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« Reply #90 on: Yesterday at 01:48:51 PM »
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  • That's not what is going on here. 21 to 25 is one age range, but the examples and very odd remarks are another when the ages of 12-14 are thrown out with comments such as "chicky chicks".
    Apologies, but I think your bias might be  causing you to miss the gaslighting and grooming comments made by some of the posters.

    What bias? I have 2 sons and 7 daughters. I'm as impartial as they come.
    You do *not* love your daughters more than I love mine.

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    « Reply #91 on: Yesterday at 02:29:39 PM »
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  • That's not what is going on here. 21 to 25 is one age range, but the examples and very odd remarks are another when the ages of 12-14 are thrown out with comments such as "chicky chicks".
    Apologies, but I think your bias might be  causing you to miss the gaslighting and grooming comments made by some of the posters.
    If we want to have a real discussion without tip-toeing around words then let's take this to the men's forum.
    Do you think it possible that that WWCS is using the phrase "chicky chics" to push user's buttons, and that it is working?  :popcorn:
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108


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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #92 on: Yesterday at 02:38:22 PM »
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  • Rather than accuse users of being sɛҳuąƖly frustrated, incels, porn addicts, molesters, and molestees, let us hear some rational arguments as to why it would be immoral for a male, of any age, to marry a female aged, let's say, 14-16 years old with parental consent. Most users will certainly find marriage of ages 14-15 creepy, weird, etc. (16 as well, but maybe slightly less so)..but let's hear some logical, rational arguments as to why it is immoral 
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #93 on: Yesterday at 02:41:29 PM »
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  • Do you think it possible that that WWCS is using the phrase "chicky chics" to push user's buttons, and that it is working?  :popcorn:
    Yes. He just loves to fight with the women.
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    « Reply #94 on: Yesterday at 03:12:58 PM »
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  • Yeah but they still resent a man being attracted to the chicky chics rather than themselves who have little to no Attraction Market Value. They're vindictive for this reason. :popcorn:
    Attraction Market Value? Now you have said the quiet part out loud. The title of this thread should be "sɛҳuąƖ Attraction." Maybe we need a thread on "When does sɛҳuąƖ attraction and oogling females veer into sinful behavior?"

    Catholic men, in spite of the human tendency to fall into sin by objectifying women in terms of their sɛҳuąƖ attraction, try to rise above focusing on the Attraction Market Value of a woman. Instead, Catholic men bring to mind their wives, mothers, sisters and other females who they know would not want to be leered at and do their best to avert their eyes, especially when immodest dress is what is increading the Attraction Market Value.

    How many non-Catholics who are interested in becomming Catholic see a thread like this and are disgusted by the immature blathering about sɛҳuąƖ attraction. They may think "What the heck; I heard tradition was true Catholiocism, but these people are low lifes."

    Catholic teaching says "Concupiscence stems from the disobedience of the first sin. It unsettles man's moral faculties and, without being in itself an offence, inclines man to commit sins."


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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #95 on: Yesterday at 03:29:50 PM »
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  • Rather than accuse users of being sɛҳuąƖly frustrated, incels, porn addicts, molesters, and molestees, let us hear some rational arguments as to why it would be immoral for a male, of any age, to marry a female aged, let's say, 14-16 years old with parental consent. Most users will certainly find marriage of ages 14-15 creepy, weird, etc. (16 as well, but maybe slightly less so)..but let's hear some logical, rational arguments as to why it is immoral
    Well technically it is not immoral (It is hard for me to write that because I know some women will take that the wrong way, and what do I really know about daughters, I have none)  But to be honest the likelihood of finding a woman in that age range that is willing to marry and parents let marry is probably very little.

    The arguments is that this society (the year 2025) has not prepared, no supports women making that choice at that age.  Women will do what is standard.  They will not look different to their friends.  It is really not a discussion of morality, but a discussion of reality.

    And on the flip side a majority of young men do not respect woman as they should.  I don't want to argue about this.  I just want it admitted that both men and women are imperfect.  Instead of attacking the imperfections we should try to find things to encourage each other with.

    Just my two cents from paying attention to what the young woman are talking about.  It matters to me because I have sons.  My thought process is that it might be easier for my sons to pay attention to whomever God puts in their path and if the woman is not already a Traditional Catholic that she is open to converting.  My sons are probably going to have to be expert apologists (Is that the right word?).  Anyways, I digress. 

    I really do have a lot of sympathy for a single, traditional man in the world.  It is not easy.  I am also afraid that it is going to get harder before it gets better.

