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MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
« on: May 27, 2020, 12:26:57 PM »
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  • I innocently wrote an e-mail to Most Holy Family Monastery (Dimond Brothers) inquiring about some matter, but now I see they are in error. But they wrote back to me and mentioned my posts on CathInfo. They were spying on me, and they keep an eye on CathInfo! They had nothing good to say about the forum. Just wanted to let you know.


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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #1 on: May 27, 2020, 12:31:00 PM »
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  • This is nothing new. I've known the evils of MHFM for YEARS. They are like a broken clock which is right occasionally (Tridentine Mass is good, Evolution is bad, Creationism is true) but they are schismatic and/or heretical because of their "dogmatic" sedevacantism which I define as "the See being vacant is another dogma of the Catholic Faith." If you reject that "dogma", you reject the Faith and so you're going to hell. Ridiculous I know -- how could a vacant see in the 20th or 21st Century be a dogma of the Faith? But that's what they believe. As Dogmatic Sedevacantists, they believe that all Catholics are sedevacantist; any "Catholics" who don't embrace sedevacantism are objectively in heresy. But more than that -- they aren't just material heretics, but also FORMAL heretics, because they are (allegedly) in a state of mortal sin due to their rejection of sedevacantism. So apparently the Church has judged and condemned each one of them... madness!

    Even if the sedevacantists turn out to be correct, I'll have nothing to apologize for, much less will I lose my soul. I am only looking at the facts and taking a prudent position with regards to the Crisis in the Church. If I failed to RESIST the errant pope, that would be a different story. We can't follow heresy or obey commands which tend to destroy or endanger our Faith.

    Some people make the mistake of over-simplifying the Crisis in the Church. The Dimond brothers are one of these. If the Crisis were that simple and non-mysterious, there wouldn't be such confusion and division in the Trad Catholic world over the past 60 years. As I am fond of repeating, the Crisis in the Church is a supernatural mystery that only God can step in and solve. If man could solve it without God's help, after 60 years with all the brilliant minds which have come and gone, we WOULD HAVE SOLVED IT by now.
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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #2 on: May 27, 2020, 01:36:40 PM »
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  • This is nothing new. I've known the evils of MHFM for YEARS. They are like a broken clock which is right occasionally (Tridentine Mass is good, Evolution is bad, Creationism is true) but they are schismatic and/or heretical because of their "dogmatic" sedevacantism which I define as "the See being vacant is another dogma of the Catholic Faith." If you reject that "dogma", you reject the Faith and so you're going to hell. Ridiculous I know -- how could a vacant see in the 20th or 21st Century be a dogma of the Faith? But that's what they believe. As Dogmatic Sedevacantists, they believe that all Catholics are sedevacantist; any "Catholics" who don't embrace sedevacantism are objectively in heresy. But more than that -- they aren't just material heretics, but also FORMAL heretics, because they are (allegedly) in a state of mortal sin due to their rejection of sedevacantism. So apparently the Church has judged and condemned each one of them... madness!

    Even if the sedevacantists turn out to be correct, I'll have nothing to apologize for, much less will I lose my soul. I am only looking at the facts and taking a prudent position with regards to the Crisis in the Church. If I failed to RESIST the errant pope, that would be a different story. We can't follow heresy or obey commands which tend to destroy or endanger our Faith.

    Some people make the mistake of over-simplifying the Crisis in the Church. The Dimond brothers are one of these. If the Crisis were that simple and non-mysterious, there wouldn't be such confusion and division in the Trad Catholic world over the past 60 years. As I am fond of repeating, the Crisis in the Church is a supernatural mystery that only God can step in and solve. If man could solve it without God's help, after 60 years with all the brilliant minds which have come and gone, we WOULD HAVE SOLVED IT by now.
    Nicely said. 
    God bless.

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #3 on: May 27, 2020, 01:52:34 PM »
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  • Right, they've done the same thing to me, where they are aware of my posting history.

    Dogmatism comes from the fact that because the Major in their argument is dogma, they believe that if they construct an "air-tight" valid syllogism, then the conclusion must be dogma also.  But they don't take into account that the Minor is often not dogma, or that the validity of the syllogism itself is not dogma.  Wherever human reason is involved, the conclusion cannot be dogmatic unless and until confirmed as such by the Church's authority.

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #4 on: May 27, 2020, 02:14:50 PM »
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  • They had nothing good to say about the forum. Just wanted to let you know.
    Have they ever had anything good to say about anyone other than themselves?  That's a serious question.  I've never heard them say, for example, follow this person or read this blog because he's solidly Catholic.


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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #5 on: May 27, 2020, 02:30:16 PM »
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    Have they ever had anything good to say about anyone other than themselves?  
    They compliment very few people and only on certain points.  Basically, everyone else is wrong. They’re like a bunch of whiny, old ladies who constantly gossip about everyone.  “Blessed are the peacemakers...”.  They must have forgotten this Scripture passage. 

