If you want another example of how erroneous an internet search can be find the thread where someone searched Matthew's name and the results were way off. (it was something like, Matthew has a dozen employees and assets in the millions).
I bring this up to demonstrate that you are very prone to making serious accusations without sufficient evidence to support them. At some point that practice becomes a serious sin and I'm not going to encourage you to sin nor turn a blind eye to it.
Now I don't know if you are just emotionally overwrought and unable to think clearly or if you are malicious. If it is an emotional problem I pray that our Lord, through our Lady, grant you healing.
If you are malicious: Ipse Venena Bibas
I tend to agree with you on this one.

However, the evidence is enough for me to say that Wiest is certainly someone to avoid 100%, priest or not.

It also seems to me that Fr. Perez needs to vet who he allows on the altar more carefully.  That is, if he has any say in the matter, as he may be controlled by the "board".

Fr. Schell never liked the idea of a "board", God rest his soul, but he saw no way around it.
Title: More crap nobody cares about.
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 16, 2021, 08:35:40 PM
Fixed this one for you too.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 17, 2021, 04:48:15 PM
I tend to agree with you on this one.

However, the evidence is enough for me to say that Wiest is certainly someone to avoid 100%, priest or not.

It also seems to me that Fr. Perez needs to vet who he allows on the altar more carefully.  That is, if he has any say in the matter, as he may be controlled by the "board".

Fr. Schell never liked the idea of a "board", God rest his soul, but he saw no way around it.
Yes. Father Schell, may he rest in peace, based on the best-available information at the time, thought it would be best for the school to own the Church, rather than the Church to own the school. Well-intended decisions often have unintended consequences.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 17, 2021, 05:13:55 PM
Yes. Father Schell, may he rest in peace, based on the best-available information at the time, thought it would be best for the school to own the Church, rather than the Church to own the school. Well-intended decisions often have unintended consequences.
Indeed.
so Perez may not have much muscle.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 17, 2021, 11:21:19 PM
I think, by your response, that you are unfamiliar with OLHC's history.  So allow me to clue you in.
This is a case of what came first - the chicken or the egg.  Apparently you believe that the church came first & so should own the school.  In fact it was the other way around.  This group of Catholics had a school in the beginning with no set building until they got a house in Garden Grove.  They were attached to Fr. Schell who had no set building, but would attend his Mass in public school gyms.  They had a School Board of sorts with a Principal.

Then this property with a school & church came on the market & they bought it.  The Principal remained the same & it looks to me like the Principal was also in charge of the whole property.  Fr. Shell brought Fr. Perez on board while they were still having Mass in the public school gym. Fr. Schell died after they moved to the new property, & that left Fr. Perez the principle priest but the Principal & the original people on the school board were in charge of the whole property.  It looks to me like the people in charge have some say in any priests that come there, but you would think that Fr. Perez would or should vet the priests & I hardly think that the people in charge would have fought his decisions.  Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!

The moral of this story is --  don't blame the School board for the mess at the church.  That was Fr. Perez's job & responsibility & he was too busy with worldly things to bother with it.  Yes, I know much more but you should be able to get the picture.


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 02:03:40 AM
Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!
Excuse me, but your information is not correct. 

Fr. Perez did not purchase his own home, rather, it was purchased for him by his parents.

This does not excuse him, in my eyes. He should still be living in a proper rectory on the Church premises, but so should Fr. Starbuck. They ought to be living in community, praying the Divine Office together and observing some kind of life in common.

Fr. Wiest is another story. He came to the church early this year, February or March I believe, when the good Monsignor was having a surgery. We had the impression he would only be staying a short time; instead, he has become a fixture at OLHC, for better or worse...

I tend to say for worse, because even though I've been away from California for several months, I've been following Fr. Wiest's antics on this forum with interest. He is making himself into a questionable figure when he could resolve doubts by being more transparent. 

It would be better for Wiest if he preached a sermon from a book instead of his extemporaneous theorizing. The same goes for Perez and to a lesser extent Fr. Starbuck. The 40 minute sermons there, if you can call them that, are very hard to bear. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 01:58:03 PM
Excuse me, but your information is not correct.

Fr. Perez did not purchase his own home, rather, it was purchased for him by his parents.

This does not excuse him, in my eyes. He should still be living in a proper rectory on the Church premises, but so should Fr. Starbuck. They ought to be living in community, praying the Divine Office together and observing some kind of life in common.

Fr. Wiest is another story. He came to the church early this year, February or March I believe, when the good Monsignor was having a surgery. We had the impression he would only be staying a short time; instead, he has become a fixture at OLHC, for better or worse...

I tend to say for worse, because even though I've been away from California for several months, I've been following Fr. Wiest's antics on this forum with interest. He is making himself into a questionable figure when he could resolve doubts by being more transparent.

It would be better for Wiest if he preached a sermon from a book instead of his extemporaneous theorizing. The same goes for Perez and to a lesser extent Fr. Starbuck. The 40 minute sermons there, if you can call them that, are very hard to bear.
Thank you for your balanced comment regarding OLHC and the Fr’s there. 

I have never been to this church, nor do I know any parishioners or the priests there. I have been following this story hoping it would pan out at some point, but some of the comments have been extremely vicious in nature, and many of the posts left a bad taste, so I found myself actually rooting for the underdogs. 

Honestly, if there had been even an ounce of charity in those who were posting their concerns about such things, there would be a lot more sympathy from others here. 
Sadly, those anonymous ones who are lacking that Catholic prudence and charity have shown that even after correction of their error, they refuse to learn, so this post will also fall on their deaf ears too. 

It is a tragedy Fr Perez was sick and now has passed away while this train wreck was going on over here. We can only hope it ends here and now. 
I sincerely pray that Fr Wiest has received the Last Sacraments and is on his way to recovery so he can have the chance to clear his name. Whether he chooses to or not is up to him, but while he is ill, and could be on deaths door, we all need to leave this alone. 
The people of this church have already lost Mass for a period of time. I hope they have an alternative chapel to get the Sacraments.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 02:04:17 PM
Thank you for your balanced comment regarding OLHC and the Fr’s there.

I have never been to this church, nor do I know any parishioners or the priests there. I have been following this story hoping it would pan out at some point, but some of the comments have been extremely vicious in nature, and many of the posts left a bad taste, so I found myself actually rooting for the underdogs.

Honestly, if there had been even an ounce of charity in those who were posting their concerns about such things, there would be a lot more sympathy from others here.
Sadly, those anonymous ones who are lacking that Catholic prudence and charity have shown that even after correction of their error, they refuse to learn, so this post will also fall on their deaf ears too.

It is a tragedy Fr Perez was sick and now has passed away while this train wreck was going on over here. We can only hope it ends here and now.
I sincerely pray that Fr Wiest has received the Last Sacraments and is on his way to recovery so he can have the chance to clear his name. Whether he chooses to or not is up to him, but while he is ill, and could be on deaths door, we all need to leave this alone.
The people of this church have already lost Mass for a period of time. I hope they have an alternative chapel to get the Sacraments. 
Thank you, I think that of all the posts on this subject that this is the best by far!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 02:37:17 PM
..  Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!

The moral of this story is --  don't blame the School board for the mess at the church.  That was Fr. Perez's job & responsibility & he was too busy with worldly things to bother with it. 
Um no, Fr. Perez never "bought a large house for himself." Father Perez lived in a trailer park for many years until his parents needed assistance. At that time he moved back to their family home to help both of them with their health problems. When one parent passed away and the other parent went up north to stay with Fr. Perez's sister, Fr. Perez stayed in his family home. Fr. Perez has repeatedly failed to vet priests who some to OLHC (pederast Colletti, Pfiefferville pseudo-priest, and now Mr. Wiest who refuses to show ordination papers.) But let's not make false charges against him.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 03:03:22 PM
Fr. Perez has repeatedly failed to vet priests who some to OLHC (pederast Colletti, Pfiefferville pseudo-priest, and now Mr. Wiest who refuses to show ordination papers.) But let's not make false charges against him.
The guy just died. Get on your broom and head back to your coven.

Ipse Venena Bibas
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
I checked the Deed to the house shortly after it was purchased & Fr. Perez's name & his parents names were on the Deed.  Now whether the parents paid the cash for it & Fr. paid nothing, the fact remains that his name is on the house & he wanted to live away from the church.  That was my main point.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2021, 05:36:55 PM
Anon 2:37 where on earth did you get all that wrong info?!  Fr. Perez did live in a trailer park but did NOT move back to the family home as the family lived in San Jose!  His father passed away in San Jose & the mother & sister still live there.  Sentence 3 & 4 are completely wrong, as is the end part of the second sentence!!!!  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Todd The Trad on November 20, 2021, 04:03:19 PM
I haven't read every last thing on this thread, so please excuse me if this question was already answered, but who has Father Wiest refused to show his ordination papers to? Has anyone actually confronted Father Wiest? If so, what did he say? Did anyone talk to Father Perez or Starbuck about this issue? If so, what did they say? 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: trad123 on January 12, 2022, 09:52:44 PM
Apologies for bumping this thread, but there are the following two emails:

bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com


Apparently tied to a Michael Wiest with addresses in both Phoenix, AZ and Three Oak, MI.


Arizona address is listed as 11029 N 42nd St, Phoenix, Az.


There is an image of a car on Google Street View. Image is dated as January 2021.


Is the image of the car, shown below, at all familiar?



Nuwber Fact File photo:

https://cdn.nuwber.com/fact-file/Michael-Wiest-563a2456a219445d526eb923.png


Nuwber website with information:


https://nuwber.com/person/563a2456a219445d526eb923



(https://i.ibb.co/94dShg0/Michael-Wiest-563a2456a219445d526eb923.png)









(https://i.ibb.co/9VTRdSv/car-image.jpg)






Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 12, 2022, 10:06:12 PM
Interesting that two of those email addresses have his name spelled with "ei" instead of "ie". 

I believe the correct spelling of his name is Wiest, not Weist. The photos posted on these threads of him in the antique shop in Michigan are all of a Michael Wiest, as well as the other background information. 

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 12, 2022, 10:31:40 PM
Just by chance I was listening to one of the taped OLHC masses, and "Fr." Wiest stated the following:


Time stamp at 25:01



Quote
On the day of my ordination in Rome, in 1997, I had holy cards printed. . .




OLHC - 4th Sunday after Easter


https://youtu.be/nWdq02PI7fA?t=1501


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Matthew on January 12, 2022, 10:34:34 PM
Interesting that two of those email addresses have his name spelled with "ei" instead of "ie".

I believe the correct spelling of his name is Wiest, not Weist. The photos posted on these threads of him in the antique shop in Michigan are all of a Michael Wiest, as well as the other background information.

Uh... that might be, but I would do some research to confirm this Fr. Weist/Wiest is really a priest. You don't want to be attending "masses" where you worship bread, and heaven help you if you go to "confession" with a mortal sin on your soul! 

I don't think your rebuttal is strong enough to cast aside fears and doubts about this "priest" who could very well be a layman. Caveat emptor.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 08:08:35 AM
Apologies for bumping this thread, but there are the following two emails:

bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com


Apparently tied to a Michael Wiest with addresses in both Phoenix, AZ and Three Oak, MI.


Arizona address is listed as 11029 N 42nd St, Phoenix, Az.


There is an image of a car on Google Street View. Image is dated as January 2021.


Is the image of the car, shown below, at all familiar?