    If you are really interested, befriend their dads, because if the daughter-father relationship is good, the daughter will not do anything that disappoints her father.  Meaning that if the father dislikes you, then you have no chance with the daughter.
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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #96 on: Yesterday at 03:52:23 PM »
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  • SMV or sɛҳuąƖ Market Value is the overall score or value a man or woman has in the dating (or for Catholics, Marriage) market.

    We're not talking about value before God, or intrinsic value. We're talking how about VALUED or SOUGHT AFTER they are. It's about parity or equality in the relationship, which is absolutely critical if you want a STABLE lasting marriage. You don't want one spouse to realize 1 year into the marriage that he or she could have done MUCH better by marrying just about anyone else.

    All things being equal:
    Healthy? More value. Unhealthy? Less value.
    Intelligent? More value. Slower? Less value.
    Younger? More value. Older? Less value.
    Virgin? More value. High body count? Less value.

    And we each score these differently, that's the thing. Some score smoking/nonsmoking, tattoos/no tattoos, etc.

    And so on. You get the idea.

    The point is, everyone has plusses and minuses, and those total scores should ROUGHLY line up, or the marriage is doomed to collapse. An ugly 30 year old sailor $20,000 in debt isn't a good match for an intelligent, beautiful 18 year old virgin with a great education. If he got so lucky in marriage, he better enjoy it because it won't last.
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    « Reply #97 on: Yesterday at 03:58:40 PM »
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  • Attraction Market Value? Now you have said the quiet part out loud. The title of this thread should be "sɛҳuąƖ Attraction." Maybe we need a thread on "When does sɛҳuąƖ attraction and oogling females veer into sinful behavior?"

    Catholic men, in spite of the human tendency to fall into sin by objectifying women in terms of their sɛҳuąƖ attraction, try to rise above focusing on the Attraction Market Value of a woman. Instead, Catholic men bring to mind their wives, mothers, sisters and other females who they know would not want to be leered at and do their best to avert their eyes, especially when immodest dress is what is increading the Attraction Market Value.

    How many non-Catholics who are interested in becomming Catholic see a thread like this and are disgusted by the immature blathering about sɛҳuąƖ attraction. They may think "What the heck; I heard tradition was true Catholiocism, but these people are low lifes."

    I don't care about optics. That kind of thinking leads to the neo-SSPX, compromise with the World and Vatican II, and hiring corporate branding agencies.

    You are totally going off-base here into distraction land. What are you talking about sinful behavior in this context? Define your terms. I won't accept imprecise or vague terms like "ogling". This isn't CNN and we aren't going to call people nebulous terms like "racist". What does that even mean? You tell us.

    Are we talking about immoral speech? Sins of thought? Seeking fornication? Impure actions? Self abuse? Let's be specific.

    Like with other communist propaganda, like "hate crime", there are already laws against assault, murder, etc. We don't need specific laws against "hate crimes". And are some crimes "love crimes"? When a white man breaks a bottle over a white man's head, is it done out of love?

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #98 on: Yesterday at 04:00:05 PM »
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  • In conclusion:

    When we talk about ladies being attractive, we are talking about physical beauty. That's it. Not talking about committing ANY KIND of sins with them.

    Committing a sin because a woman is beautiful, cute, is neither here nor there, and has nothing to do with this conversation.

    It goes without saying we are not to commit sin. The question is about natural beauty itself, why men are attracted to beauty, etc.

    Beauty is only one factor in a person's "total score" BTW. There are countless other things men and women look for in a spouse.
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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #99 on: Yesterday at 04:23:24 PM »
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  • In conclusion:

    When we talk about ladies being attractive, we are talking about physical beauty. That's it. Not talking about committing ANY KIND of sins with them.
    I think we have lost the ability to recognize beautiful bodies without equating it to something sinful.  How do we start seeing God in all things?  How do we recognize are own sins and not project them on to others?  I don't have the answers, but I don't think we can just ignore it either and hope this goes away.

    Wasn't there a time period where compliments were good things?  Why are we so afraid of them now?
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    « Reply #100 on: Yesterday at 05:58:05 PM »
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  • That's not what is going on here. 21 to 25 is one age range, but the examples and very odd remarks are another when the ages of 12-14 are thrown out with comments such as "chicky chicks".
    Apologies, but I think your bias might be  causing you to miss the gaslighting and grooming comments made by some of the posters.
    If we want to have a real discussion without tip-toeing around words then let's take this to the men's forum.
    There was only one poster calling teens chicky chicks and it wasn't just early teens but late teens too. Secondly grooming is a meme term. When a man and a women gets married they are called the Bride and BridesGROOM. Girls who are getting married are supposed to be 'groomed' by their parents and then husbands to be a proper wife and mother, it's literally in the name. But you take it the won't way because of what some evil people do by mistreating girls.

