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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2019, 03:33:22 PM
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If women who wear subtle makeup up sin, so also do men who wear contacts. They sin by their vanity.
How about men who shave? Is it not obvious that they do so in order to appear presentable?
How about men who carefully comb their hair?
How about men who tuck their shirts in and wear belts? Are they not flaunting their figures?
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I feel like I'm stuck in a Puritan time warp.
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The Puritans came to Plymouth Rock in 1620, and also to CathInfo in 2019.
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If women who wear subtle makeup up sin, so also do men who wear contacts. They sin by their vanity.
How about men who shave? Is it not obvious that they do so in order to appear presentable?
How about men who carefully comb their hair?
How about men who tuck their shirts in and wear belts? Are they not flaunting their figures?
Contacts are medical; makeup is cosmetic.
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I sense some sarcasm in the OP. Surely. I think this post was written to ridicule the women wearing makeup thread.
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Both men and women sin by using deodorant also. So do men who shave their faces.
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Both men and women sin by using deodorant also. So do men who shave their faces.
Even a child can distinguish between grooming and hygiene on the one hand, and cosmetics on the other.
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Even a child can distinguish between grooming and hygiene on the one hand, and cosmetics on the other.
Well, if I tend to have body funk, then I'm deceiving women by hiding my true natural self from them through the application of an unnatural artifice, the deodorant. Since a child can understand the difference, perhaps you could actually articulate the principles behind the distinction rather than hurling puerile taunts.
PS -- we know that it's you, Judith.
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I feel like I'm stuck in a Puritan time warp.
No kidding.
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Well, if I tend to have body funk, then I'm deceiving women by hiding my true natural self from them through the application of an unnatural artifice, the deodorant. Since a child can understand the difference, perhaps you could actually articulate the principles behind the distinction rather than hurling puerile taunts.
PS -- we know that it's you, Judith.
If you think hygiene and grooming are the same as cosmetics, nobody can help you.
Of course, I know you only pretend to believe that:
Kind of like how tge homos latched onto the civil rights movement, which was strictly a racial movement, and was later expanded to include other classes of “oppressed” or underrepresented persons.
In the analogy, the cosmeticians are like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, riding the coattails of hygiene disingenuously to benefit from the formers’ liberty.
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Is whitening your teeth hygenic or cosmetic? What if your teeth are gross looking? Are brown teeth holy?
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Both men and women sin by using deodorant also. So do men who shave their faces.
Not just shaving their faces but what about the new fad of partial beards or 3 day shadow? Isn't that vanity?
What about perfume? Cologne? After shave?
What about dressing like the Mennonites or Amish to appear more pious and devout? Major pride.
Anything can be taken to extremes. :fryingpan:
All things in moderation......especially judging others! :)
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Not just shaving their faces but what about the new fad of partial beards or 3 day shadow? Isn't that vanity?
What about perfume? Cologne? After shave?
What about dressing like the Mennonites or Amish to appear more pious and devout? Major pride.
Anything can be taken to extremes. :fryingpan:
All things in moderation......especially judging others! :)
Sorry forgot to check the box
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If you think hygiene and grooming are the same as cosmetics, nobody can help you.
Of course, I know you only pretend to believe that:
Kind of like how tge homos latched onto the civil rights movement, which was strictly a racial movement, and was later expanded to include other classes of “oppressed” or underrepresented persons.
In the analogy, the cosmeticians are like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, riding the coattails of hygiene disingenuously to benefit from the formers’ liberty.
I speak, of course, of the similarity of tactics, not ad hominem.
Of course, that is equally obvious, but necessary to state, because the next debate tactic will be for 4-5 cosmetologists to feign outrage that “he saying women who wear makeup are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs! Ban him! We can’t take it any longer!”
Meanwhile, a 12 year-Old could spot the disingenuity in this tactic (as with the former one), but there’s a reason tv commercials are produced to appeal to the intellects of 7th graders.
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Is whitening your teeth hygenic or cosmetic? What if your teeth are gross looking? Are brown teeth holy?
And it's perfectly OK for people simply to want to feel good about themselves. What if I have terrible teeth and that in turn makes me want to smile less, and it impacts my social interaction with people because I'm always self-conscious? It's OK for someone to want to be able to smile and not be self-conscious about it.
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Is whitening your teeth hygenic or cosmetic? What if your teeth are gross looking? Are brown teeth holy?
“Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”
Brushing teeth is hygiene/medical.
Whitening teeth is cosmetic.
But your teeth can be whitened accidentally/secondarily while your primary motive is medical (to prevent decay).
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This thread is so full of win. :jester:
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Are there any other moronic attempts to confound hygiene and grooming with cosmetics?
Probably.
No, certainly.
I leave you to your misery.
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I don't think the term "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" is scriptural- where does it come from?
It always reminds me of the contradiction of St John the Baptist who lived in the desert, wore skins and ate locusts and wild honey...He certainly was the greatest among men and closest to God, but probably not too clean. What say you?
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“Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”
Brushing teeth is hygiene/medical.
Whitening teeth is cosmetic.
But your teeth can be whitened accidentally/secondarily while your primary motive is medical (to prevent decay).
