How does Mass get celebrated say if for the Daily morning Mass there are no servers and only women are in congregation.  Is there a communion paten for communion as women cant go in sanctuary.  Who does responses? Rings bells? 

 I am experienced as an altar server in TLM so i was just curious as to how Mass would proceed in such a scenario in a parish, not a convent. 

Bells are not an essential part of the Mass, but a trimming (for want of a better word). He could have somebody in the church answer the responses or he could say them himself.

I disagree with the practice of allowing women to say the responses during Mass ... even if it is outside the sanctuary.  I consider this a grave abuse.  It's in line with the Novus Ordo's re-casting of the responses at Mass as simply an act of popular participation rather than a public act of the Church.

Now, I also disagree with allowing lay altar servers say the responses.  I believe that these should be uttered by someone in the clerical state.  I believe that the original intent of the Minor Orders needs to be re-established and that all those in the Sanctuary should have received at least Minor Orders.

There aren't nearly enough seminarians for this. We aren't living in normal times, you know.

How would the seminarians pursue their studies and live in common, if a few of them had to be posted to each Mass center so they could serve?

And if you propose having laymen receive minor orders (kind of like the Permanent Diaconate, only for Minor Orders) that would be bad too, as you can't receive Minor Orders without being tonsured first, and then you're a cleric (with all the duties and privileges of that status).

So I fail to understand what you're proposing here.

"For the Crisis to end, and then..."
Well, if that's all it takes, then let's do it!

Matthew

There aren't nearly enough seminarians for this. We aren't living in normal times, you know.

My position is that the Minor Orders shouldn't be limited to seminarians.  They've become reduced from their original intent into a mere stepping stone on the way to the priesthood.

And if you propose having laymen receive minor orders (kind of like the Permanent Diaconate, only for Minor Orders) that would be bad too, as you can't receive Minor Orders without being tonsured first, and then you're a cleric (with all the duties and privileges of that status).

I disagree that it would be bad for laymen to receive Minor Orders.  We can discuss that perhaps later tomorrow.

I disagree with the practice of allowing women to say the responses during Mass ... even if it is outside the sanctuary.  I consider this a grave abuse.  It's in line with the Novus Ordo's re-casting of the responses at Mass as simply an act of popular participation rather than a public act of the Church.

Now, I also disagree with allowing lay altar servers say the responses.  I believe that these should be uttered by someone in the clerical state.  I believe that the original intent of the Minor Orders needs to be re-established and that all those in the Sanctuary should have received at least Minor Orders.

This is interesting and I agree but would love if you could share all you know on the minor orders for laymen. For example I know people like St Thomas More would serve a liturgical role at mass if needed. Would that mean he received a minor order? I assume singers would need to receive a minor order as well as it is a liturgical function. What is the process and obligations of the minor orders?