    Also I haven't seen anyone refute the DATA posted earlier, before protestantism andfreemasons, roughly 90% of girls were married by 18 to older men. This is a historical reality that can't be dismissed.


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    « Reply #101 on: Yesterday at 06:01:05 PM »
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  • For example,

    Man: "there are a few preteen girls at my chapel. Maybe in a few years there will be some options for marriage..."

    Mother of preteen girl: "Ok, buddy, let's see if you're established enough to get married a few years from now. You really need to make sure you bring something to the table besides drawing breath. I would certainly advise my daughter against marrying someone like you, who has so little to offer. And I have raised her in such a way that she values my advice. So good luck on that!"

    See how easy that was? No name calling or exaggeration necessary. You can be frank. You can be brutal. Just don't call names or exaggerate (which is a form of lying) by calling someone "pedophile" which is defined as "a perversion wherein a person is sɛҳuąƖly attracted to pre-pubescent children".
    Yes thank you, the reason I make these posts is because I like to see real discussions like this, it helps both the men and women Under their place. It also shows who has feminists conditioning.

    Instead most of the 'arguments' have been insults like, pedo, incel, muhamhead etc.

    Frankly I don't need to make these posts, because I feel like I have options at my chapel. But it's still good to discuss.

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    « Reply #102 on: Yesterday at 06:03:59 PM »
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  • Rather than accuse users of being sɛҳuąƖly frustrated, incels, porn addicts, molesters, and molestees, let us hear some rational arguments as to why it would be immoral for a male, of any age, to marry a female aged, let's say, 14-16 years old with parental consent. Most users will certainly find marriage of ages 14-15 creepy, weird, etc. (16 as well, but maybe slightly less so)..but let's hear some logical, rational arguments as to why it is immoral
    Frankly they won't be able to and they know it. There is no logical argument I can think off, except failure to raise a a mature daughter by her late teens, the only exception is for individual personality and temperament, but even then parents have the right to refuse marriage under 18. So maybe there is something I missed that I can't think of. But the historical and biological data is very clear.

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    « Reply #103 on: Yesterday at 06:04:39 PM »
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  • Yes. He just loves to fight with the women.
    It should be obvious from this posts denying origin sin..  unfortunately many users here conflate his comments with other users.

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    « Reply #104 on: Yesterday at 06:11:21 PM »
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  • Attraction Market Value? Now you have said the quiet part out loud. The title of this thread should be "sɛҳuąƖ Attraction." Maybe we need a thread on "When does sɛҳuąƖ attraction and oogling females veer into sinful behavior?"

    Catholic men, in spite of the human tendency to fall into sin by objectifying women in terms of their sɛҳuąƖ attraction, try to rise above focusing on the Attraction Market Value of a woman. Instead, Catholic men bring to mind their wives, mothers, sisters and other females who they know would not want to be leered at and do their best to avert their eyes, especially when immodest dress is what is increading the Attraction Market Value.

    How many non-Catholics who are interested in becomming Catholic see a thread like this and are disgusted by the immature blathering about sɛҳuąƖ attraction. They may think "What the heck; I heard tradition was true Catholiocism, but these people are low lifes."

    Catholic teaching says "Concupiscence stems from the disobedience of the first sin. It unsettles man's moral faculties and, without being in itself an offence, inclines man to commit sins."
    Is there something strange about attraction? A man can be attracted to young ladies without having sinful thoughts or oogling them. You know it's not just guys who feel attraction to pretty girls, but girls also feel similar in regards to good looking guys, the only difference is that most girls are pretty to most guys (especially when young) but most guys are not good looking to most girls. Guys tend to rate objectively and based on personal taste on a scale of 1-10, while girls will rate men either as a Yes or No. With Yes! Or No! Variations instead of 1-10.

    Other than the rude comments what is so immature about human biology? Why can't you accept that man are attracted to young ladies? History and biology both agree on this, only modern people disagree due to non-Catholic brainwashing.

    As a young man, seeing a young girl makes me want to protect and care for her, not the sinful thoughts you have suggested. With older girls I can still find them attractive but my manly instincts are less interested.

    Do you know that men are the romantic gender not women?