Author Topic: Men who wont work (Read 11906 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #30 on:** February 20, 2013, 11:30:19 PM »

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I don't think that's true. And if you don't like my posts, then don't read them.

Is there something posted in this thread that offends you? If so, please share. maybe we can help.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2013, 12:41:14 AM »

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I've heard of a man in my community that sponges off of in-laws because he's taken a low paying job that fits his image of himself but really doesn't support his family.

I thought the thread was about men who don't work? Now it's about men with poor jobs who don't work 16 hours a day, and the audacity of receiving some aid from the in-laws?

In the old days in-laws, in order to marry off their daughters would provide a lot of money in the form of a dowry.

If they wished their daughter to marry some rich guy who isn't necessarily Catholic - good luck with that. Maybe they'd prefer that their son-in-law is out of the picture, that they could control those children they're "paying for." After all, fathers are passe.

IMO, a lot of middle class people don't really care about the family life of their children. They approve and appreciate this single motherhood society. They admire single mothers, think they make ideal spouses for the poor saps out there who don't deserve to have jobs, if they have jobs don't make enough money, and if they don't have jobs must not want to work.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2013, 12:41:24 AM »

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I don't think that's true. And if you don't like my posts, then don't read them.

Is there something posted in this thread that offends you? If so, please share. maybe we can help.

That's nice of you to ask, but I don't know if you can, because I'm not sure we're working towards the same purpose, but I'll give it a try, since you asked so nicely.

I would be interested in how a wife could constructively deal with this situation, in a catholic way. I'd also be interested in why a catholic husband might decide that the roles of priest and protector was something they could do/wanted to do, but the role of provider wasn't. I mean, there seems to be an assumption that men who are like that are scuм, who make the world a bad place for women and children and are an embarrassment to all good catholic men and I just don't know if I believe that is true. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if some of the people who know them, aren't worse people than the slacker husbands/discouraged providers/wrongly criticized providers they talk/gossip about.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:12:45 AM »

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Why do some "trad" men refuse to work (or are working odd jobs) but see nothing wrong with this? Like they need time to research and write that magna opus and expect the wife to carry the load? And they really believe they are not committing mortal sin and they don't think anyone should complain. The wife has to support the family but he still wants to be in charge.

Like that guy Mr. Skimpole from Bleak House...."I'm just a child you see, I'm innocent.....I'm not capable."

Forget it!

This is the what the OP said. How in-laws supporting a trad man entered into this thread is beyond me.

1. The OP is talking about trad men who won't work...(maybe someone who wants to stay "under the radar" so to speak...That could be.

2. This hypothetical "trad" man "need(s) time to research and write that magna opus". This is someone who intelligent, probably a writer or a teacher on hiatus. Maybe a scientist or investigative journalist.

3. "Forget it!" leaves us to believe that this woman has options. She hasn't made the big mistake of marrying Mr. Skimpole who falls far short of her expectations. Otherwise this would be her penance for her entire life.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #34 on:** February 21, 2013, 01:43:57 PM »

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That's nice of you to ask, but I don't know if you can, because I'm not sure we're working towards the same purpose, but I'll give it a try, since you asked so nicely.

I would be interested in how a wife could constructively deal with this situation, in a catholic way. I'd also be interested in why a catholic husband might decide that the roles of priest and protector was something they could do/wanted to do, but the role of provider wasn't. I mean, there seems to be an assumption that men who are like that are scuм, who make the world a bad place for women and children and are an embarrassment to all good catholic men and I just don't know if I believe that is true. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if some of the people who know them, aren't worse people than the slacker husbands/discouraged providers/wrongly criticized providers they talk/gossip about.

This is a well-thought out response. It seems the OP is frustrated in some way with the seeming dichotomy of a man/husband who wants to enjoy the fruits of marriage (authority over wife and kids, respect from the Catholic community, etc) but in his heart feels a right to refuse his God commanded responsibility. Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly.

See here's the problem with the disobedience of the woman/wife that some have pointed out: she is rebelling against the man because the man is rebelling against God. When a husband doesn't submit to Christ the consequence is the wife and children don't submit to the husband.

So the easiest and most constructive way to repair the situation would be for the man/husband to begin submitting to Christ and in time the wife will follow suit. There are many resources that teach how this is done. Bishop Williamson has taught EXTENSIVELY on this topic. Perhaps listening to his teachings could be a start for someone who isn't clear on it.

Can others chime in on how a man can learn to submit to Christ?

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