Nuwber Fact File photo:

https://cdn.nuwber.com/fact-file/Michael-Wiest-563a2456a219445d526eb923.png


Nuwber website with information:


https://nuwber.com/person/563a2456a219445d526eb923



(https://i.ibb.co/94dShg0/Michael-Wiest-563a2456a219445d526eb923.png)









(https://i.ibb.co/9VTRdSv/car-image.jpg)
If you look at the link you posted, it lists 
Associated people

Wayne L Wight (https://nuwber.com/person/563a2ba6cf00835c7f99ff16) (2016)


if you click on that name, it lists 
Wayne L Wight from Itasca, IL

Age: 60 years old

Also known as:
 

Mr Wayne L Wiest, Mr Wayne Wiest

brother?
Maybe Wiest's real name is Wight?

If you look at the email addresses listed:
Email addresses

bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
mweist@juno.com



"esq"?  did he present himself as an attorney at some time?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 09:03:28 AM
That Arizona home @ 11029 N 42nd st. Is owned by the estate of Norman Lee Wiest and Lorraine Wiest.
Both deceased, and they had a Son named Michael. 
One more piece of the puzzle.

Though I know nothing of this chapel, all the correspondence here leads me to believe the root issue is that Wiest has has managed to back the board into a corner from which they cannot extricate themselves without huge exposure to liability.
IOW, he now "owns' them.

BTW, an email beginning containing "bacchinale" ought to be screaming alarm bells all over.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
Uh... that might be, but I would do some research to confirm this Fr. Weist/Wiest is really a priest. You don't want to be attending "masses" where you worship bread, and heaven help you if you go to "confession" with a mortal sin on your soul!

I don't think your rebuttal is strong enough to cast aside fears and doubts about this "priest" who could very well be a layman. Caveat emptor.
I didn't intend my post to be any kind of a "rebuttal". Nothing of the sort. Just pointing out the confusing cloud that seems to hover over WiestNo, his real name is Michael WIEST and that's been pretty firmly established in the three or four threads that are dealing with this issue. The man pictured in the antique shop in Three Oaks, Michigan in 2015 is without a doubt the same "Fr." Wiest who is now at OLHC. He says himself in the story linked below that he owned another shop between 2008-2010 and presumedly owned the Eclipse shop from 2010 onward, at least until 2015. 

I simply want to know where he went to seminary, when he was ordained, and BY WHOM he was ordained. That's vital information that all these people who attend Mass there etc really should be able to know. We don't have priests in the Catholic Church with secret histories, except when they're ministering in persecuted nations under deep cover. Garden Grove doesn't apply there.

Just clear it up and make it public. What's the problem with that simple request??

https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/eclipse-shop-in-three-oaks-filled-with-treasures/article_63387aae-97f5-5004-b9bc-710fdf373563.html


(https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/eclipse-shop-in-three-oaks-filled-with-treasures/article_63387aae-97f5-5004-b9bc-710fdf373563.html)https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/90/e90f67de-d862-5b7c-8a86-30d5f3328fc7/584b3b29d25db.image.jpg (https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/90/e90f67de-d862-5b7c-8a86-30d5f3328fc7/584b3b29d25db.image.jpg)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 12:00:28 PM
Just to add to my post above: I would love to do some research into his history as a priest, but there's absolutely NOTHING available anywhere to answer these questions. Nothing. Zip, zero, nada. 

As I've said before, it's a simple matter for the chapel to clear this up. Either he has a docuмented history as a priest, or not. The only thing publicly available besides names, phone numbers, and the like, is his history as the owner of an antique shop in Michigan, and a photo of him at some county fair holding a rhubarb.

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 01:17:19 PM
Just by chance I was listening to one of the taped OLHC masses, and "Fr." Wiest stated the following:


Time stamp at 25:01
On the day of my ordination in Rome, in 1997, I had holy cards printed. .

OLHC - 4th Sunday after Easter

https://youtu.be/nWdq02PI7fA?t=1501
Nothing he says is to be trusted.
He has repeatedly contradicted himself from the pulpit.
 
His age was 48,
no 58.

He had testicular cancer his last year of high school,
no it was his last year of law school at Yale.

He first met Father Perez in Rome when he had nowhere to stay,
no he first met Father Perez in a small town 30 minutes east of Florence on his way to Slovakia.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 02:11:18 PM
Is this the same Michael Wiest? This photo is from Three Oaks, Michigan in June 2020. Look at photo 2 of 5 and his name is in the caption.

https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 02:16:33 PM
This has all been brought up before

https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/one-place-for-photos-of-buddha-worshipping-orgy-fan-mr-wiest/
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 13, 2022, 08:38:32 PM
Is this the same Michael Wiest? This photo is from Three Oaks, Michigan in June 2020. Look at photo 2 of 5 and his name is in the caption.

https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg)
Yes this is the same Wiest currently at OLHC
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 14, 2022, 05:19:37 PM
Yes this is the same Wiest currently at OLHC

This is from the same newspaper: Harbor Country News. In this one Mr. Wiest shows off his antique Chinese Buddha statues and other antique Chinese items, which are similar to, but not the exact same ones as shown in his Buddhist altar in his home.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 22, 2022, 08:44:34 PM
Any updates of the status of "Fr." Michael Wiest?  Is he still hearing confessions and saying Mass without having been vetted by the "School Board?"  Do we know yet where he was ordained, when and what bishop ordained him  Do we know where he has been serving as a priest for the past 20 years or so?  Why does Padre Pio Academy "School Board" allow this to go on without vetting "Fr." Michael Wiest?  Why does he continue to vehemently refuse to show his drivers license when ask to do so because its the law if he is working with children (alter boys).  Why is there NO MICHAEL WIEST ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET?  Any updates?  Is he still there?  Imagine how the faithful would feel if they realized that they have been made fools of by going to someone for confession, Mass WHO IS NOT A PRIEST!  The Class Action Law Suit will be massive against OLHC, Padre Pio Academy and "The Board!"  Updates anyone??
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 23, 2022, 07:10:37 AM
Any updates of the status of "Fr." Michael Wiest?  Is he still hearing confessions and saying Mass without having been vetted by the "School Board?"  Do we know yet where he was ordained, when and what bishop ordained him  Do we know where he has been serving as a priest for the past 20 years or so?  Why does Padre Pio Academy "School Board" allow this to go on without vetting "Fr." Michael Wiest?  Why does he continue to vehemently refuse to show his drivers license when ask to do so because its the law if he is working with children (alter boys).  Why is there NO MICHAEL WIEST ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET?  Any updates?  Is he still there?  Imagine how the faithful would feel if they realized that they have been made fools of by going to someone for confession, Mass WHO IS NOT A PRIEST!  The Class Action Law Suit will be massive against OLHC, Padre Pio Academy and "The Board!"  Updates anyone??
see reply #322 here:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/olhc-laypersons-attempting-to-take-over-chapel-censor-father-starbuck'es-sermon/msg803049/#msg803049

I should have a little time next month I could dedicate to searching for info about wiest.  Just takes in-depth googling  a few emails and a few phone calls.

Catholic Action is what OLHC needs.  Let's go!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 23, 2022, 07:18:15 AM
see reply #322 here:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/olhc-laypersons-attempting-to-take-over-chapel-censor-father-starbuck'es-sermon/msg803049/#msg803049

I should have a little time next month I could dedicate to searching for info about wiest.  Just takes in-depth googling  a few emails and a few phone calls.

Catholic Action is what OLHC needs.  Let's go!
i know several chapels where there are and were phony priests.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 23, 2022, 03:46:58 PM

I should have a little time next month I could dedicate to searching for info about wiest.  Just takes in-depth googling  a few emails and a few phone calls.

When you research, also check out "Bishop" Terrance/ Terrence/ Terance Fulham, friend and protector of pederast ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Father Marshall Roberts and friend of Pfeiffer.

Fulham was found to be married and have children (work backwards from the death certificate and you will find his marriage certificates). Shortly after he was discovered to be married and have children, he was supposedly found "dead." How convenient for a man who needed a new life and an new name.

Fulham ran two small chapels, each of which had one TLM a month, St. Michael the Archangel and Our Lady of Fatima. A slush fund called "Friends of St. Michael the Archangel Chapel" did not disband and disburse the funds when Fulham supposedly died, but several years later in December of 2020 (right before Wiest/Weist showed up at OLHC).

If you go to the newspaper link on Wiest's Chinese junk store and get his phone number, you can do a reverse search to find all the properties Wiest bought in Jan. 2021 when he was evidently flush with cash.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 23, 2022, 10:08:04 PM
When you research, also check out "Bishop" Terrance/ Terrence/ Terance Fulham, friend and protector of pederast ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Father Marshall Roberts and friend of Pfeiffer.

Fulham was found to be married and have children (work backwards from the death certificate and you will find his marriage certificates). Shortly after he was discovered to be married and have children, he was supposedly found "dead." How convenient for a man who needed a new life and an new name.

Fulham ran two small chapels, each of which had one TLM a month, St. Michael the Archangel and Our Lady of Fatima. A slush fund called "Friends of St. Michael the Archangel Chapel" did not disband and disburse the funds when Fulham supposedly died, but several years later in December of 2020 (right before Wiest/Weist showed up at OLHC).

If you go to the newspaper link on Wiest's Chinese junk store and get his phone number, you can do a reverse search to find all the properties Wiest bought in Jan. 2021 when he was evidently flush with cash.
pretty damning evidence.
sounds like you have done the work for me.
please post the data.

should be easy enough to get a body exhumed to see if there is someone in fulhams casket or not.

also  if friends of st. Michael's was a 501c3, all their records are required to be open to the public.  who the funds went to should be listed somewhere.

Mr. Pfeiffer (no relation of Fr. Pfeiffer) is an attorney and was fighting a legal battle Fr. Pfeiffer and Mr. Hernandez (aka Pablo) filed against him for statements he made against Fr. Roberts.  As far as I know the case is still ongoing. (it is discussed on cathinfo somewhere).

Perhaps Mr. Pfeiffer would be willing to help you find where the funds went and get a casket exhumed.

What priest owns properties????

Roberts works under Fr. Pfeiffer in AZ now.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2022, 06:40:01 AM

Herein is the reason Father Starbuck was not present for the 2021 Christmas Masses at OLHC. This is the actual sermon he gave at the 7:30 and 10:00 a.m. Masses Sunday December 19th at OLHC.

However, before the following sermon, here is some shocking history of what occurred at the December 19th 7:30 a.m. Mass.  A "man" who violently banged on the confession door while Father was hearing confessions was no other than the usher from the 7:30 a.m. Mass "Joel Iddings." MR. IDDINGS IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE OLHC SCHOOL BOARD!  He yelled at Father "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE NEXT 10:00 MASS!"  Father was terrorized by this psychological "assault."*  Father actually felt threatened and fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  Mr. Iddings then  ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon again (contained within).  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

Sources in the parish had informed me that this individual had ordered Father Starbuck to not come on church property (after December 19th) and to not attempt to say the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at all this coming Christmas week!  In addition, Mr. Iddings then threatened that if Father Starbuck were to come on the property of OLHC again, he would personally see to it that Father would be arrested for trespassing! The injustice and nerve of this "man" who knew that Father Starbuck had faithfully served in the "Chapel" for 15 years and to threaten Father like this mere days before Christmas is the most cruel Un-Catholic sacrilegious "Judas" act of betrayal!!

Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

"Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

"The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action (like viciously banging on the door of the confessional while Father is hearing confessions) that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist [or like violently banging on the door of a confessional while a priest is hearing confession] might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.  Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result."
This despicable "man"  "Joel Iddings" sacrilegious act must be held accountable for the  "psychological assault" he perpetrated against Father Starbuck!

What makes this "psychological assault" even more treacherous is that Father is a gentle, Christ-like, charitable, loving and giving priest!

