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Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
« on: May 03, 2025, 09:00:54 AM »
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  • Consider a person coming to the Catholic Faith later in life and getting baptized aged 40.
    This person also was intimate with one woman before getting to know the Catholic Faith
    and converting.

    Should this man still pursue marriage or should this person remain single?

    I have often read on this forum that men and women who have lived chastely before
    getting married deserve to marry a man or a woman who has done the same. This sounds
    very reasonable. Given that, wouldn't it be better for such a person with a non-chaste past
    to stop searching for a spouse and instead focus on living a single, devoted life?

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2025, 01:46:46 PM »
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  • Consider a person coming to the Catholic Faith later in life and getting baptized aged 40.
    This person also was intimate with one woman before getting to know the Catholic Faith
    and converting.

    Should this man still pursue marriage or should this person remain single?

    I have often read on this forum that men and women who have lived chastely before
    getting married deserve to marry a man or a woman who has done the same. This sounds
    very reasonable. Given that, wouldn't it be better for such a person with a non-chaste past
    to stop searching for a spouse and instead focus on living a single, devoted life?
    I'm sure you're not the first single man to convert to the Faith later in life (and with a less than perfect past life). I don't think there is Church teaching that states that this sort of convert MUST remain single.  Have you ever considered that perhaps God has a similar woman out there for you? Maybe you are meant to remain single.  Maybe not.  I would seek out a faithful, holy Traditional Catholic priest to help direct you in this as you learn more about your new self and the Faith.  God Bless you on your conversion!  


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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2025, 02:02:54 PM »
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  • Yes, there are a variety of people out there. Yes, those situation/circuмstances should line up more or less, at least in total points. Consider each potential spouse as having a score, with many points to be graded on: age, looks, intelligence, race, past, virtues, wealth, health, and dozens of others. Men are graded similarly. You get a total score. Now there are no hard and fast rules obviously, and no one gets out a calculator (because there are no number values for these things anyway). But in practice, this is how it happens every time.

    You can even throw in complexities like "low self esteem" or "desperation" subtracts 100 points, making you seem less valuable than you are, making an otherwise great "catch" willing to settle way beneath their league, for some mysterious reason.

    But in practice, people do this automatically without thinking. You have to give a little, get a little. Everyone brings certain things to the table. You want some kind of equity in marriage. If you bring good looks, virginity, and wealth to the table, you can expect to take away more than if you have less to offer. But which things do you want to compromise on? Age, height, weight, existing children, her past, etc.? Everyone is different, so you have to pick your poison. Do you want a homely virgin, or a more attractive woman with 2 kids and a past?

    And yes, life isn't fair. Some men are given a better total score by birth. Such is life. Most men learn to live with this, just as most men accept their station in health, wealth, height, and many other things. Life isn't fair is one of the first things you learn in life. You quickly accept it and move on.

    In short, you do want a marriage between persons of a similar "score", otherwise it's a recipe for future disaster. A marriage between 2 disparate scores is not normal, and very unstable in its foundation. Water seeks its own level. Nature has a normal way of operating. A rich, attractive man with no past and tons of virtue doesn't normally marry a homely disabled woman with a past. At least not for long he doesn't. Eventually he'll figure out his mistake, and unless he has heroic virtue, he's going to stray. Or, if he doesn't stray, he's certainly going to have 100% of the power in that marriage, which might be abused by the spouse who "married down". What is she going to do? She won the friggin lottery and she knows it. That kind of thing. And even if it doesn't lead to adultery or blackmail/abuse, there is 100% going to be resentment, as soon as one spouse figures out "he could have done better".

    It should be obvious that it's going to be far more stable for a couple of comparable "total score" to marry.

    That's the complexity of marriage and finding a suitable spouse. So the conclusion is, if you're eligible for marriage, go ahead and court whoever is single. Just make sure to never lie about anything. The question is, what will you have to "give up" compared to a 25 year old, healthy Catholic man who saved himself for marriage? Something of course, but most people don't get to choose "top shelf" anyhow. Like I said, that is life. How many of us have incredible health, stunning looks, six pack abs, a $500K yearly income, 6 foot 2", and a 200 IQ? Very few of us indeed.