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #6 on: May 27, 2020, 02:37:02 PM »
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  • They seem to treat certain positions of theirs as dogma. Some are worth hearing, but are not dogma. They put care into their videos, so perhaps they can be used with caution. Videos not treating of their specific dogmas, are interesting.

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #7 on: May 27, 2020, 02:41:29 PM »
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  • Have they ever had anything good to say about anyone other than themselves?  That's a serious question.  I've never heard them say, for example, follow this person or read this blog because he's solidly Catholic.
    They have a serious issue with self confidence and pride.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #8 on: May 27, 2020, 02:48:16 PM »
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  • They have a serious issue with self confidence and pride.
    Bro Dimond talks as though he's the Pope. He does try support his position, but he plainly thinks himself an authority when he cannot be.

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #9 on: May 27, 2020, 04:06:19 PM »
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  • Bro Dimond talks as though he's the Pope. He does try support his position, but he plainly thinks himself an authority when he cannot be.
    Exactly.

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #10 on: May 27, 2020, 04:16:04 PM »
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  • They seem to treat certain positions of theirs as dogma. Some are worth hearing, but are not dogma. They put care into their videos, so perhaps they can be used with caution. Videos not treating of their specific dogmas, are interesting.
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    I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless even when they are correct.  The only use I would ever make of the Dimonds is a 'how not to' instructional.  They are so consumed with vitriol, so anti-Catholic in their methods, that anything they get right is a happy accident.  I do not just refer to their utter lack of charity, but to the way that they learn Catholic teaching in the first place.  They erect themselves as the interpreters of the Church's most solemn docuмents and encourage their listeners to do the same (although, unsurprisingly, anyone who disagrees with their interpretation is wrong-- funny, that).  There is more than enough of that private interpretation nonsense subverting traditional Catholics already.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #11 on: May 27, 2020, 04:43:10 PM »
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  • Which major do you think is a dogma?  And what is the minor?

    On one issue, the majors include:

    No Salvation Outside the Church

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    The Sacrament of Baptism if necessary for salvation

    On the another issue:

    Indefectibility of the Church's Magisterium

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #12 on: May 27, 2020, 04:56:54 PM »
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  • Bro Dimond talks as though he's the Pope.

    That's because he thinks he's merely restating Catholic dogma.  So, for instance, if I "dogmatically" proclaimed that there are Three Persons in one God, that is not somehow pretending I'm the pope, but merely restating what various Popes have taught.  That kind of dogmatism is Catholic.  So the Dimond Brothers will state "There's No Salvation Outside the Church" dogmatically, and that's no different than my proclaiming the Holy Trinity dogmatically.

    But it's at the next step that they fail to see the problem.  People say they hold that there's No Salvation Outside the Church, but then make various "distinctions" and "interpretations" of what that actually means.  So the Dimonds claim that these distinctions are tantamount to rejecting the dogma OUTRIGHT.  But they're not.  It's a matter of rational human argument whether the distinction is tenable in light of the defined dogma.  That's where they fail.  They claim that if they can produce a syllogism demonstrating that this proposition contradicts dogma, then it's tantamount to rejecting the dogma.

    They make no allowance for the fact that they could have erred in their argument.  Also, even when the argument APPEARS to be valid, if one of the premises is less than de fide, even if it's theologically certain, for example, then the conclusion of the syllogism can be no more than a theological certainty (not a heresy).  That's due to the principle of logic peiorem partem sequitur conclusio.

    In fact, it is perfectly OK to ARGUE that some distinction entails objective heresy.  And some day the Church might agree and confirm your statement that it's heretical.  But, until then, and THIS is the exact point at which they cross the line, it is not OK to consider someone to be a formal heretic and outside the Church.  You see, if someone bothers to make distinctions against defined dogma, that's prima facie evidence that they at least want to conform to Church dogma.  Only God can judge their sincerity in the internal forum, and then only the Church can condemn the proposition as formal heresy in the external forum.

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #13 on: May 27, 2020, 05:26:38 PM »
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  • Not a fan of their tactics nor of all of their positions, but they were the first ones to start waking my husband up....and then I followed.

    Why is this in the anonymous section?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: MHFM badmouthing CathInfo. Did you know that?
    « Reply #14 on: May 27, 2020, 06:37:45 PM »
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  • Not a fan of their tactics nor of all of their positions, but they were the first ones to start waking my husband up....and then I followed.

    Why is this in the anonymous section?

    Yes, I think they have done a lot of good ... although it's been mixed with bad, the fruits of bitter zeal.

    OP appears to be spooked by the fact that the Dimonds were aware of his posts here on CI, and so decided to post Anonymously.

    Of course, given the detail given, i'm sure the Dimonds have figured out who this is.  There's no reason that OP should not de-cloak.