Why was today's live-streamed 10 a.m. Mass blacked out? Below is the sermon given by Father Starbuck at the 7:30 Mass. He also gave it at the 10 a.m. Mass which was to be live-streamed on You Tube.

Again, Father did give the sermon, however for unexplained reasons, the sermon was not videotaped and live-streamed at the usual 10 a.m. Mass as it always is. 

Here is the actual sermon Fr. Starbuck gave on Sunday 19 December 2021:

"I had a sermon prepared for this morning. However,there are some matters of business that do not allow ofdeferral. Therefore, I will present that sermon at a later time.

I have always tried to be truthful and to do the right thing. And sometimes I have paid a price for that. But please know this about me: I will always try to be honest with you and to fulfill my commitment to you as a public servant and as a priest. I want to begin by saying that these past five weeks of my life have been like no others. My vocation is not a job. It demands my every moment, and my every commitment, but this is especially so these past few weeks. And this on top
of so much recent loss. I have given 15 years now ofmy life to this parish (a quarter of my life), and I was hoping to spend the remainder of my years here. I still hope that is possible. Over these years, I have rolled with the punches, & endured intricate/delicate, indeed,often complex situations. I have held my own. But when Fr. Perez died, there was only one person here who would rightfully have pastoral seniority to succeed him; and, like it or not, that is me.

But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple. Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right. And while there are fine people on this board who engender
my complete respect, the cohesion and leadership of this lay incorporation has been problematic. Nor do I see it being able to work. I did make it clear that I will not serve under another “pastor.” At the same time, I have wanted to  facilitate the transition that the church is undergoing at least through the end of the year. That has been my desire.

I do not take my marching orders from laypeople. And I cannot, as a priest, answer to competing voices on a lay board.
And moreover, as a priest, my credibility, leadership,and moral responsibility could be jeopardized if a
situation not yet addressed in this parish is allowed to continue. My continuous requests for the vetting of priests serving in this parish have not & are not being met. We have had a couple of “priests” coming through here whose ordination I found questionable (based on information that later became available), and we have had at least one priest who had no business being here. Yes, mistakes were made (albeit, not on my part), and we should have learned from them.

Five years ago, I proposed to Fr. Perez the following specific requirements of any priest serving in this parish. And they are the following:

1. A criminal background check with ID, performed by a reputable third party, meeting state complacency. Also, the background check that I am requesting is not just a clearance check. It must consist of a positive trace of the person’s history.

2. References.

3. A chronological work history.

4. Proof of ordination. And I want to know the ordaining bishop, seminary, and formational contacts. And just for your information, as a Dominican I underwent thorough background checks and continuous vetting over a period of seven years. And I lived under a virtual microscope 24 hours a day during that time. Moreover, my background is not hidden. My formation and ordination can be found on the Internet. They are public.

Of note, a request that I made of Fr. Perez last summer got dragged out, & and was never completed. And if I do not say something now, this situation will never be addressed. Let me ask a question. If you hired someone to work on your house, would you not want references? Or if you sent your children to a day care center, would you not want references? This is the house of God. Can we be any less responsible?

So here is what I am asking: A priest is a public person. Let me repeat that: A priest is a public person. Therefore, with due respect to all parties involved & a presumption of good will on the part of all, I am asking that the vetting of Fr. Wiest be completed, and that the results of that vetting process, including proof of ordination be made public.

The problem is that there is no public life of any Fr.Michael Wiest (I know this in part, not just because it cannot be found on the internet, but because I actually had a professional investigator call me one day to inform me of this. He was completely puzzled.) there is no public life of any Fr. Michael Wiest who was born in Chicago, ordained in Italy, and who served in any parish or diocese during these past 30 or so years.

There is no public record of ministry. There is no record of pastoral assignments. In short, there is no
such public person. And the fact that there is no such public person does not just amount to an absence of information, it amounts to a fact that demands explanation. It is a problem. And for this reason many in this parish question his ordination. For his own benefit we need to answer this  question. And we need to know the credentials of any priest serving in this parish. That is not asking too much.

Finally, while I do not acknowledge the ecclesial authority of a lay board, if one is to exist, it must be cohesive, charitable, and committed to the principles of the Catholic faith. And if the parishioners of this church are unhappy with this arrangement, perhaps they need to consider another option, perhaps the appointment of a new board which they feel represents them. But with all due respect, I just do not see this lay board being able to resolve effectively the problems this parish faces, or to find a clear path forward. And FYI, this lay board represents the interests of the school (PPA) and not of the church.

Additionally, I do know that the board is considering (interviewing) priests who celebrate Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this
church. May I remind you of some of the problems of this Missal (?):
Revised rite of Holy Week. The famous writer Evelyn Waugh considered the revision of Holy Week to be an extremely disappointing loss.

The introduction of red on Good Friday and Communion of the faithful were arbitrary and capricious, and miss the fundamental (essential) point of the liturgy (i.e., the Mass of the Pre-Sanctified). It omits Second Confiteor.  It omits numerous octaves, and accordingly significant vigils.

It omits significant feasts, such as January 1: (the Feast of the Circuмcision). The theological
significance: Christ is the fulfillment of the law!
It introduces the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker (as a concession to the tenets of socialism)  It omits Commemorations.

The Passion Narrative during Holy Week is considered to be the Gospel reading. A theological fiction.  Feasts of important saints are haphazardly &arbitrarily moved, making it confusing even to a priest to follow this new ordo.  Feasts of historically momentous saints are suppressed.
St. Joseph is introduced to the Canon. Notably: This is the only change to the Canon since the time of St. Gregory the Great. Why such an introduction? And if
this is admitted, then any change can be made to the Canon of the Mass. And the theological significance: St. Joseph was not a martyr, an exception to the list of those saints who appear in the Canon.

It is inadequate to argue that there are no doctrinal problems with this Missal, as does the SSPX. It is a deviation from the lex orandi, it is theologically iinadequate, & it is misguided in numerous respect

And even if you believe that the 1962 Roman Missal is okay, how could we serve the needs of this parish in requiring people to attend daily Mass with two missals, perhaps not knowing which priest is celebrating that day, not to mention the cost to those with less money?

And finally, finding a priest who observes and understands tradition in the same way as Fr. Perez and myself is a virtually impossible task. You will likely either encounter a sedevacantist or a modernist (who says: “Yes I celebrate the traditional ‘extraordinary form of the Roman rite’ in Latin.”, as if there could be such thing). So I advise a great note of caution in introducing any priest to this parish.

These are my concerns. You may respond as you see fitting & appropriate. However we proceed going forward, I call for civility & charity, for listening and understanding, and for a prayerful and thoughtful approach from all parties involved.

Finally, while it is not my custom, I am willing to make a transcript of these words available in a PDF file for circulation, so that my words are clear for everyone’s understanding, for those who are absent, and for the public record. I do not have the time to send this out as a response to every email inquiry. But if someone could assist me in making it available, I am glad to provide a PDF file for circulation."



Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2022, 10:50:03 AM
pretty damning evidence.
sounds like you have done the work for me.
please post the data.

should be easy enough to get a body exhumed to see if there is someone in fulhams casket or not.

also  if friends of st. Michael's was a 501c3, all their records are required to be open to the public.  who the funds went to should be listed somewhere.

Mr. Pfeiffer (no relation of Fr. Pfeiffer) is an attorney and was fighting a legal battle Fr. Pfeiffer and Mr. Hernandez (aka Pablo) filed against him for statements he made against Fr. Roberts.  As far as I know the case is still ongoing. (it is discussed on cathinfo somewhere).

Perhaps Mr. Pfeiffer would be willing to help you find where the funds went and get a casket exhumed.

What priest owns properties????

Roberts works under Fr. Pfeiffer in AZ now.
start with the search box here on Cath Info: Wiest  Weist Fulham
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2022, 12:51:59 PM



should be easy enough to get a body exhumed to see if there is someone in fulhams casket or not.


:confused::confused::confused: If you sneak in at night and dig him up yourself it's pretty easy, but to do it legally is another matter entirely. You would either need the permission of the (alleged) decedent's next of kin or a criminal case in which a judge orders an exhumation.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2022, 06:50:49 PM
For pity's sake would somebody just call the police instead of dragging this out? 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2022, 08:51:41 PM
Could CI member SUPPORTFRSTARBUCK please stop posting the same post over and over again on the same three OLHC threads! We get it, we see it, WE KNOW. The threads aren’t going to die there’s too many people wanting to know the truth and are following the story. Just please bring us some new information or don’t bother posting! It makes it useless to check knowing it’s the same thing again and again :facepalm:
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
For pity's sake would somebody just call the police instead of dragging this out?
AMEN!!  It must be someone who attends/attended the chapel/school.
Call the police, the attorney generals office, the CA school board, or any/all of these agencies:
https://advokids.org/protect-california-children/

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/ss/ap/

https://protectourkidsnow.org/

https://www.alliancetpc.org/

https://www.thesotolawgroup.com/estate-planning/protect-your-kids/

There are so many other organizations you can call to out the heat on olhc.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 01:32:50 PM
Message from The Board

Hi everyone  - Tonight, Wednesday, Jan. 26, the school board of PPA is having a meeting in Fr. Schell Hall at 7pm - it's regarding the passing of Monsignor, his wishes, and the priests at OLHC - This meeting was originally open to only the PPA parents (who were informed this past Monday) but now, per Jennifer Martin  and Marsha Odou, has been opened up to the whole parish - the board  is leaving it up to word-of-mouth, thus my message here - please pass along this message to any other Parishioners that you know and who might be interested in attending - Thank you!

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 10:43:53 PM


To the anonymous "We" Individual:

Point well taken (regarding repetition) .  However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!  My last post dealt with NEW rumors/news related to this issue that there is some sort of "Letter" available with the OLHC "School Board."  My valid NEW post/commentary is relevant & appropriate to the topic of this thread and these new rumors.  What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter?  Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments here, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?" BTY, why are you specifically monitoring and are vitally interested in all my postings on all 3 OLHC related threads "anonymously."  Tell us WHO YOU ARE!

The following commentary IS relevant to the matter at hand.  "Judging by the conscienceless, cruel, base, unjust, and what I believe evil behavior of "The School Board" and their un-Catholic, uncharitable treatment of Fr. Starbuck , I do not trust nor do I believe in some dubious "hand-written" note purportedly written by Father Perez!  All of a sudden, we're supposed to believe that there is suddenly this magical "proof" letter  and that Father Perez turned his back and betrayed Fr. Starbuck's 15 years service at OLHC. I don't believe that Fr. Perez would have done such an injustice to Father Starbuck.

SO, I SAY -- PROVE IT BY HAVING THE LETTER EXAMINED BY A HANDWRITING EXPERT - COMPARING IT TO PAST HANDWRITING (NOT FROM AN EXAMPLE FROM OLHC'S POSSESSION) OF FR. PEREZ!!

1)  By immediately publicly publishing the letter and fixing a hard copy to each OLHC bulletin for all the OLHC faithful to have in their possession!

2) By hiring an impartial, unbiased, legally notarized handwriting expert!  He should be given access to this purportedly "hand-written letter" and compare it to other established past known hand written examples of Fr. Perez's handwriting!

Like St. Thomas - I DON'T BELIEVE IT until I see it!  Judging by the school boards conscienceless, cruel & base behavior, why should I trust them? I believe they have broken "trust" with the OLHC faithfull!"



"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
For the things that are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of.
But all things that are reproved, are made manifest by the light; for all that
is made manifest is light.
Wherefore he saith: Rise thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead:
and Christ shall enlighten thee."

Ephesians 5:11-14

Douay Rheims Version



Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2022, 11:00:07 PM

To the anonymous "We" Individual:

Point well taken (regarding repetition) .  However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here! 
I'm not the

Quote
anonymous "We" Individual:
and I want to put this in as kindly a manner as possible.

