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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #180 on: November 15, 2021, 08:01:47 PM »
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  • On another thread, I posted this:



    Late-night ER visit: forced to wait outside in cold night air with COPD
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    Last night at 9:30 p.m., I was driven to the ER and taken to the outdoor check-in area in a wheelchair while on supplemental oxygen.

    When asked about the vaccination, I said I had natural immunity because I had recovered from covid. As a result, my caretaker and I were forced to wait outside. For the two hours we were there, 40 people who came after us were screened and allowed to go indoors where it was warm and well-lit with comfortable seating and clean bathrooms.

    It was dark, damp, cold and had a filthy outhouse. IOW, we were discriminated against on the basis of our religious objection to the abortion-tainted vaccine.
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    This incident occurred at Kaiser Anaheim, the same hospital where UNVACCINATED Father Starbuck was NOT permitted to give Extreme Unction to Father Perez. This is the same exact hospital policy which affected me. NO ONE is permitted into the wards, nor into the ER without a vaccine.

    Father Starbuck argued and talked to supervisors and administrators to try to get in to give the sacraments to Father Perez. Father Starbuck asked if Father Perez's bed could temporarily be moved to an area of the hospital unaffected by that policy. The hospital would not relent. It was left to a VACCINATED  priest to go in to give the sacraments.

    Calumny against Fr. Starbuck are now being spread by Wiest supporters. Their latest lie is that Father Starbuck was afraid to go into the hospital. They have no shame. They lie because their father is the father of lies.

    Please pray for Father Starbuck. Ever since his sermon last Sunday on calumny, they are attacking him with vengeance.
    How awful!
    Poor Fr. Starbuck.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #181 on: November 15, 2021, 08:05:53 PM »
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  • You left out the role played by Tradition in Action, who are cheerleaders for Mr. Wiest and the root of lies being told about Fr. Starbuck. Other than TIA's involvement, how can it be explained that 3 weeks after Mr. Wiest came to OLHC, Mr. Wiest began telling chapel members "We need to get rid of Fr. Starbuck" (who has been serving OLHC for 14 years.) Their goal is to morph OLHC into a blend of Pfiefferville West along with a center for their Plinio cult complete with photos of Plinio and his mother prominently displayed along with Wednesday night devotions to Plinio's mother in a mockery of an authentic Litany to Our Lady.
    Wiest, Croisette, OLMC, TIA all against Fr. Starbuck?

    sounds like Perez may be going down if he doesn't make it out of the hospital and clean up OLHC soon. 

    what a nightmare.  Fr. Schell is turning over in his grave.


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #182 on: November 16, 2021, 12:51:13 PM »
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  • OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected. 

    Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.

    Dear Parishioners,

    Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians.  I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks.  Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass.  After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy.  He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary.  After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary.  Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family.  This was a notable development.  In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks.  This will begin immediately.  The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed.  Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility.  Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
     
    Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could  become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass.  At the present time, I feel fine.  Please keep me in your prayers.  You, of course, remain in mine.
     
    In our Lord,
    Fr. Starbuck



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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #183 on: November 16, 2021, 01:15:23 PM »
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  •   Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies...
    May God have mercy on you if it turns out that you, Anonymous, are the one spreading the lies.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #184 on: November 16, 2021, 01:25:20 PM »
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  • OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected.

    Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.

    Dear Parishioners,

    Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians.  I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks.  Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass.  After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy.  He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary.  After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary.  Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family.  This was a notable development.  In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks.  This will begin immediately.  The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed.  Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility.  Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
     
    Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could  become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass.  At the present time, I feel fine.  Please keep me in your prayers.  You, of course, remain in mine.
     
    In our Lord,
    Fr. Starbuck
    God bless fr. Starbuck. 


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #185 on: November 16, 2021, 04:19:16 PM »
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  • May God have mercy on you if it turns out that you, Anonymous, are the one spreading the lies.
    Are you a member of OLHC?
    Do you even know what the lies being spread are?
    Did you listen to Father Starbuck's sermon on calumny?
    Have you looked at the docuмents and photographic evidence on this thread?

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #186 on: November 16, 2021, 04:19:51 PM »
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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #187 on: November 16, 2021, 06:19:24 PM »
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  • Are you a member of OLHC?
    Do you even know what the lies being spread are?
    Did you listen to Father Starbuck's sermon on calumny?
    Have you looked at the docuмents and photographic evidence on this thread?
    Your first three questions are irrelevant and/or dodging the crux of the matter.

    Yes, out of sheer morbid curiosity I have read all the posts and looked at the evidence, not only in this thread, but in the numerous others that have been created as well.