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2025, 03:43:28 PM »
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  • Consider a person coming to the Catholic Faith later in life and getting baptized aged 40.
    This person also was intimate with one woman before getting to know the Catholic Faith
    and converting.

    Should this man still pursue marriage or should this person remain single?

    I have often read on this forum that men and women who have lived chastely before
    getting married deserve to marry a man or a woman who has done the same. This sounds
    very reasonable. Given that, wouldn't it be better for such a person with a non-chaste past
    to stop searching for a spouse and instead focus on living a single, devoted life?

    There's no principle of Catholic moral theology to dictate any course of action.

    But what's striking is that you seem to be creating a false dilemma.  So, if you decide that this man should not date someone who's been chaste her entire life, he should stay single?  Well, there are plenty of prospective spouses out there who also have not been chaste their entire lives.

    Yet there's nothing to prevent even eventually marrying a chaste individual, provided IMO that this person is OK with it.  On one hand, she may not ask ... but perhaps that's just because she's too shy to or feels awkward asking.  Yet later when the initial "romance" period wears off, she could end up coming to resent it.  I should think it would be prudent that somewhere after you've gone past the initial casual date (just to test the waters) and before things get serious, you would mention it to the prospective spouse.  At that point, if she has a past, then she could also volunteer the information and then you needn't be worried about being "unworthy" in that regard, or else she might decided that she's willing to accept that ... or not, but then you've given her the choice, rather than making her feel later when it came out that you had deceived her and then resenting you for it.  Now obviously you don't blurt this out on your first date until everyone in your county knows about your past ... only to have things not work out and you divulged it for no reason, so you would wait a little while, but not so long that you've gotten her attached to you and thus put her into a much more difficult situation, where her feelings for you would override any hesitation she might have on those grounds, but then once those feelings have worn off and things get tough, she might resent you for it.

    Bottom line is that you just pray God to send you where He wants, so that if it's His will that you and somoene else (chaste or unchaste) get married, that He should work it out for you.  There's no absolute, "well, I have to be single now".

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2025, 03:51:36 PM »
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  • I posted about the spouse scoring system above.
    I don't think virgin = +/- 1000 points, where everything else is 1, 5, or 10 points. I think for some people looks, wealth, or health might be much higher in weight than body count. It really depends on the person.

    What I was suggesting earlier, is that yes you can even court and marry a woman who is a virgin, as long as you're willing to give on several other things. I do believe having a past will deduct more points than many other attributes, at least for the majority of people. So it is a big deduction. But not insurmountable, as long as you're willing to pay attention to a girl who is otherwise ignored, maybe a bit older, maybe has a few other flaws, or maybe not of the white race. What I'm also saying is that you can't be picky. You screwed up by fornicating, and I assume you're penitent so you won't mind my saying that. You are going to have to face certain consequences. But that is part of your penance, right? If you accept this, you may yet be able to marry a girl without a past, who is a bit less beautiful. At least if you want to still enjoy marrying a virgin. Just some food for thought.


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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2025, 07:59:26 PM »
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  • Do you think most Catholic men in history have been chaste before getting married? As long as he’s not dysfunctional and has put the past behind him, it shouldn’t be a problem. 

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2025, 08:00:41 PM »
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  • Until 1917 CIC was promulgated the minimum age was 12 for women and 14 for men, now it is 14 for women and 16 for men 

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2025, 08:11:54 PM »
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  • Until 1917 CIC was promulgated the minimum age was 12 for women and 14 for men, now it is 14 for women and 16 for men
    Accidentally I kept this anonymous it was me who posted this comment by the way and in the wrong post 
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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2025, 08:57:09 PM »
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  • Do women care about virginity as much as men?