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missed vocation?
« on: February 04, 2023, 03:33:52 PM »
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  • I remember after my First Communion that this is what I wanted to do. I probably had these thoughts for a few months back then, and it's a clear memory. Obviously, it didn't happen. It wasn't the type of thing anybody around me encouraged, going to public school and with all the adult Catholics I knew not even going to Mass except for some of the old ladies. Then again, the timing would have been right in the middle of the Novus Ordo fan club era, and maybe I'm better off that it didn't happen that way, and this is what God intended. Still, I'm at an age when I'm looking back and trying to figure out why life turned out like it did. Maybe it's a minor diabolic hassle, maybe it's normal midlife pondering. No despair, no inordinate curiosity, just Saturday afternoon sort of sad musing. 

    Anyone else ever think that they missed a calling to the religious life?

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    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2023, 07:58:42 PM »
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  • I remember after my First Communion that this is what I wanted to do. I probably had these thoughts for a few months back then, and it's a clear memory. Obviously, it didn't happen. It wasn't the type of thing anybody around me encouraged, going to public school and with all the adult Catholics I knew not even going to Mass except for some of the old ladies. Then again, the timing would have been right in the middle of the Novus Ordo fan club era, and maybe I'm better off that it didn't happen that way, and this is what God intended. Still, I'm at an age when I'm looking back and trying to figure out why life turned out like it did. Maybe it's a minor diabolic hassle, maybe it's normal midlife pondering. No despair, no inordinate curiosity, just Saturday afternoon sort of sad musing.

    Anyone else ever think that they missed a calling to the religious life?
    Yes and no!  I missed becoming a sister, but that’s because Our Lord permitted it, not through any sin of my own.  There was no place for me to go at the right time in my life.  Instead, I never married, due to lack of strong interest, unavailability of suitable men, and the fact that I was doing with my professional life what I’d have been doing as a nun.  
    Now, my profession being closed to me and my retirement stolen due to the scamdemic, and being only a few years short of retirement age, I’m at loose ends.  I haven’t money to train for a new job, cannot physically perform lower level jobs, and nobody wants to hire an old lady.  People tell me to look for work online, only I am not at all proficient with computers.  I don’t even own a computer or a smartphone.  I know just enough to use this tablet.  When it goes extinct, I haven’t funds to replace it. I use an old-fashioned TracPhone, no internet, pay as I go.  My WiFi service is a signal that comes in mostly at night or from one of two fast food chains.  So, I’m thinking I may not be here much longer.  


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    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2023, 09:53:31 PM »
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  • People tell me to look for work online, only I am not at all proficient with computers.  I don’t even own a computer or a smartphone.  I know just enough to use this tablet.  When it goes extinct, I haven’t funds to replace it. I use an old-fashioned TracPhone, no internet, pay as I go.  My WiFi service is a signal that comes in mostly at night or from one of two fast food chains.  So, I’m thinking I may not be here much longer. 
    Not at all on topic here, but you should get set up with lifeline service. They'll give you a smartphone with phone service and internet. The government "stole" your job; the least they can do is help you stay in touch with people.

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    Re: missed vocation?
    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2023, 10:10:11 PM »
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  • It certainly is an interesting topic.

    But what would be more interesting is what you have done, not what you didn’t do. What have you done with your life and what, in midlife, are you planning to do? You might have a few good years in you still.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 05, 2023, 05:52:22 AM »
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  • Not at all on topic here, but you should get set up with lifeline service. They'll give you a smartphone with phone service and internet. The government "stole" your job; the least they can do is help you stay in touch with people.
    Thanks, no thanks. The less involvement with government, the better.  There are very few people left in my life with whom to stay in touch.  My family is mostly gone.  The few distant relations are mixed up with transgender stuff, being woke, Wicca, and all that I know of are still getting their boosters.  I never had many friends and those people I thought were friends, have gone their separate ways.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 05, 2023, 03:26:45 PM »
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  • OP here. I guess the question came to mind because with religious life and family life, there seems to be more fullness of what can be rendered to God (Matthew 22:21). The single life often feels like the useless servant who messed up in The Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:25). 

