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Online Stubborn

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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2023, 07:46:11 AM »
The priest at my sspx chapel regularly offers requested masses, including triduum, novena and other masses for free. He asks us to just fill out the envelope.

From SSPV website:
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Request Mass Intentions
The offering requested for an Mass intention does not represent the “purchase” of Mass, but is rather intended to help support for one day the priest who offers it.
The majority of the Mass intentions received through this site are passed along to poorer traditional Catholic priests we know in Mexico, Argentina, Brazil and Nigeria. They rely on these stipends to live.
We are able to receive intentions for:
  • Individual Masses. ($25)
  • Novena Masses. 9 consecutive Masses. ($325)
  • Gregorian Masses. 30 consecutive Masses for a departed soul.  May be offered for one soul only ($850)
Note: Offerings for Mass intentions are not classified as tax-deductible contributions for which an income tax receipt may be given.
Because of our small office staff and because these intentions are sent to priests in various parts of the world, we regret that cannot guarantee a specific offering date in advance, nor can we respond to requests to indicate the exact date on which a particular Mass will be offered.

Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2023, 07:49:37 AM »
Yeah, they say that, but they won't honor a Mass request unless you pay their stipend ... which turns it into a price, despite their disclaimers.  They say you have to individually approach a priest if you can't pay it and see if you can negotiate a lower price with some other priest.  But if you write in to SSPX saying that you don't have the full amount, they make it clear they won't offer a Mass for less.  That makes it a price, not a offering ... despite whatever fine-print language they throw on there.

Of course, there has to be some filter, or some people would just go in there and request 100 Masses each year.  If I were a priest, depending on the request volume, I would limit it to N number of Masses per 3 months or so ... or whatever.

Another thing we have to keep in mind is that a single Mass is of infinite value.  There's technically no difference between having one Mass or 1,000 Masses offered for the same intention, as the single Mass could have the same benefit as 1,000.
Where did you get this?


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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2023, 08:02:36 AM »
I phrased this poorly.  What I was trying to get at, was if your family isn't on board with traditional Catholicism, it could well be that they wouldn't understand that our requirements for a TLM funeral are very specific and would likely not be honored by a NO pastor.  Many families are grief-stricken at times such as this, especially if the death occurs suddenly, and might well just be floundering for what to do in the space of a few days, or would only be able to tell the funeral director "well, he was Catholic", and the funeral director wouldn't know either, and would arrange to do the NO thing because that's what they're used to when Catholics die.  My own poor mother wouldn't have a clue, and my son is 15 and wouldn't be able to articulate just what it is that I want.  I have left detailed instructions out of necessity.
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I've seen this many times at my chapel, and the way it works when I've seen it is that the family couldn't care less about the wishes of the deceased, and believe in the NO, so that's how they bury their "loved" one. It's not a matter of understanding the importance of something; it's just "I don't care what grandma wanted; this is how we're doing it."

It's an act of appalling impiety even on the natural level, but what can you expect from modernist heretics? To dishonor the dying wishes of a family member is something even the pagans held in abhorrence. But even the morals of the pagans are long gone in the new church, so for Novus Ordo types to ignore the dying request of their parent or grandparent is something they consider just fine.

That's why I said you can't trust NO people to honor your wishes, which means you can't give them the legal right to decide what kind of funeral you will receive.

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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2023, 08:11:05 AM »
Another thing we have to keep in mind is that a single Mass is of infinite value.  There's technically no difference between having one Mass or 1,000 Masses offered for the same intention, as the single Mass could have the same benefit as 1,000.
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Hmm, interesting point. I've seen this question discussed in books on the Mass, and everything I've read says the opposite. The explanation is a bit complex. Yes, the Mass is infinite with regard to God, but finite with regard to man, because the person who offers it does so with only a certain amount of fervor and devotion, likewise the priest who says the Mass, etc.

The Mass accomplishes the four ends of prayer: adoration, contrition, thanksgiving and supplication. Since there is no intrinsic limit on the amount of adoration or thanksgiving we can give to God, the books say that every Mass gives an infinite amount of those two things to God, but contrition refers to having our sins or temporal punishment forgiven, and supplication refers to what favors we can obtain from God. Since those two things are finite, the amount of temporal punishment the Mass can remove is limited by our dispositions, as well as the amount of favors we can ask for.

This is why the Church encourages people to have many Masses offered for an intention, and why she has supported things like foundations of Masses, in which some rich nobleman would leave a fortune to a monastery when he dies, in exchange for them saying Mass for him every day until the end of the world. If the effect of one Mass were the same in this sense as 1,000 Masses, such an act would be meaningless.