GOOD LORD, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!
Repeating everything 3+ times is NOT going to undo any injustice that has been done so why not find a productive and helpful way to channel you're righteous indignation?

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 27, 2022, 06:22:46 AM

 What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter?  Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments here, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?" BTY, why are you specifically monitoring and are vitally interested in all my postings on all 3 OLHC related threads "anonymously."  Tell us WHO YOU ARE!
back at 'cha...

You continue posting ad nauseum about such injustices, but you have you taken any action yourself?  What you need is serious Catholic Action to save YOUR chapel, YOUR school and YOUR children.

Call the police, the attorney generals office, the CA school board, or any/all of these agencies:
https://advokids.org/protect-california-children/ (https://advokids.org/protect-california-children/)

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/ss/ap/ (https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/ss/ap/)

https://protectourkidsnow.org/ (https://protectourkidsnow.org/)

https://www.alliancetpc.org/ (https://www.alliancetpc.org/)

https://www.thesotolawgroup.com/estate-planning/protect-your-kids/ (https://www.thesotolawgroup.com/estate-planning/protect-your-kids/)

There are so many other organizations you can call to put the heat on olhc. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 27, 2022, 08:55:26 PM
Instead of pontificating what people should do to correct this, have YOU contacted any of these authorities yourself? The question that someone has presented to you here is "What relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed here?"

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 27, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
It was a tough split for OLHC and Fr Starbuck. A lot of people with their emotions running high, perhaps said and did things they have since regretted. Wounds were very raw after losing Fr Perez, and so unexpectedly. Deaths of loved ones are always tough on families, and parish families also. 
Would it be too soon to say that Fr Starbuck is now doing quite well under the circuмstances? He is well loved, has much support from laity, to the point of needing three Masses to serve them all! 
The people lost one priest, but God didn’t send them away empty handed.

Perhaps I’m already used to the catacombs that it already seems so simple to me for a priest to set up just about anywhere for a Mass. 
I had the joy once of having Mass said in my own living room at home years ago. What a gift..that ONE MASS. 

Let them have their chapel building, you have a priest in Fr Starbuck. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Cera on January 28, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 02:34:14 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
Interesting.
from your link:
Quote
1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16):  Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18):  Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
1969:  The last remaining member of the Order of the Celestial Messenger died.
1971:  The nuns started the Little Sisters School for disabled children.
1987:  Schweikert consecrated Theodore Rematt bishop. As Schweikert was very ill, Rematt was nominated his co-adjutor and successor.
1988 (May 29):  Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
So, however weird it is, Wiest might actually be validly ordained.

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 02:47:56 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:12:26 PM


"GOOD LORD, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!
So why not find a productive and helpful way to channel you're righteous indignation?"

Take a deep breath friend.  Have you been taking your medication this week, lol
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:19:27 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
So Weist is NOT a Catholic priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:20:31 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
so he's NOT a Catholic priest.
pretry convenient he lost his driver's license....
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:22:37 PM
The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.
He isn't a Catholic priest and you should run the other way.  He has no business on the grounds of OLHC in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 03:54:55 PM
He isn't a Catholic priest and you should run the other way.  He has no business on the grounds of OLHC in any way, shape, or form.
I agree with
Quote
you should run the other way

but you may very well be incorrect about
Quote
He isn't a Catholic priest
https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/10/13/what-is-the-old-catholic-church/
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:05:01 PM
I agree with
but you may very well be incorrect abouthttps://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/10/13/what-is-the-old-catholic-church/
Tell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:
Does it mean that he can have a Buddhist shrine at home?
Does it mean it is okay that he wants to be alone with altar kids without even properly identifying himself?
Does it mean it is okay to have someone in a position of authority with these suspicions be right next to the school kids without proper identification? 

There is a reason why there is a thread discussing weirdness from this man claiming to be a priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:17:33 PM
I agree with
but you may very well be incorrect abouthttps://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/10/13/what-is-the-old-catholic-church/
too squishy for me....  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:19:22 PM
Tell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:
Does it mean that he can have a Buddhist shrine at home?
Does it mean it is okay that he wants to be alone with altar kids without even properly identifying himself?
Does it mean it is okay to have someone in a position of authority with these suspicions be right next to the school kids without proper identification?

There is a reason why there is a thread discussing weirdness from this man claiming to be a priest.
right.

his squishy and questionable background, combined with his Buddhist home altar, Buddhist junk shop, and what you posted above is enough for me to declare "no way!".
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:30:07 PM
The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license
, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.
Evidently the school board asked him and he said he lost it.
To the school board, that was the end of the story.

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
Tell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:
Does it mean that he can have a Buddhist shrine at home?
Does it mean it is okay that he wants to be alone with altar kids without even properly identifying himself?
Does it mean it is okay to have someone in a position of authority with these suspicions be right next to the school kids without proper identification?

There is a reason why there is a thread discussing weirdness from this man claiming to be a priest.
That has zero to do with validity. Do you understand the distinction? A man may indeed be downright evil but still confer valid sacraments. I have not seen anyone here, including me, claim that he is a good priest or that he should not be investigated, or that anyone should receive sacraments from him.
If he is a priest, he should be addressed as Father, not to honor him but to honor HIM.
If he is a priest, he would be an option in an emergency situation. If I were near death and my choices were no priest or valid but weird priest guess what? I would choose the weirdo.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:36:05 PM
Interesting.
from your link:So, however weird it is, Wiest might actually be validly ordained.
Wiest is obviously not a priest.

Do you buy into the following? (from the link)

"Jesus personally ordained Abbatetto the priesthood and God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello." (Reincarnation?)

Did you miss this part?

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, "Archbishop" Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by "Archbishop" Rematt.

None of them were valid: not Abbate, not Schweikert, not Rematt and not Wiest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:37:42 PM
It was a tough split for OLHC and Fr Starbuck. A lot of people with their emotions running high, perhaps said and did things they have since regretted. Wounds were very raw after losing Fr Perez, and so unexpectedly. Deaths of loved ones are always tough on families, and parish families also.
Would it be too soon to say that Fr Starbuck is now doing quite well under the circuмstances? He is well loved, has much support from laity, to the point of needing three Masses to serve them all!
The people lost one priest, but God didn’t send them away empty handed.

Perhaps I’m already used to the catacombs that it already seems so simple to me for a priest to set up just about anywhere for a Mass.
I had the joy once of having Mass said in my own living room at home years ago. What a gift..that ONE MASS.

Let them have their chapel building, you have a priest in Fr Starbuck.
Beautifully said.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:42:24 PM
Wiest is obviously not a priest.

Do you buy into the following? (from the link)

"Jesus personally ordained Abbatetto the priesthood and God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello." (Reincarnation?)

Did you miss this part?

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, "Archbishop" Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by "Archbishop" Rematt.

None of them were valid: not Abbate, not Schweikert, not Rematt and not Wiest.
Abbate did NOT ordain Schweikert. Read it again.
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:44:55 PM
Abbate did NOT ordain Schweikert. Read it again.
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
1955 (June 4):  John E. Schweikert was ordained a priest in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1958 (June 8):  Schweikert was consecrated a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1963 (October 13):  Abbate died, and Marianna Monachino, the Mother General of The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated, took over the administration of the New Jerusalem Church.
1964–1965?:  The Mother General approached the Roman Catholic Diocese of Chicago, trying to convince them to send a priest who could administer the sacraments in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16):  Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18):  Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.

Learn the distinction between weird, evil, bad, etc. and valid.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
Interesting.
from your link:
Quote
Quote
1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.

Two problems with Wiest:
1. The Old Catholic Church is NOT Catholic.
2. The "line" he is from is an Abbate cult.


What  follows is from the same link:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
(N.B. Written by supporters of the Abbate cult)/

n 1919, Abbate’s New Jerusalem Catholic was incorporated by the State of Illinois. The trust agreement which was appended to the application included clauses on the church organization and Abbate’s role in it. The New Jerusalem Catholic Church was defined as a hierarchical organization governed by a single individual, Giuseppe Maria Abbate. He was “the sole Trustee of the Church,” and the docuмent underlined his absolute authority and his uniqueness as the divinely elect Celestial Messenger and the Celestial Father. Although he might have successors as the church leader, none would have the same elevated status that he had.

As a way to counteract Abbate and his Church, in 1919, the Roman Catholics inaugurated the St. Callistus parish at 2167 DeKalb Street, just a few blocks away from the New Jerusalem Church headquarters, which was pastored by Italian clergy. The Archdiocese explicitly stated that the foundation was a reaction to the local presence of Abbate and his congregation. Moreover, on Sundays and feast days, Roman Catholic clergy stood outside the Celestial Father’s Church telling the faithful that they were automatically excommunicated if they attended the religious services there.

1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenge

Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I

Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet, the school board expects us to accept that Rematt  "ordained" Wiest?
No wonder neither he nor they concocted this story until now.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:14:40 PM
That has zero to do with validity. Do you understand the distinction? A man may indeed be downright evil but still confer valid sacraments. I have not seen anyone here, including me, claim that he is a good priest or that he should not be investigated, or that anyone should receive sacraments from him.
If he is a priest, he should be addressed as Father, not to honor him but to honor HIM.
If he is a priest, he would be an option in an emergency situation. If I were near death and my choices were no priest or valid but weird priest guess what? I would choose the weirdo.
That is a big If, at the center of this whole issue. And yes I understand the distinction but I don't think you see the severity of the problem. Let me stress this point, kids are potentially in danger by having someone with a position of authority be around them without being properly identified, not just as a priest but as any grown adult would have in position of authority before children, whether it be a teacher, principal on in this case including a priest, etc. that has that level of access to children and trust from children. I'm not accusing him of anything, just making an observation that having that position of authority could be abused and I would hope that said position of authority would be scrutinized.

How can he defend, protect and impart the faith while doing things that could endanger the faith? Now a chapel is divided over this. I doubt a good priest that understands the privilege of the priesthood would let all these questions about his validity and basic identification clutter the minds of his sheep making them scatter.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:16:27 PM
Interesting.
from your link:
Quote
Two problems with Wiest:
1. The Old Catholic Church is NOT Catholic.
2. The "line" he is from is an Abbate cult.


What  follows is from the same link:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
(N.B. Written by supporters of the Abbate cult)/

n 1919, Abbate’s New Jerusalem Catholic was incorporated by the State of Illinois. The trust agreement which was appended to the application included clauses on the church organization and Abbate’s role in it. The New Jerusalem Catholic Church was defined as a hierarchical organization governed by a single individual, Giuseppe Maria Abbate. He was “the sole Trustee of the Church,” and the docuмent underlined his absolute authority and his uniqueness as the divinely elect Celestial Messenger and the Celestial Father. Although he might have successors as the church leader, none would have the same elevated status that he had.

As a way to counteract Abbate and his Church, in 1919, the Roman Catholics inaugurated the St. Callistus parish at 2167 DeKalb Street, just a few blocks away from the New Jerusalem Church headquarters, which was pastored by Italian clergy. The Archdiocese explicitly stated that the foundation was a reaction to the local presence of Abbate and his congregation. Moreover, on Sundays and feast days, Roman Catholic clergy stood outside the Celestial Father’s Church telling the faithful that they were automatically excommunicated if they attended the religious services there.