    People will tell older singles to go be of service to others in need. OK, but trying to do good ends up with groups that have more of a Rotary Club or welfare state mindset. I've volunteered a lot all the way back to high school and it always felt like the goal was more for the volunteers than for the people supposedly being helped. Most trad chapels are not set up for these kinds of activities. Not that they should be, with all the effort that goes into keeping the Mass and the Sacraments available. We can try to be of service to those we know well, but from experience, that can get into situations of being expected to be complicit with all that goes on. Instead, I mind my own business, pray for them, and try to remember to give them a wide berth. Here's where religious living in charity to each other seems so appealing, but maybe I'm idealizing it and it's not so simple for them either. (St. Therese of Lisieux, for example.)

    To Reply #1, I hear you, and I thank God that materially I'm basically alright. In general, modern-thinking people would probably say my life hasn't been all that bad. But that's worldly opinion. To Reply #4, this is where it gets serious. With a religious vocation, at least a person with vows can look forward at the end of his or her time on earth to some level of spiritual safety in the company of others who really believe in The Four Last Things. Even with trad family life, that's not a sure prospect with how the younger generation can be at risk these days. 

    Time to consider the birds of the air and the lilies of the field and to lay up treasure in heaven (Matthew 6). Prayer, interior life, and waiting to listen for God's will. That's what I should be thinking about. I just started reading The Imitation of Mary by Fr. Alexandre de Rouville. It will probably help a lot. 
    Thanks for writing back, and I wish you all well. :pray:

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    Re: missed vocation?
    « Reply #6 on: February 05, 2023, 05:06:34 PM »
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  • I believe that there are many lost vocations ... all due to the Vatican II wreckage, another facet of this chastisement.  Even if you're a Traditional Catholic, and you might be drawn to the priesthood or religious life, before Vatican II there were so many choices and varieties in which those vocations could be lived out ... where there was something suitable for just about every temperament.  I know, for instance, that while I was at STAS, at Winona, I often felt (and sometimes openly remarked) that I wished there were a vocation to be a seminarian.  I didn't really feel drawn to SSPX concept of the priesthood, which was more a combination of secular / diocesan priest with a lot of emphasis on travel.  I would have truly loved being  a seminary professor and then on the weekends hitting the mission circuit.  But it's not like one had a choice.  You did whatever your superiors told you, and sometimes if you weren't compliant enough, they'd send you to live in a hut in Zimbabwe.  i do suspect that precisely that may have contributed to the priest who recently cracked and molested his niece.  Something like that could break a man down psychologically if he wasn't suited for it.  But the SSPX literally doesn't give a crap, and they've probably wrecked a lot of priests that way, forcing them on assignments that they were not suited for.  Nobody ever forced someone to be a missionary before Vatican II.  It was considered a separate calling.  SSPX abuse the notion of "obedience" very badly to feel as if they can yank people around on puppet strings and that they had to just grin and bear it out of obedience ... regardless of the effect it would have on you.

    Now, there were other options out there, I suppose, but I wasn't really familiar with them, and with a house here or a house there around the world, I didn't really have the money or the luxury of time to say, "hey, maybe I'll go try the Redemptorists" or the Benedictines or the Dominicans, etc.  Also, every house's implementation of the order's vision could differ, according to the character and philosophy of the local superior.  Back before V2, you might try one Benedictine abbey and hate it, but try another one and absolutely love it.  Thus, for example, I thought I might be drawn to the Benedictines also, so I did try Fr. Leonard Giardina's abbey for a few days, but something seemed off about it and I did not like it there at all, but it's possible that I may have liked it at Silver City.  I don't think I'm as suited for Benedictines, perhaps either a Redemptorist or a Dominican.  But then, what was I supposed to do, fly overseas to give it a shot for a week or two only to decide that I didn't care for it?

    SSPX did have a rather arrogant attitude about vocations, where if you weren't suited to the SSPX, you had no vocation.  There was never a thought for, "I don't think you're a fit for SSPX, but I think you might make a good Dominican."  When they decided a seminarian wasn't a fit for SSPX, they decided that he wasn't a fit for the priesthood in general.  That's not always the case.  But I knew of no one who had ever been dismissed from SSPX who was told that they might fit in with some other group.

    Another aspect that bothered me is that as a religious you take vows of obedience, and then what if your particular house goes in a different direction.  Let's say I had gone over to the Transalpine Redemptorists there, and then they ended up selling out, or was part of those groups that went FSSP, etc.?  I just felt the situation in the Church was too unstable to be compatible with a vocation like that where you generally had to be committed "for the long haul".