This must be the rule of double effect of white teeth in action
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these threads these keep my wine glass full 😂😂
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Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”
It’s not scriptural at all but comes from the heretic, John Calvin, who’s extremism caused him to believe in such false notions. Calvinism is the precursor to the excesses of capitalism (time is money), and the modern “rewarder God” theory which says that you’ll be blessed economically if God loves you
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these threads these keep my wine glass full 😂😂
These threads that keep my wine glass full* mombie brain....
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This must be the rule of double effect of white teeth in action
:laugh1: Perhaps we can find the exact citation for this in the Summa.
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But your teeth can be whitened accidentally/secondarily while your primary motive is medical (to prevent decay).
Oh, for crying out loud, there's nothing sinful about wanting to look good or decent, and to not have yellow/brown teeth. Wanting to look good is typically the primary motivation for grooming. I use mouthwash and deodorant so that I don't smell bad. And there's nothing wrong with not wanting to smell bad or not wanting to look bad. Sure, certain saints did practice heroic virtue in this regard, but there's no SIN in not practicing heroic virtue (in most ordinary circuмstances).
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I work out at the gym not only to feel better and be more healthy, and more strong, but also so I don't get fat and flabby and weak and unmasculine ... so as to embarrass my wife (hey, look at that fat guy she's with). I do not work out to catch the eye of anyone but my wife. And women who use makeup with the same set of intentions ... to look more feminine and to please their husband and not to embarrass them, etc. ... they likewise commit no sin. Now, if they were doing it to get "checked out" by other men, then that's sinful, or if there are degrees of vanity, or if they are excessive in its use ... those are different stories.
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My husband’s aftershave and deodorant makes him smell pretty good, so if he happens to walk by another lady and she catches a whiff, perhaps it’ll make her jealous, or worse she might actually approach him and ask him out?!
Should I be worried?
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I don't think the term "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" is scriptural- where does it come from?
It always reminds me of the contradiction of St John the Baptist who lived in the desert, wore skins and ate locusts and wild honey...He certainly was the greatest among men and closest to God, but probably not too clean. What say you?
Goodness gracious! He was in and out of the Jordan on a regular basis. How dare you disparage St John the Baptist!
:fryingpan: :heretic: :popcorn:
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It’s not scriptural at all but comes from the heretic, John Calvin, who's WHOSE extremism caused him to believe in such false notions. Calvinism is the precursor to the excesses of capitalism (time is money), and the modern “rewarder God” theory which says that you’ll be blessed economically if God loves you
Mother Ligouri said that in 1953. She used to smell real good when she came back to class after lunch. I guess she must had had a shower with lovely smelling soap.
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If women who wear subtle makeup up sin, so also do men who wear contacts. They sin by their vanity.
I had to laugh when I read this thread topic. Here's a random personal anecdote to go along with your (sarcastic) premise:
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I've worn glasses since age 3, but only wore contacts for a few years in my early 20s. At that time, I was helping a small religious group by assisting with the music at some of their retreats. They normally only saw me with contacts, but one evening at a practice, I was wearing my glasses. One of the sisters asked about them and I started to explain why I wasn't wearing contacts at that time, but without letting me finish the sentence, she ended it for me, with "vanity". The thought hadn't crossed my mind as I was only concerned with my eyes getting too dry (per doctor recommendation), but she was probably correct at least to some extent. I certainly (at least at that time) had no practical reason for wearing contacts, it was one of several things I did around that age solely because I thought it would improve my appearance. I completely stopped wearing contacts later not through some virtuous motive (despite Sister's not-so-subtle opinion), but because the arrival of small children and odd sleeping patterns meant I was waking up with contacts stuck to my eyeballs way too often.
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What about the removal of an ugly facial wart or mole? One that's not malignant or anything, just hanging out on the end of somebody's nose... making them look like the Wicked Witch of the West? Is having it removed a sin of vanity? Or is it only sinful if you try to conceal it with make-up? What if your dermatologist isn't even Christian, let alone Catholic. Or a feminist? Or (egads!) a flat-Earther?
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:facepalm:
Contacts can be medically necessary. Ask anyone with keratoconus or a high amount of astigmatism. Glasses can't correct these problems in the way contacts can.
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Even a child can distinguish between grooming and hygiene on the one hand, and cosmetics on the other.
Grooming for males may include shaving; grooming for females may include cosmetics.
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And it's perfectly OK for people simply to want to feel good about themselves. What if I have terrible teeth and that in turn makes me want to smile less, and it impacts my social interaction with people because I'm always self-conscious? It's OK for someone to want to be able to smile and not be self-conscious about it.
Brushing one's teeth so as to not have "brown teeth" is in the same category as a careful application of make up to cover a scar from skin cancer or undereye dark circles.
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Are there any other moronic attempts to confound hygiene and grooming with cosmetics?
Probably.
No, certainly.
I leave you to your misery.
The only way "moron" comes into play here is the "Women should not wear makeup" post.
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I am reading these posts aloud in my medical facility. It is providing much laughter cause everyone from foreign kitchen staff, maintenance people and nurses think I am making it up. Someone smack some sense into the dumba:; who writes this stuff