    The question that is the crux of all these threads is simple: is Wiest a Priest? As I explained yesterday the ONLY thing that determines whether Wiest is a Priest or not is if he was validly ordained. PERIOD. It wouldn't matter if you had a picture of him wearing a pink tutu; has the man been validly ordained?

    I do not hold an opinion about Wiest's ordination, or lack thereof, I require solid evidence to make a judgement. Some of the things that have been posted should make everyone at least a bit suspicious of him, but nothing brought forward so far supports demanding that everyone call him "Mr.".

    Claims have been repeatedly made that Weist refuses to show docuмentation or discuss the matter.
    Claims have been repeatedly made that Perez neglected to obtain proof of Wiest's ordination.
    Many claims, but when questioned whether you have personally asked for proof, you don't give a direct yes or no, you just complain about how hard Perez is to talk to or some other lame excuse. From that I have to conclude that the true answer is "no, I have not personally, directly asked Wiest or Perez for proof".

    I entered into this when you publicly labelled Wiest an "orgy fan" and an "orgy lover". The only "proof" that you presented to support this claim is two e-mail addresses attributed to Wiest from an internet search. As I stated at the time, I searched my own name and found errors, including an erroneous e-mail address. If you want another example of how erroneous an internet search can be find the thread where someone searched Matthew's name and the results were way off. (it was something like, Matthew has a dozen employees and assets in the millions).
    I bring this up to demonstrate that you are very prone to making serious accusations without sufficient evidence to support them. At some point that practice becomes a serious sin and I'm not going to encourage you to sin nor turn a blind eye to it.
    Now I don't know if you are just emotionally overwrought and unable to think clearly or if you are malicious. If it is an emotional problem I pray that our Lord, through our Lady, grant you healing.
    If you are malicious: Ipse Venena Bibas




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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #188 on: November 16, 2021, 07:52:11 PM »
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  • Your first three questions are irrelevant and/or dodging the crux of the matter.

    Yes, out of sheer morbid curiosity I have read all the posts and looked at the evidence, not only in this thread, but in the numerous others that have been created as well.

    The question that is the crux of all these threads is simple: is Wiest a Priest? As I explained yesterday the ONLY thing that determines whether Wiest is a Priest or not is if he was validly ordained. PERIOD. It wouldn't matter if you had a picture of him wearing a pink tutu; has the man been validly ordained?

    I do not hold an opinion about Wiest's ordination, or lack thereof, I require solid evidence to make a judgement. Some of the things that have been posted should make everyone at least a bit suspicious of him, but nothing brought forward so far supports demanding that everyone call him "Mr.".

    Claims have been repeatedly made that Weist refuses to show docuмentation or discuss the matter.
    Claims have been repeatedly made that Perez neglected to obtain proof of Wiest's ordination.
    Many claims, but when questioned whether you have personally asked for proof, you don't give a direct yes or no, you just complain about how hard Perez is to talk to or some other lame excuse. From that I have to conclude that the true answer is "no, I have not personally, directly asked Wiest or Perez for proof".

    I entered into this when you publicly labelled Wiest an "orgy fan" and an "orgy lover". The only "proof" that you presented to support this claim is two e-mail addresses attributed to Wiest from an internet search. As I stated at the time, I searched my own name and found errors, including an erroneous e-mail address. If you want another example of how erroneous an internet search can be find the thread where someone searched Matthew's name and the results were way off. (it was something like, Matthew has a dozen employees and assets in the millions).
    I bring this up to demonstrate that you are very prone to making serious accusations without sufficient evidence to support them. At some point that practice becomes a serious sin and I'm not going to encourage you to sin nor turn a blind eye to it.
    Now I don't know if you are just emotionally overwrought and unable to think clearly or if you are malicious. If it is an emotional problem I pray that our Lord, through our Lady, grant you healing.
    If you are malicious: Ipse Venena Bibas
    I tend to agree with you on this one.

    However, the evidence is enough for me to say that Wiest is certainly someone to avoid 100%, priest or not.

    It also seems to me that Fr. Perez needs to vet who he allows on the altar more carefully.  That is, if he has any say in the matter, as he may be controlled by the "board".

    Fr. Schell never liked the idea of a "board", God rest his soul, but he saw no way around it.

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    More crap nobody cares about.
    « Reply #189 on: November 16, 2021, 08:35:40 PM »
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  • Fixed this one for you too.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #190 on: November 17, 2021, 04:48:15 PM »
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  • I tend to agree with you on this one.

    However, the evidence is enough for me to say that Wiest is certainly someone to avoid 100%, priest or not.

    It also seems to me that Fr. Perez needs to vet who he allows on the altar more carefully.  That is, if he has any say in the matter, as he may be controlled by the "board".

    Fr. Schell never liked the idea of a "board", God rest his soul, but he saw no way around it.
    Yes. Father Schell, may he rest in peace, based on the best-available information at the time, thought it would be best for the school to own the Church, rather than the Church to own the school. Well-intended decisions often have unintended consequences.