Also, the authors say that if one Mass had infinite benefits with regard to the human race through all four ends of prayer, including contrition and supplication, one Mass would empty out Purgatory and convert every sinner in the world and obtain every good thing possible for every human being, which is clearly not the case.

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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2023, 08:20:17 AM »
Here is a passage on the subject from Fr. Nicholas Gihr's famous and most excellent work on the Mass:


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But the case is different when the Eucharistic Sacrifice is considered in its relation to man. From this point of view it aims at procuring our salvation and sanctification, and is, consequently, a means of grace, or rather a source of grace, bringing us the riches of heavenly blessings. ‘The Mass, especially as a sacrifice of propitiation and petition, produces for men the operations of grace. Assuredly, acts of propitiation and petition are offered to God in the Mass, but with the intent and purpose that He may be moved by reason of the sacrifice of propitiation and petition to restore us again to His favor and to impart to us His gifts. As has already been indicated, the value and dignity, that is, the intrinsic efficacy, of the Eucharistic Sacrifice is infinitely great in this respect also, that is, in appeasing an irritated God and moving His mercy to grant us His benefits. For the entire ransom paid for our redemption, the immense treasure of satisfaction and merit which was acquired on the Cross, are all upon the altar ever presented anew and offered by Christ to His Heavenly Father, that they may be applied to man- kind, ‘The Sacrifice of the Mass, accordingly, contains not only a superabundant atonement for the remission of all possible sins and punishments, but also an inexhaustible fund for the purchasing of innumerable graces and goods. Nevertheless, — as it is in the nature of things — the Mass cannot produce for man or in man infinite effects. For positively infinite effects are impossible as to number or magnitude; nor would the finite creature be capable of receiving them. ‘The fruits which the Sacrifice of the Mass obtains for us from God are only finite, that is, restricted to a certain number and determined measure, as is also the case in the Sacrifice of the Cross. + The Sacrifice of the Mass, therefore, with respect to man can have only a restricted efficacy, and in its fruits is capable of only a limited application. ‘This restriction and limitation of the fruits of the Eucharistic Sacrifice may be understood in a two-fold sense — intensive and extensive.

The Sacrifice of the Mass does not always produce effects so great and so manifold as the capacity of the recipients would warrant; it acts rather in an intensively limited degree, that is, its effects are restricted to a definite measure, even if they are different in individual cases — sometimes greater, sometimes less. — ‘This is confirmed by the practice of the Church, according to which the Holy Sacrifice is not seldom repeatedly offered for obtaining some benefit, for example, the deliverance of a suffering soul from purgatory, the conversion of a sinner, health of body. If the Eucharistic Sacrifice always yielded the entire efficacy of which it is capable, a single: holy Mass would actually suffice to obtain as many and as great blessings as are desired. — Evidently the reason of its limited efficacy does not lie in the essence and value of the Sacrifice, since it possesses infinite power for producing every effect; nor is it solely and alone due to the greater or less susceptibility of the person for whom the fruit of the Sacrifice is applied. This susceptibility, nevertheless, is duly considered therein, for it exerts its influence upon the measure of the fruit of the sacrifice to be obtained; but the final and decisive reason for the more or less plentiful application of the sacrificial graces is the will of Christ, in other words, is to be sought in the positive ordinance of God. ‘The Sacrifice of the Mass is a means of grace ; for it is intended to convey to us the riches of redemption. But for this there is need of a positive ordinance on the part of God. The Eucharistic Sacrifice can communicate graces to us only in as much and in as far as it is destined by God for this purpose. Now, in the distribution of His gifts, God requires our co-operation ; the better our preparation, the more liberal is He, as a tule, in the dispensation of His graces. ‘I‘his is the case not only with the Sacraments, but also in regard to the Holy Mass. ‘The greatness of the fruit of the Sacrifice to be derived by us, therefore, is determined by God, but with regard to the dispositions of those for whom the Mass is offered. — But here above all the good pleasure and the wise providence of God, who lovingly ordains all things, must be taken into consideration; then the merciful will of the High Priest Jesus Christ, who offers and presents on the altar the price of His Blood to the Heavenly Father for specific effects, more or less great ; finally, also the subjective state of the recipient of the effects of the Sacrifice. — As we are bound to pray without intermission, the Sacrifice also must be offered without ceasing, in order that we may obtain the fruit and the graces desired. God has so ordained it, because the uninterrupted celebration of the Mass more effectually promotes His honor and our salvation.