1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenge

Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I

Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet, the school board expects us to accept that Rematt  "ordained" Wiest?
No wonder neither he nor they concocted this story until now.
1) Sacraments from the Old Catholics, including Holy Orders, are generally considered valid, just like Eastern Orthodox.
2) You edited the quote (accidentally, I'm sure), here's the full one:

Quote
1955 (June 4):  John E. Schweikert was ordained a priest in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1958 (June 8):  Schweikert was consecrated a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1963 (October 13):  Abbate died, and Marianna Monachino, the Mother General of The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated, took over the administration of the New Jerusalem Church.
1964–1965?:  The Mother General approached the Roman Catholic Diocese of Chicago, trying to convince them to send a priest who could administer the sacraments in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16):  Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18):  Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:18:50 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.



P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
Horrifying. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:24:10 PM
This is information on Rematt, the "Bishop" who supposedly "ordainded" Wiest. Please note that it is written by supporters of the Abbatte cult.

https://wrldrels.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/New-Jerusalem-Church.pdf

Theodore Rematt (1945–2016). When Rematt took over after Archbishop Schweikert’s death ...an anonymous woman contacted Rematt by telephone, .  she told him to go into a closet in one of the bedrooms of the rectory. There, behind a false panel, he would find all the proof he needed.

Behind the secret panel Rematt, indeed, encountered abundant docuмentation on the Padre Celeste and the history of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church of the Celestial Messenger: transcripts from his trials, (for sɛҳuąƖ abuse of young teen girls) affidavits of support, church publications, and photos. Rematt was shocked by what he read; the founder of the church had believed that he was God and he had been convicted for several serious crimes and declared criminally insane.

Rematt ... destroyed all the files. Later on, when other traces of Abbate and his activities were encountered, he ordered that they should be destroyed, as well.(This is called a cover-up.)

Rematt ... argued for legal continuity with the church Abbate founded in
1919, and that he, as Abbate’s legal successor was the sole trustee and
had absolute authority to make decisions, financial and otherwise.
($$$$$)


the journalist quoted Sister Maria Bernadette as saying:
"If this were the Roman Catholic Church, the nuns presumably could transfer to another convent beyond the jurisdiction with whom they were at loggerheads. But Sacred Heart of Jesus is suigeneris, a unique foundation established by Joseph Abbate"
(They were NOT Catholic.)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:25:05 PM
1) Sacraments from the Old Catholics, including Holy Orders, are generally considered valid, just like Eastern Orthodox.
2) You edited the quote (accidentally, I'm sure), here's the full one:
Nice try Mr. Wiest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:28:42 PM
That is a big If, at the center of this whole issue. And yes I understand the distinction but I don't think you see the severity of the problem. Let me stress this point, kids are potentially in danger by having someone with a position of authority be around them without being properly identified, not just as a priest but as any grown adult would have in position of authority before children, whether it be a teacher, principal on in this case including a priest, etc. that has that level of access to children and trust from children. I'm not accusing him of anything, just making an observation that having that position of authority could be abused and I would hope that said position of authority would be scrutinized.

How can he defend, protect and impart the faith while doing things that could endanger the faith? Now a chapel is divided over this. I doubt a good priest that understands the privilege of the priesthood would let all these questions about his validity and basic identification clutter the minds of his sheep making them scatter.
When did I or anyone else say that Fr. Wiest should be trusted with anything, especially children?

The reason that I bothered to get into this in the first place is because of the adamant insistence of some that Fr. Wiest is definitely not a priest and MUST be addressed as Mr.

The priesthood does not belong to the man who has received it, it is from God Himself. So even if I wouldn't trust the guy to mow my lawn, the priesthood MUST be respected. Is what I am trying to say a bit clearer now?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:31:59 PM
Nice try Mr. Wiest.
I'm not Wiest and I am not the one editing quotes. Come back when you can be more honest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:40:55 PM
Wiest is from the Abbate line.

In the link written by Abbate supporters:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

1922 (September 10):  Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.

1923:  Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.

1926:  Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.

1931:  Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.

1932:  The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.

In the link written by Abbate supporters, according to Abbate:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

“Christ entered his barbershop on Polk Street. Taking a seat in the barber’s chair, Christ asked Abbate if he knew Hebrew. Answering in the negative, Christ used Latin to state that God had chosen Abbate as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him to preach and found a church. On this occasion, Christ also ordained him to the priesthood so that he could fulfil this mission.

“he had a vision of an angel ... When Abbate walked out on the street, he was suddenly brought up in the air and realized that he was healed ...  he could have chosen to go to Heaven but decided to fulfil his mission on earth. Then God said “My divine authority is already in you”. To Abbate, it was a confirmation that be possessed divine powers, that he was omnipotent and omniscient.

“Apart from realizing that he possessed divine powers, Abbate somewhat later claimed that God had revealed that he had an extraterrestrial origin. He was born on Mars, a planet he described as sin-free and a place where the people showed great reverence for their creator. However, at the age of seven, he was run over by a chariot and died. After his death, Abbate traveled through the universe and came before God’s throne. ... an angel brought him to Isnello, where he was reborn in a Sicilian family. Later in life, Abbate made detailed drawings of Mars and its cities, and his travels through space..

“he maintained that he had caused the Spanish flu to combat human sinfulness and that he was responsible for the epidemic stalling. Moreover, he thought that if humanity only had submitted to his authority, the World War would have been halted, as he was the promised Prince of Peace."
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 05:57:20 PM
If Wiest had to have Monsignor Perez show him how to offer Mass and teach him the Latin as well, there is no way he would have been ordained by the Schweikert group. 

At one point Wiest claimed he was ordained in Italy, and now he is supposed to have been ordained by the “Old Catholics”?

Something isn’t smelling right.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:00:15 PM
Wiest is from the Abbate line.

In the link written by Abbate supporters:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

1922 (September 10):  Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.

1923:  Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.

1926:  Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.

1931:  Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.

1932:  The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.

In the link written by Abbate supporters, according to Abbate:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/

“Christ entered his barbershop on Polk Street. Taking a seat in the barber’s chair, Christ asked Abbate if he knew Hebrew. Answering in the negative, Christ used Latin to state that God had chosen Abbate as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him to preach and found a church. On this occasion, Christ also ordained him to the priesthood so that he could fulfil this mission.

“he had a vision of an angel ... When Abbate walked out on the street, he was suddenly brought up in the air and realized that he was healed ...  he could have chosen to go to Heaven but decided to fulfil his mission on earth. Then God said “My divine authority is already in you”. To Abbate, it was a confirmation that be possessed divine powers, that he was omnipotent and omniscient.

“Apart from realizing that he possessed divine powers, Abbate somewhat later claimed that God had revealed that he had an extraterrestrial origin. He was born on Mars, a planet he described as sin-free and a place where the people showed great reverence for their creator. However, at the age of seven, he was run over by a chariot and died. After his death, Abbate traveled through the universe and came before God’s throne. ... an angel brought him to Isnello, where he was reborn in a Sicilian family. Later in life, Abbate made detailed drawings of Mars and its cities, and his travels through space..

“he maintained that he had caused the Spanish flu to combat human sinfulness and that he was responsible for the epidemic stalling. Moreover, he thought that if humanity only had submitted to his authority, the World War would have been halted, as he was the promised Prince of Peace."
Traditional Catholicism does not need more pervs and nutjobs.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:07:31 PM
Wiest is from the Abbate line.
Flat out false, unless you are working from a different source.

Per the supplied link, Wiest is from the Schweikert line.

Schweikert was consecrated and ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church,

he then consecrated Rematt, who allegedly ordained Wiest.

The source given says that " Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration." so logically Rematt must have been ordained by someone other than Abbate.
Ergo, Wiest is not of the Abbate line.
He may be a weirdo, or much worse, but based on what has been given he is probably a priest.

1918:  Abbate consecrated Lumeno Monte a bishop.
1919 (May 2):  The New Jerusalem Catholic Church filed a Common Law Trust with the State of Illinois.
1922 (April 10):  The Sacred Heart of Jesus Church was damaged in a bomb attack.
1922 (September 10):  Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.
1923:  Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.
1925:  Abbate was released from the hospital.
1926:  The authorities investigated the New Jerusalem Catholic Church for tax evasion and seized Abbate’s crown and pectoral cross.
1926:  Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.
1931:  Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.
1932:  The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.
1933 (December):  Abbate was released from Elgin State Hospital but was soon forced to return.
1935 (June):  Abbate was released from the hospital for the last time.
1945:  The New Jerusalem Catholic Church members left their old house and moved their headquarters to the Old Irving Park area on the Northwest Side of Chicago. There they began to construct a separate church building, the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1955 (June 4):  John E. Schweikert was ordained a priest in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1958 (June 8):  Schweikert was consecrated a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1963 (October 13):  Abbate died, and Marianna Monachino, the Mother General of The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated, took over the administration of the New Jerusalem Church.
1964–1965?:  The Mother General approached the Roman Catholic Diocese of Chicago, trying to convince them to send a priest who could administer the sacraments in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1965:  By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16):  Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1):  The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18):  Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
1969:  The last remaining member of the Order of the Celestial Messenger died.
1971:  The nuns started the Little Sisters School for disabled children.
1987:  Schweikert consecrated Theodore Rematt bishop. As Schweikert was very ill, Rematt was nominated his co-adjutor and successor.
1988 (May 29):  Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
1989:  The Cathedral of the Sacred Heart was closed.
1990-1995. A series of legal processes took place between Archbishop Rematt on one side and the nuns and part of the church members on the other.
2004:  Archbishop Rematt left the Sacred Heart Cathedral, which was closed down and sold. The parishioners were scattered.


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:17:53 PM
When did I or anyone else say that Fr. Wiest should be trusted with anything, especially children?

The reason that I bothered to get into this in the first place is because of the adamant insistence of some that Fr. Wiest is definitely not a priest and MUST be addressed as Mr.

The priesthood does not belong to the man who has received it, it is from God Himself. So even if I wouldn't trust the guy to mow my lawn, the priesthood MUST be respected. Is what I am trying to say a bit clearer now?
Neither you, nor anyone else said that he should be trusted around children, I'm stating the fact is that he is around them. I made a statement, that people in position of authority should be subject to scrutiny before they are trusted around school children by themselves.

I agree with you, the priesthood must be respected and as such we should demand that anyone claiming to be a priest shows the same level of respect and reverence to the priesthood, presenting the proper docuмentation, identification and also by not having a buddhist shrine at home.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:18:33 PM
 from Time Magazine Monday, Dec. 20, 1937
http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,758685,00.html

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U. S. religious cultsters, practicing esoteric arts for the weak in spirit and confused in mind, have their quota of quacks and racketeers, their full share of psychotics. Last week in Chicago an egregious religionist, who in his time had attracted the notice of both police and psychiatrists, was discovered by the Chicago Times (tabloid) to be "doing business at the same old stand." He was Giuseppe Maria Abbate, 51, onetime convict, onetime maniac, known to his 100-odd present followers as the "Celestial Messenger."

"Padre" Abbate's people believe that he was not born of mortal parents but formed from "the ashes of Jesus Christ." Once he crowned the small daughter of one of his Italian-born parishioners, Mrs. Grace Ippolita, as "the Virgin Mary," instructing his followers to worship her. In 1923 the "Celestial Messenger" was convicted of ravishing a small girl, was adjudged insane. Convicted later of two more attacks, Abbate was occasionally in jail but always turned loose because of his original insanity. In the Elgin State Hospital (Illinois), where he spent two years, clad in clerical garb, Abbate became a prime exhibit for psychology classes from Chicago universities, readily telling students of the messages and visions he experienced. Last week "Padre" Abbate was installed once more, surrounded by men and women in monastic robes, in a three-story house containing his church and living quarters. He posed for photographers, wearing vestments resembling a bishop's and a mitre bearing cabalistic words, with one of his tonsured "monks" by his side. He held services for his people, giving them "the sacraments," for, as his housekeeper explained, "we are really a Roman Catholic church although we are not under the Pope." But when the press began getting too inquisitive, "Padre" Abbate secreted himself, had a sign put on the door: For Members Only.