    It's a mess out there, and I do believe that the devil has destroyed myriad vocations, and that this is part of God's chastisement.

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  • Anyone else ever think that they missed a calling to the religious life?
    There's always the possibility to become a member of a third order.
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  • I would simply remain in the arms of Our Lady if you have come to the realization that the religious life could have been your vocation. Do as much good as you can with the time you have left.

    I have been drawn to the Carmelites for two years now, but since I come from a single parent home, the Carmelites that I corresponded with by letter at that time went straight to my “instability and imbalance” and changed their mind about accepting me; the nuns have never met me before, and yet, made the decision that I was mentally unwell to practice contemplation. However, they took another girl from my parish (a favorite family of the church). Here I am, a few years later, and Carmel follows me still. 

    I am not someone who wishes to lose a vocation through my own fault. Instead, I simply persevere. I have given the matter to Our Lady because the priests and nuns I spoke with believe I am unstable. Oh, the cross of being misunderstood!

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  • I am not someone who wishes to lose a vocation through my own fault. Instead, I simply persevere. I have given the matter to Our Lady because the priests and nuns I spoke with believe I am unstable. Oh, the cross of being misunderstood!
    For the priesthood, illegitimate birth is an impediment, and even conception out-of-wedlock was a no-go, regardless of whether the parents did marry. Look at the lives of the saints, many were rejected due to health but later accepted by other less stringent orders. Also, age caps thwart some otherwise-worthy hopefuls since in general, the rule of obedience becomes more difficult the longer a person has been out in the world as an adult. Please consider that religious orders, especially the cloistered ones, have these criteria not for the benefit of the applicant but for the stability and cohesion of the community in its charism. The orders have their reasons, and they might not have lasted this long if they hadn't.

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  • There's always the possibility to become a member of a third order.

    True, good idea. There are lots of third orders out there, but many seem to follow the NOM. The genuinely traditional ones are few and far between, and of those, many have a long-distance membership arrangement, if that suits. Still, if there's a traditionalist third order with an established location, that could be an incentive for deciding where to move if someone were already considering a move.


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  • I have family members that were a Carmelite sister and traditional priest.  Both came from irregular situations.  Clearly it depends on the particular group.  

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  • It's not entirely impossible. I've heard somewhere that only 3% of people responded to their vocation in life. But as you are where you are now it's meaningless to wonder about that.
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  • One can also have been meant for marriage and family, but VII messed that up, too.  Look at all the older Catholic adults who are unmarried.  Once they hit hit 18-21, have graduated from college, or leave the family home, the majority quit coming to Mass.  If they want to marry and raise a Catholic family, conditions in the Church, yes, even in tradition, make it very difficult.  
    I’ve thought about it myself, although that ship has sailed for me.  When I first converted, it was still possible although conceiving a child would have been a long shot, and a pregnancy medically precarious.  Observing that I WAS good with children, especially those whom others deemed troublesome, a priest suggested I should perhaps consider marriage seriously.  I did so, even made a Novena to St. Ann.  Nothing came of it, although I did get better acquainted with St. Ann!  I went to three different chapels on a rotating basis for over a year, not then or on the prowl, but because of job and family situations.  The largest was at a priory, another of about 85 people, and the smallest had maybe 15-20 regulars.  In all of these places, there were three men who I thought were possibilities, two from the largest chapel and one from the smallest.  There just weren’t many single men in the 38-50 age group to be found.  Those that were, were several priests—nope!  Divorced, but actually married, physically, mentally, or intellectually challenged to the point of being ineligible for marriage, ie. needed full-time care, not able to hold a job except at the ARC workshop.  And the one wasn’t disqualified because of circuмstances beyond his control, was a loud-mouthed narcissist who took advantage of people.  He lacked empathy to the point where his supposedly humorous comments, almost always to women he considered vulnerable, sometimes resulted in tears and once, he nearly brought the priest to blows. I believe he came to Mass because his grandmother was providing him with housing while he went to a nearby technical school and worked part-time.  There were literally no candidates.  Perhaps that’s what St. Ann showed me. Remain in the state of life in which you find yourself according to St.Paul.  
     

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  • But as you are where you are now it's meaningless to wonder about that.

    Or in the words of that popular garden sign, "Bloom where you're planted."