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #191 on: November 17, 2021, 05:13:55 PM »
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  • Yes. Father Schell, may he rest in peace, based on the best-available information at the time, thought it would be best for the school to own the Church, rather than the Church to own the school. Well-intended decisions often have unintended consequences.
    Indeed.
    so Perez may not have much muscle.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #192 on: November 17, 2021, 11:21:19 PM »
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  • I think, by your response, that you are unfamiliar with OLHC's history.  So allow me to clue you in.
    This is a case of what came first - the chicken or the egg.  Apparently you believe that the church came first & so should own the school.  In fact it was the other way around.  This group of Catholics had a school in the beginning with no set building until they got a house in Garden Grove.  They were attached to Fr. Schell who had no set building, but would attend his Mass in public school gyms.  They had a School Board of sorts with a Principal.

    Then this property with a school & church came on the market & they bought it.  The Principal remained the same & it looks to me like the Principal was also in charge of the whole property.  Fr. Shell brought Fr. Perez on board while they were still having Mass in the public school gym. Fr. Schell died after they moved to the new property, & that left Fr. Perez the principle priest but the Principal & the original people on the school board were in charge of the whole property.  It looks to me like the people in charge have some say in any priests that come there, but you would think that Fr. Perez would or should vet the priests & I hardly think that the people in charge would have fought his decisions.  Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!

    The moral of this story is --  don't blame the School board for the mess at the church.  That was Fr. Perez's job & responsibility & he was too busy with worldly things to bother with it.  Yes, I know much more but you should be able to get the picture.



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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #193 on: November 18, 2021, 02:03:40 AM »
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  • Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!
    Excuse me, but your information is not correct. 

    Fr. Perez did not purchase his own home, rather, it was purchased for him by his parents.

    This does not excuse him, in my eyes. He should still be living in a proper rectory on the Church premises, but so should Fr. Starbuck. They ought to be living in community, praying the Divine Office together and observing some kind of life in common.

    Fr. Wiest is another story. He came to the church early this year, February or March I believe, when the good Monsignor was having a surgery. We had the impression he would only be staying a short time; instead, he has become a fixture at OLHC, for better or worse...

    I tend to say for worse, because even though I've been away from California for several months, I've been following Fr. Wiest's antics on this forum with interest. He is making himself into a questionable figure when he could resolve doubts by being more transparent. 

    It would be better for Wiest if he preached a sermon from a book instead of his extemporaneous theorizing. The same goes for Perez and to a lesser extent Fr. Starbuck. The 40 minute sermons there, if you can call them that, are very hard to bear. 

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #194 on: November 18, 2021, 01:58:03 PM »
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  • Excuse me, but your information is not correct.

    Fr. Perez did not purchase his own home, rather, it was purchased for him by his parents.

    This does not excuse him, in my eyes. He should still be living in a proper rectory on the Church premises, but so should Fr. Starbuck. They ought to be living in community, praying the Divine Office together and observing some kind of life in common.

    Fr. Wiest is another story. He came to the church early this year, February or March I believe, when the good Monsignor was having a surgery. We had the impression he would only be staying a short time; instead, he has become a fixture at OLHC, for better or worse...

    I tend to say for worse, because even though I've been away from California for several months, I've been following Fr. Wiest's antics on this forum with interest. He is making himself into a questionable figure when he could resolve doubts by being more transparent.

    It would be better for Wiest if he preached a sermon from a book instead of his extemporaneous theorizing. The same goes for Perez and to a lesser extent Fr. Starbuck. The 40 minute sermons there, if you can call them that, are very hard to bear.
    Thank you for your balanced comment regarding OLHC and the Fr’s there. 

    I have never been to this church, nor do I know any parishioners or the priests there. I have been following this story hoping it would pan out at some point, but some of the comments have been extremely vicious in nature, and many of the posts left a bad taste, so I found myself actually rooting for the underdogs. 

    Honestly, if there had been even an ounce of charity in those who were posting their concerns about such things, there would be a lot more sympathy from others here. 
    Sadly, those anonymous ones who are lacking that Catholic prudence and charity have shown that even after correction of their error, they refuse to learn, so this post will also fall on their deaf ears too. 

    It is a tragedy Fr Perez was sick and now has passed away while this train wreck was going on over here. We can only hope it ends here and now. 
    I sincerely pray that Fr Wiest has received the Last Sacraments and is on his way to recovery so he can have the chance to clear his name. Whether he chooses to or not is up to him, but while he is ill, and could be on deaths door, we all need to leave this alone. 
    The people of this church have already lost Mass for a period of time. I hope they have an alternative chapel to get the Sacraments.