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:20:46 PM
Abbate >  Schweikert >  Rematt > Wiest
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:20:56 PM
At one point Wiest claimed he was ordained in Italy, and now he is supposed to have been ordained by the “Old Catholics”?
Thank you for pointing that out. As the title says, more weirdness.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:31:09 PM

Yeah, right.  He can't find his license!

Should be "Red Flag"the  suspicious behavior that the meeting was abruptly ended with the turning out the lights and told the meeting was over where obviously some people had questions?  Also, wasn't it suspicious that there was only 6 hours notice of a upcoming meeting at 7:00 p.m?

IF we indeed find out that this man is not a priest, shouldn't those of us who trusted in the leadership of OLHC ("The Board) be angry, outraged and horrified to think that we the faithful were unknowingly suckered into this lie? 

What about those of us who went to confession to this individual and to think of the  possibility that this individual might not be a priest?  Shouldn't there be some serious consequences paid by the ("School Board") and this "Fr." Michael Wiest?  To think that we went to confession to him and it was possibility-  a lie!  What about being suckered into believing he was a priest and we did not IN FACT receive the Body and Blood of Christ  (IF TRUE) because he is not a validly ordained priest?  Isn't this in some way criminal and at least grounds for a class action suit from the faithful of OLHC against ("The Board") and Wiest?  Any lawyers here??
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 06:47:26 PM
Abbate >  Schweikert >  Rematt > Wiest
According to the sources given, Schweikert was NOT ordained or consecrated by Abbate.

 You either are having difficulty with comprehension or are being dishonest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 08:04:24 PM
According to the sources given, Schweikert was NOT ordained or consecrated by Abbate.

Abbate (who was NEVER ordained as a Catholic priest) handed the reins of his child-abusing cult over to Schweikert.

Schweikert continued to hold 100% financial control of the Abbate cult and continued to allow worship of Abbate.

Schwikert handed the reins over to Rematt,s who covered up the child rapes, the numerous insanity rulings, the numerous mental hospitalizations, the reincarnation, the trips to Mars, the drawings of life on Mars.

Rematt supposedly "ordained" Wiest.

Abbate  >  Schweikert  >  Rematt  >  Wiest (IF that is his real name.)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 09:04:29 PM
Abbate  >  Schweikert  >  Rematt  >  Wiest (IF that is his real name.)

I agree with Reply # 265

The line is to determine who consecrated or ordained who, to determine the lineage of orders. You're only including Abbate due to affiliation with the cult.

For the purposes of determining the "line" to Wiest, you can omit Abbate as the timeline given only lists him "consecrating" a certain Lumeno Monte in 1918.

Abbate died in 1963 and had no contact with Schweikert, and Schweikert was not in contact with this cult until 1965.
 


Schweikert  >  Rematt  >  Wiest

I would not trust the salvation of my soul to this "line".

There is no guarantee "Old Catholics" have an unbroken valid line of consecrations and ordinations. Even if the Old Catholics may have started out as an offshoot with a validly consecrated bishop, fallen away and excommunicated, there is no guarantee individuals throughout the years have maintained correct matter and form, and I would not rule out the possibly of human error.

The promise of apostolic succession, and furthermore guidance from the Holy Ghost, was only given to the Catholic Church. For the same reason I would not presume a Eastern schismatic "bishop" or "priest" to have valid orders. Yes it may have been ruled that if correct matter and form were kept that the orders would be valid, but I do not omit the possibly of human error creeping at certain points along the line, as it were.

Individuals could very well be receiving invalid sacraments from "Fr." Wiest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Ladislaus on January 28, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
For the same reason I would not presume a Eastern schismatic "bishop" or "priest" to have valid orders.

I disagree ... with distinctions.  Church has always considered Eastern schismatic orders from the main Orthodox churches to be valid ... because there's enough organization there to ensure the proper execution of the Sacraments.  Where I would get off the boat is with these loose "autocephalous' groups (such as the one from which Ambrose Moran allegedly derives).  There is where you'd have to trust individuals to have maintained the integrity of the Sacraments (vs. the larger and more formal churches).
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 09:51:44 PM
PDF attached below, and also available from Academia.edu


The Journal of Old Roman Catholic Studies, Volume 1

https://www.academia.edu/43917333/The_Journal_of_Old_Roman_Catholic_Studies_Volume_1



Page 5 and 6:



Quote
Carfora established the “North American Old Roman Catholic Diocese” in Chicago after his consecration as bishop by the Prince de Landes Berghes in 1916.

After a succession of pastors, Father Zigmunt K. Vipartas was hired at Holy Cross. Vipartas was ordained a priest by Orthodox Archbishop Solovej, a soap maker in the city of Montevideo, Uruguay in 1928.6 Vipartas was consecrated by Archbishop Carfora on August 15, 1944 for the Lithuanian community and specifically the church of Holy Cross in Westville, Illinois.

(. . .)

The next episcopal activity occurred in 1958, when Bishop John Schweikert was consecrated by Archbishop Richard Arthur Marchenna assisted by Bishop Vipartas. Bishop Schweikert listed other other people as his consecrators but this appears to be the most accurate.7 Bishop Vipartas previously ordained Schweikert on June 4, 1955. Schweikert continued as Vicar General under Archbishop Marchenna after his consecration, later departing from him and joining Archbishop Cyrus Starkey of Connecticut.

Note 7: Lundberg, M. & Craig, J. (2018). Giuseppe Maria Abbate: The Italian-American Celestial Messenger. Uppsala University.
            https://magnuslundbergblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/uppsala-studies-vol-7-lundberg-craig.pdf.




I do not know if "Bishop" Vipartas "co-consecrated" Schweikert with "Archbishop" Marchenna. It's unclear if "assisted" means co-consecrated or merely helping out.




Furthermore:

http://www.rosarychurch.net/history/canonical_ORCC.html



Quote
Archbishop Mathew consecrated Rudolph de Landas Berghes as Regionary Bishop of Scotland in June of 1913.



Furthermore:

https://www.oldromancatholicchicago.org/history.html




Quote
Bishop de Landes Berghes                                1917 - 1919

Archbishop Carmel Henry Carfora                 1919 - 1958

Bishop Sigismund Vipartas                              1958 - 1961

Archbishop John E. Schweikert                       1961 - 1988

Archbishop Theodore J. Rematt                      1988 - 2016





Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 09:59:34 PM
At one point Wiest claimed he was ordained in Italy, and now he is supposed to have been ordained by the “Old Catholics”?

Something isn’t smelling right.


There is no mention of Rematt performing ordinations in 1997 in Rome.


https://www.independentmovement.us/historical-docuмents/historical-bishops/historical-bishops-r/the-most-rev-theodore-j-rematt-od-osj/



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The Most Rev. Theodore J. Rematt, OD, OSJ

Most Rev. Theodore J. Rematt, OD, OSJ, 71, Patton, entered into eternal life Jan. 27, 2016, at UPMC Altoona Regional Hospital. Born Jan. 16, 1945, in Spangler, son of Joseph and Alice (Haffly) Rematt. Preceded in death by parents; brothers, Richard D. Rematt and infant brother, Kenneth; nephew, Bobby Rematt; sister-in-law, Elizabeth (Kane) Rematt; and brother-in-law, William Lann. Survived by brothers and sisters, Robert Rematt, Carrolltown; Diana (Elwyn) Tomkinson, Michigan; Donna Lann, Northern Cambria; Frances (Leo) McConnell, Northern Cambria; Thomas Rematt (Nancy Firment), Hastings; Penny (Ron) McMurray, Hastings; Josie (Harry) Costello, Homer City; and Debbie (Donny) Eagler, Cherry Tree; and many nieces and nephews. Also survived by longtime friend and caregiver, Bul Morales and his faithful companion, his dog, Wallace. A U.S. Navy veteran. Formerly employed as a banker in New Jersey for 25 years prior to entering the priesthood. He was ordained to the Holy Priesthood on May 28, 1982, and consecrated Bishop on June 22, 1987, by the Most Rev. John E. Schweikert in Colorado. After serving in the Chicago area for many years, Father Ted returned home in 2004, where he began SS. Lazarus, Martha and Mary Old Roman Catholic Church in the former St. Lawrence Catholic Church. Father Ted also served the area as chaplain for Horizons Hospice until 2015. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. Friday at Moriconi Funeral Home Inc., Northern Cambria, and from 9:30 a.m. until time of funeral Mass at 11 a.m. Saturday at SS. Lazarus, Martha and Mary Old Roman Catholic Church, the Most Rev. Bishop Louie Malazio and the Rev. Father Leonard Bealko, concelebrants. Interment, church cemetery. Military honors by local veterans organizations.

Bishpp Rematt was an Archbishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church for many years.



Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 10:07:18 PM
https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/more-weirdness-from-fr-michael-wiest-at-olhc/msg804343/#msg804343



And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.



Will a PDF copy of this letter be forthcoming from the school board?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2022, 10:50:31 PM
Perhaps I missed it, but does Wiest have a car?  Where does he live?  Does he live in the house where Fr. Perez lived?  If he drives, he's driving without a license.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2022, 12:34:39 PM
So even if one was to give Wiest the benefit of the doubt, that he was actually ordained by a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church, let's see what the NAORCC claims to believe:

https://www.naorcc.org/faq

If you read the docuмent, you will find that:

1. they ordain married priests. 

2. they will declare an "Ecclesiastical Divorce" for a couple when they experience, not the physical death of a spouse, but upon "the death of the marriage."

3. their version of the "Tridentine Mass" may be "celebrated in the vernacular tongue."

So under a best case scenario for "Fr. Wiest," he would need to publicly renounce any and all heretical positions that he once took as a priest of that NAORCC false Church and convert to authentic Catholicism. Why would anyone want to have such a person leading their Church?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2022, 12:39:34 PM
Perhaps I missed it, but does Wiest have a car?  Where does he live?  Does he live in the house where Fr. Perez lived?  If he drives, he's driving without a license. 
Yes he has a car. He lives with his Buddha altar in a home provided by those of us who have contributed to OLHC. Father Perez's family owned the home where he lived. Wiest is either driving without a license or driving with a license with a different name. Whoever he is, he is not a Catholic priest.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2022, 12:46:35 PM
So even if one was to give Wiest the benefit of the doubt, that he was actually ordained by a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church, let's see what the NAORCC claims to believe:

https://www.naorcc.org/faq

If you read the docuмent, you will find that:

1. they ordain married priests.

2. they will declare an "Ecclesiastical Divorce" for a couple when they experience, not the physical death of a spouse, but upon "the death of the marriage."

3. their version of the "Tridentine Mass" may be "celebrated in the vernacular tongue."

So under a best case scenario for "Fr. Wiest," he would need to publicly renounce any and all heretical positions that he once took as a priest of that NAORCC false Church and convert to authentic Catholicism. Why would anyone want to have such a person leading their Church?
You have hit on the main question. What is wrong with the school board that they continue to provide this imposter with a home and a salary? The school board has never asked him to explain why he was a layman, as seen in photos on this thread.

Was he pretending to be a layman when he was really a (heretical) priest?
Or is he pretending to be a (heretical) priest when he is really a layman?

Was he lying when he said he was ordained in Rome?
Or was he lying when he said he was ordained in the heretical North American Old Roman Catholic Church?
Or were they both lies?


