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« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 04:50:29 PM »
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  • And what priest is going to marry a couple without a marriage license?
    If the government says no to marriage because some countries you need their permission to get married under 18, will the priest still marry them?

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    « Reply #46 on: Today at 12:55:55 AM »
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  • If the government says no to marriage because some countries you need their permission to get married under 18, will the priest still marry them?
    Lex injustia non est lex


    this “law” is particularly egregious as it could lead to the damnation of some men due to sins of the flesh 


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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #47 on: Today at 05:37:39 AM »
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  • And what priest is going to marry a couple without a marriage license?
    actually, a catholic couple can get married without a priest marrying them and without the state involved as long as the couple has witnesses to their marriage. they can get married by professing vows to themselves with witnesses, and that marriage is still valid to the catholic church

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  • actually, a catholic couple can get married without a priest marrying them and without the state involved as long as the couple has witnesses to their marriage. they can get married by professing vows to themselves with witnesses, and that marriage is still valid to the catholic church
    Interesting, I knew that baptism and matrimony did not require a valid minister but I am unsure of the details (for matrimony). So lets assume that a man wishes to marry a 16yr old girl,, she agrees, both parents agree, the government says no (though can legally fornicate in most western nations/state) and the SSPX says no. How would a valid marriage work here? Also why then does the SSPX like to brag about having 'authority' to have confessions and marriages if you can marry without a priest?

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    Re: Marrying Later in Life as a Convert
    « Reply #49 on: Today at 08:11:27 AM »
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  • Interesting, I knew that baptism and matrimony did not require a valid minister but I am unsure of the details (for matrimony). So lets assume that a man wishes to marry a 16yr old girl,, she agrees, both parents agree, the government says no (though can legally fornicate in most western nations/state) and the SSPX says no. How would a valid marriage work here? Also why then does the SSPX like to brag about having 'authority' to have confessions and marriages if you can marry without a priest?
    The man and woman being married are the ministers of the sacrament of matrimony. Canon law allows marriage to be contracted without the presence of a priest if no priest will be able to be present within one month. To your question, I believe the state would have no right to forbid that marriage. That contradicts ecclesiastical law as Canon law gives the ages of 16 for men and 14 for women as minimum ages for entering into a valid marriage, and the parents of the girl consent

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    1. Only the supreme authority of the Church declares authentically whenever divine law impedes or invalidates marriage.

    § 2. It also belongs exclusively to the same supreme authority to constitute, through either
    universal or particular law, other impeding or diriment impediments to marriage for the baptized
    If the SSPX refused, the couple should try other trad groups. If they all refused, I think they would be able to validly and licitly marry, in the presence of witnesses only, according to Canon 1098
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108