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2022, 01:09:10 PM
Anonymous said:
when Bishop John Schweikert was consecrated by Archbishop Richard Arthur Marchenna assisted by Bishop Vipartas. Bishop Schweikert listed other other people as his consecrators but this appears to be the most accurate.7 Bishop Vipartas previously ordained Schweikert on June 4, 1955. Schweikert continued as Vicar General under Archbishop Marchenna after his consecration, later departing from him and joining Archbishop Cyrus Starkey of Connecticut.

Note 7: Lundberg, M. & Craig, J. (2018). Giuseppe Maria Abbate: The Italian-American Celestial Messenger. Uppsala University.
            https://magnuslundbergblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/uppsala-studies-vol-7-lundberg-craig.pdf (https://magnuslundbergblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/uppsala-studies-vol-7-lundberg-craig.pdf).


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Someone posted this biased source AS IF it is significant that Schweikert was consecrated by someone from the heretical North American Old Roman Catholic Church.

The same biased link also says Bishop Schweikert listed other  people as his consecrators but conveniently leaves out the fact that one of the other fake "Bishops" who performed a fake "consecration" was the nutcase Abbate who claimed to be divine. Schweikert assumed leadership (and complete financial control) of the Abbate cult.

Then Rematt tool over the cult and did his best to cover up the Abbate's multiple child rapes, multiple hospitalizations for insanity, the trips to Mars, Abbate's reincarnation, yada yada.

This Rematt, Wiest claims, is the one who "consecrated" him.

Abbate      >     Schweikert    >   Rematt     >    Wiest

is a direct line of involvement with a cult opposed by the Catholic Church in the early 1900s, as evidenced (cited earlier) by the fact that Catholic priests would stand out in front of the cult meetings and warn wayward cult members that they would be excommunicated if they continued to attend.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2022, 07:42:36 PM
Yes he has a car. He lives with his Buddha altar in a home provided by those of us who have contributed to OLHC. Father Perez's family owned the home where he lived. Wiest is either driving without a license or driving with a license with a different name. Whoever he is, he is not a Catholic priest.
scary stuff here
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2022, 07:42:53 PM
So even if one was to give Wiest the benefit of the doubt, that he was actually ordained by a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church, let's see what the NAORCC claims to believe:

https://www.naorcc.org/faq

If you read the docuмent, you will find that:

1. they ordain married priests.

2. they will declare an "Ecclesiastical Divorce" for a couple when they experience, not the physical death of a spouse, but upon "the death of the marriage."

3. their version of the "Tridentine Mass" may be "celebrated in the vernacular tongue."

So under a best case scenario for "Fr. Wiest," he would need to publicly renounce any and all heretical positions that he once took as a priest of that NAORCC false Church and convert to authentic Catholicism. Why would anyone want to have such a person leading their Church?
NOT Catholic. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 30, 2022, 09:43:22 PM
OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected.

Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.

Dear Parishioners,

Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians.  I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks.  Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass.  After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy.  He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary.  After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary.  Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family.  This was a notable development.  In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks.  This will begin immediately.  The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed.  Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility.  Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
 
Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could  become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass.  At the present time, I feel fine.  Please keep me in your prayers.  You, of course, remain in mine.
 
In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck

Grace-filled beautiful blessings from God to  Fr. Starbuck today!  A magnificent successful day at Fr. Starbuck's St, Dominic's Chapel.  There were 50 souls at the 7:30 Mass and 65 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass.  Almost standing room only!  Father was so pleased.

In addition, today was the first day of the live "feed" on UTube of the Mass entitled "St. Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck). It can be seen anytime now.  As of now, there are 307 views today! A wonderfully successful day for God's servant Fr. Starbuck!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 31, 2022, 12:57:53 PM
Grace-filled beautiful blessings from God to  Fr. Starbuck today!  A magnificent successful day at Fr. Starbuck's St, Dominic's Chapel.  There were 50 souls at the 7:30 Mass and 65 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass.  Almost standing room only!  Father was so pleased.

In addition, today was the first day of the live "feed" on UTube of the Mass entitled "St. Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck). It can be seen anytime now.  As of now, there are 307 views today! A wonderfully successful day for God's servant Fr. Starbuck!
Ten of us were sitting in Father's living room and kitchen. Yea!
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 31, 2022, 05:46:27 PM
I've been meaning to correct some misinformation about Fr. Starbuck that's been bothering me & determined that not another day would go by.  First I must preface that I have nothing against Fr. Starbuck but right is right.  It's been posted many times that Fr. had been serving OLHC for about 15 years..  Not exactly true.  He came Dec. 24, 2006.  However he had some health issues that lasted many years & didn't "serve" if I remember correctly.  He was going to do a series of classes but I don't think that materialized.  He posted in the church bulletin in 2012 asking people to please stop asking about his health & offering advice about his health.  So for the first 6-7 years he did not "serve".  Therefore he only served OLHC about 8 years - not 15.  Let's be more exact & not exaggerate  his service.  No, I'm not going to debate this.  It is what it is according to the Bulletins.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 31, 2022, 06:01:33 PM
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 31, 2022, 06:26:47 PM
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.
Hard to derail this train thread, it's been stuck in the mud from the start


(https://i.imgur.com/9TfQSZs.png)
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 31, 2022, 07:17:26 PM
Father Starbuck has served us tirelessly and faithfully for 15 years. He was in good health when he arrived at OLHC. After several years, he became ill. As Catholics we know that our suffering is precious to Almighty God. For myself, when I am ill and unable to attend Mass, I suffer greatly and offer my suffering to Him. When I cannot fulfill other obligations, I offer my suffering to God. Knowing Father Starbuck, he offering his suffering for the members of the chapel. It was less than two years. Those who spread lies and rumors will have to answer to God.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 01, 2022, 07:23:12 AM
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.
Fr. Weist, through the school board identification of his lineage, has made it clear he is not a priest.

add that to these facts:
- Buddhist altar
- Buddhist junk shop
- "lost" drivers license
- refusal to show DL to be near children (law in CA)
and you have a case of run, don't walk, away from him.

It seems he now has congestive heart failure, so perhaps they are allowing charity for a poor soul.  would they had done such for Sr. Anastasia.  at least they are now praying for her.

This thread is dead.  There should be no further interest in this man.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 01, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
Fr. Weist, through the school board identification of his lineage, has made it clear he is not a priest.

add that to these facts:
- Buddhist altar
- Buddhist junk shop
- "lost" drivers license
- refusal to show DL to be near children (law in CA)
and you have a case of run, don't walk, away from him.

It seems he now has congestive heart failure, so perhaps they are allowing charity for a poor soul.  would they had done such for Sr. Anastasia.  at least they are now praying for her.

This thread is dead.  There should be no further interest in this man.
We and other families have contributed money to OLHC for decades to support the chapel, not to support Mr. Wiest. The school board continues to use the money contributed to the chapel to support a fake priest and to provide him with a house (with a Buddhist altar) provided by the financial support of chapel members.

Let us not forget that this is the school board that kicked Sister te Deo out of her home two days before Christmas (she has been there since back when we had three sisters including Sister Clair when she was still living.) Why have they not kicked him out?

Wiest has found several deluded people who believe his lies. He pretends to say Sunday "Mass" for them.

The chapel still lacks a permanent priest and is making due with temporary assistance from SSPX. Where would a potential priest live? Would he be expected to share a home with a fake priest with a Buddhist altar?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 01, 2022, 11:45:20 AM
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.
Yes, I second the motion. Let's not get sidetracked. The title of this thread is More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC.

Links have been posted which show that, if Wiest's claims are true, he was "ordained" in the heretical North American Old Roman Catholic Church by fake "bishop" Rematt who covered up the weird cult of Abatte (who raped children, claimed to be "ordained" by Jesus when He walked into Abatte's Barber ship, claimed to have been born on Mars, then reincarnated on earth, fake nuns, fake priests, etc.)

Why is the school board continuing to financially support this con-man?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 01, 2022, 11:50:54 AM
Can anyone verify that Wiest is still saying Mass at OLHC? 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 01, 2022, 02:53:27 PM
Can anyone verify that Wiest is still saying Mass at OLHC?
No. He is not a Catholic priest and cannot say Mass. He is, however, pretending to say "mass" at the home of someone from OLHC.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 01, 2022, 03:19:59 PM
No. He is not a Catholic priest and cannot say Mass. He is, however, pretending to say "mass" at the home of someone from OLHC.

At the home of Guimarães?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on February 01, 2022, 04:36:21 PM
Cutting through the weeds and rough that have grown in this thread, here is what seems identifiable--

Michael Wiest is a priest whose ordination is from the Ultrajectine line through Arnold hαɾɾιs Mathew and whose ecclesial body of ordination is not in communion with the Bishop of Rome.

Fr. Wiest has offered Mass at OLHC.

Fr. Wiest has run an oriental collectables business and decorates his home with these objects.

Fr. Wiest has not had a background check completed according to CA law. He has said that his drivers license is lost.

The PPA board also functions as the OLHC board and have made known Fr. Wiest's Ultrajectine-line Holy Orders.

OLCH is currently dependent upon a loaned SSPX priest for Mass and sacraments, while Fr. Stsrbuck is offering Msss elsewhere. Fr. Wiest is not currently offering Mass at OLHC.

Are there any FACTS that I am missing here? This thread has gone on quite long for so few ascertainable facts. This situation seems very chaotic rather than weird. Chaos is an objective state of disorder. Weird is a subjective opinion.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 07:32:14 AM
We and other families have contributed money to OLHC for decades to support the chapel, not to support Mr. Wiest. The school board continues to use the money contributed to the chapel to support a fake priest and to provide him with a house (with a Buddhist altar) provided by the financial support of chapel members.

Let us not forget that this is the school board that kicked Sister te Deo out of her home two days before Christmas (she has been there since back when we had three sisters including Sister Clair when she was still living.) Why have they not kicked him out?

Wiest has found several deluded people who believe his lies. He pretends to say Sunday "Mass" for them.

The chapel still lacks a permanent priest and is making due with temporary assistance from SSPX. Where would a potential priest live? Would he be expected to share a home with a fake priest with a Buddhist altar?
I meant that there seems to be nothing to add to the weirdness of Mr. Wiest.

He is not a Catholic priest, full stop.

He should not be saying "mass" dressed as a Catholic priest, and laity should not support such.

If the OLHC congregation and school board want to help out a man with congestive heart failure,  that is one thing.  But to foist him onto the Faithful as a Catholic priest is something entirely differet.

You get your point across through the pocketbook.  
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 08:00:56 AM

He is not a Catholic priest, full stop.
Repeating an error over and over and over again does not make the error true. As a Catholic you are supposed to actually give a damn about facts and truth, whether they are palatable to you or not.
Assuming that the information provided by "the board" is true, Fr. Wiest's orders are most likely valid.

Should anyone receive Sacraments from him?
In my opinion, NO, with the sole exception of danger of death.

Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 10:32:55 AM
First Wiest claimed his ordination was in Rome. When asked to produce docuмentation, he claimed said docuмentation had been lost in a fire. When the school board finally asked him to produce docuмentation, he came up with a letter purportedly from the heretical Old Catholic Church saying that his ordination was actually from them, not Rome.

A good starting point is

Old Catholic Church
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Old Catholic Church (disambiguation) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church_(disambiguation)).
[th]Old Catholic Church[/th]
[th][/th]
[th]Union of Utrecht (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht_(Old_Catholic))[/th]
[th]Union of Scranton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Scranton)[/th]
[th]Associations[/th]
World Council of Churches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_of_Churches) (Union of Utrecht only)
Church of Sweden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Sweden) (Union of Utrecht only)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-utrechter-union0-4)
 Anglican Communion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Communion) (Union of Utrecht only)
[th]Founder[/th]
Ignaz von Döllinger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_von_Döllinger)
[th]Origin[/th]
1870
Nuremberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg), Kingdom of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Bavaria)
[th][/th]
Catholic Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church) (1879)
Old Catholics, Old-Catholic churches
The terms Old Catholic Church, Old Catholics and Old-Catholic churches[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-WCC-5) designate "any of the groups of Western Christians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Christians) who believe themselves to maintain in complete loyalty the doctrine and traditions of the undivided church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Church) but who separated from the see of Rome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_of_Rome) after the First Vatican council (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vatican_council) of 1869–70".[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-6)
The expression Old Catholic has been used from the 1850s by communions separated from the Roman Catholic Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church) over certain doctrines, primarily concerned with papal authority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy) and infallibility (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility).

These churches are not in full communion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_communion) with the Holy See (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See). Member churches of the Union of Utrecht of the Old Catholic Churches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht_(Old_Catholic)) (UU) are in full communion with the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Sweden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Sweden) and the Anglican Communion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Communion);[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-7)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-8) many members of the Union of Utrecht of the Old Catholic Churches hold membership in the World Council of Churches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_of_Churches).[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-9)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-10) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#cite_note-10)
The term "Old Catholic" was first used in 1853 to describe the members of the See of Utrecht (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Archbishop_of_Utrecht) who did not recognize any infallible papal authority


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 12:32:08 PM
At the home of Guimarães?
No. A recent widow.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 01:41:02 PM
...he came up with a letter purportedly from the heretical Old Catholic Church saying that his ordination was actually from them, not Rome.

A good starting point is

Old Catholic Church
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Old Catholic Church (disambiguation) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church_(disambiguation)).

Uh...not a good starting point since Old Catholic and Old Roman Catholic are not the same thing although they have common sacramental origins in the Netherlands from Utrecht. The Old Roman Catholics seem to have separated ways with the Old Catholics over a century ago, accusing the Old Catholics of Protestant deviations. Here is an Old Roman Cathuc website: http://caer-glow.rosarychurch.net/
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 02:39:30 PM
Uh...not a good starting point since Old Catholic and Old Roman Catholic are not the same thing although they have common sacramental origins in the Netherlands from Utrecht. The Old Roman Catholics seem to have separated ways with the Old Catholics over a century ago, accusing the Old Catholics of Protestant deviations. Here is an Old Roman Cathuc website: http://caer-glow.rosarychurch.net/
The link you provided above is not referencing the correct (false) Church.

Weist claimed that he was ordained in the "North American Old Roman Catholic Church." That is a very specific entity with a very detailed website: 

https://www.naorcc.org

Read especially their attempt to explain away of all of their heresies here:

https://www.naorcc.org/faq
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 02, 2022, 04:18:24 PM
The link you provided above is not referencing the correct (false) Church.

Weist claimed that he was ordained in the "North American Old Roman Catholic Church." That is a very specific entity with a very detailed website:

https://www.naorcc.org

Read especially their attempt to explain away of all of their heresies here:

https://www.naorcc.org/faq
Interesting. This is from the website of Wiest's North American Old Roman Catholic Church:

"Thus Old Roman Catholics hold and believe that the Church of Christ is in the Bishop, together with his priests and deacons and with their people around the Eucharist. Therein is found the Catholic Church and the Catholic Faith. Old Roman Catholics understand the Church Catholic to be a federation of the various bishops, dioceses and particular Churches"

Who is the Old Roman Catholic "bishop" to whom Wiest is accountable? "Bishop" Rematt (who covered up the child-abusing Amatte cult) and who Wiest claims performed his "ordination" is dead.

Why is the SCHOOL board using OLHC donations to support this con-man?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Nadir on February 02, 2022, 05:00:33 PM
Fr. Weist, through the school board identification of his lineage, has made it clear he is not a priest.
:confused:  Did you read what you wrote?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2022, 07:32:16 PM
Repeating an error over and over and over again does not make the error true. As a Catholic you are supposed to actually give a damn about facts and truth, whether they are palatable to you or not.
Assuming that the information provided by "the board" is true, Fr. Wiest's orders are most likely valid.

Should anyone receive Sacraments from him?
In my opinion, NO, with the sole exception of danger of death.
it never ceases to amaze me that two people can read the same data and arrive at two entirely different conclusions.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2022, 08:34:19 PM
Has anyone checked with the Old Catholics? This whole thing is so crazy that if they say they've never heard of Wiest I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
Has anyone checked with the Old Catholics? This whole thing is so crazy that if they say they've never heard of Wiest I wouldn't be surprised.
You  bring up a good point, especially since Wiest has changed his story so many times.

Examples:
He said from the pulpit he met Father Perez 30 years ago in Rome and spent a period of time with him.
Then he said from the pulpit that he met Father Perez 30 years ago in a small town outside of Florence and spent one night.

He said he was 48, then 58.

He said he had testicular cancer once in his life, first he said it was in his last year of high school, then he said he had it in his last year of law school at Yale.

He said he was ordained in Rome.
And now he produces a letter which says he was ordained in the heretical North American Old Roman Catholic Church.

On one hand, the school board should look into the person who signed the letter and see if he actually exists, who he is, and if he wrote the letter.
On the other hand, that would prove only that he is a heretic and not a Roman Catholic priest.

Either way, he is not a Catholic priest.
Evidently this is just fine with the school board.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2022, 08:38:03 PM
I am wondering any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC?  It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here and I heard from a source today that he is staying low key and in a somewhat retreating mode and saying Mass?? only at certain family's homes not at OLHC.  Is that true?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2022, 11:22:39 PM
I am wondering any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC?  It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here and I heard from a source today that he is staying low key and in a somewhat retreating mode and saying Mass?? only at certain family's homes not at OLHC.  Is that true?
SUPPORTFRSTARBUCK why do you post the same question on two threads? You have a history of doing this..
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 14, 2022, 12:42:45 AM

God's grace has abundantly favored Father Starbuck today!  More and more souls are showing their love, loyalty and devotion to our beloved Father and his beautiful (pre-1962 Missal) Latin Mass.  God is giving the grace of discernment and truth to more and more souls in finding the truth regarding the injustice Father endured when he was forced out of OLHC after 15 years of unwavering faithful loyalty! I believe God will severely punish those individuals who deliberately willed and did hurt Father by their almost assault-like aggression to Father by casting him out with the threat of "having him arrested if he ever set foot on OLHC property again" mere days before Christmas as outlined in the earlier written blogs herein.

In any event, there were 75 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass at St. Dominic's Chapel today (Standing room only). There was 45 souls at the 9:30 a.m. and 45 souls at the 12:00 Masses.  Many confessions... Father is available for confession before all three Masses. A rarity indeed in all of Orange County's Catholic churches. Father is so generous and giving of his time and energy.  In addition, the rosary was recited to Our Blessed Mother before all Masses.

Anyone... I am wondering if there is any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC?  It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here at CatholicInfo.com and I heard that he is deliberately staying low key and is in a somewhat retreating mode saying Mass?? only at certain individual's homes but NOT at OLHC!  Is that true? Any news Anyone? 

IF it turns out to be true, why with all of the what appears to be a Fraud perpetrated by "Fr." Wiest as to his true identification, I don't feel he should be given the opportunity to simply "cut and run" now without seeing to it that there should be consequences if their was indeed any sort of Fraud perpetrated on the faithful of OLHC.  I also believe their should be consequences for "The Board" who (if true) provided "cover" for this man! AFTER ALL I WENT TO CONFESSION TO THIS MAN AND i BELIEVED I RECEIVED THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS FROM THIS MAN TO ONLY POSSIBLY MADE A FOOL OF.


Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 14, 2022, 12:50:32 PM
The board is trying to get rid of him, but he refuses to leave the house that OLHC is paying for. He is saying (illegitimate) Mass at the home of a grieving widow. I pray that he repents.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2022, 12:37:16 AM
The board is trying to get rid of him, but he refuses to leave the house that OLHC is paying for. He is saying (illegitimate) Mass at the home of a grieving widow. I pray that he repents.
If this is true, good for the board.
If he won't leave, time to change the locks and put his stuff on the street.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2022, 10:18:06 AM
Why can't they serve him an eviction notice?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2022, 10:46:10 AM
The board is trying to get rid of him, but he refuses to leave the house that OLHC is paying for. He is saying (illegitimate) Mass at the home of a grieving widow. I pray that he repents.
I wonder if he brought his Buddhist altar with him to the widow's house.

So many strange things happening here, it's hard to wrap one's head around the craziness.

One of the problems with "independent" priests is there's little oversight of them or their chapels. There's no bishop in the canonical line to hold them accountable. My impression has been that some of these priests can develop a sort of 'cult' following. I'm not implying that it's always their fault however. The emergency in the Church is such that many cling to these priests as one would cling to a lifesaver, in desperation. I pray for OLHC that things over there will stabilize and real priests will continue to offer the Traditional Mass and dispense the Sacraments. It has been an oasis for many years where the Faith is kept whole and entire amid the raging storm of Modernism outside. There's also the school which has done much good work over the years.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2022, 10:57:42 AM
Why can't they serve him an eviction notice?
Unfortunately, California does not make it so easy. It is a multi-step, time and resource consuming effort.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 25, 2022, 12:56:27 PM


Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so.  I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!

A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC.  A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!).  There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual!  Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing!  I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 25, 2022, 12:58:48 PM

Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so.  I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!

A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC.  A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!).  There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual!  Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing!  I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?
Please repeat the same post a few more times, "Support Fr Starbuck".
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 11:34:57 AM
Just bumping this thread to ask of any parishioners at OLHC for an update on "Fr." Wiest. Is he back there now, and who are the actual priests staffing the chapel at this time? 

Really just curious, not a parishioner. I did attend Mass there for a time in the past (some years ago) and might like to go there again if I knew there were real priests at the altar and in the confessional.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 12:16:57 PM
Just bumping this thread to ask of any parishioners at OLHC for an update on "Fr." Wiest. Is he back there now, and who are the actual priests staffing the chapel at this time?

Really just curious, not a parishioner. I did attend Mass there for a time in the past (some years ago) and might like to go there again if I knew there were real priests at the altar and in the confessional.
Call or email them and ask.  Create a new email if you want to remain anonymous. 
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 05:40:55 PM
Wiest is traveling with Pfieffer.
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 09:00:41 PM
Wiest is traveling with Pfieffer.
Why does this not surprise me?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 09:05:08 PM
Just bumping this thread to ask of any parishioners at OLHC for an update on "Fr." Wiest. Is he back there now, and who are the actual priests staffing the chapel at this time?

Really just curious, not a parishioner. I did attend Mass there for a time in the past (some years ago) and might like to go there again if I knew there were real priests at the altar and in the confessional.
So, Feb 6 bulletin says fr. Dailey and fr. Wiest.
Feb 13 says fr. Polley and fr. Johnson.
Feb 20 says fr. Johnson.
Feb 27 says fr. Polley.
March 6 says fr. Johnson.
March 13 says fr. Burfitt.

Anyone know any of those priests?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 09:05:30 PM
Wiest is traveling with Pfieffer.
How do you know?
Title: Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 19, 2022, 09:43:55 PM
So, Feb 6 bulletin says fr. Dailey and fr. Wiest.
Feb 13 says fr. Polley and fr. Johnson.
Feb 20 says fr. Johnson.
Feb 27 says fr. Polley.
March 6 says fr. Johnson.
March 13 says fr. Burfitt.

Anyone know any of those priests?
Polley and burfitt are sspx.
If it's fr. Michael Johnson, sspx, he sounds great:
http://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/2020/05/consecrated-to-touch-your-wife-but-not.html?m=1

God rest the sould of Fr. Schell.