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Marrying in this day in age
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:04:57 AM »
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  • What should a Trad Catholic do if he marries in the Church but later, his wife divorces him without fault? In this day in age, How do you assure that Marriage is lifelong when the civil laws allow divorce so easily?  I believe that divorce ought to be banned by the civil authorities. Plus you have Jorge Bergoglio's easy annulment mills to make matters worse. What ought a trad man who has become a victim to this do?


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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 08:22:17 AM »
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  • You only get once chance... unless you become a widower. So, if you marry someone who divorces you later, that's it. Put up with it.

    "His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry." Matthew 19:10

    Yes divorce should be outlawed.. that has always been the teaching of the Church.

    If you don't want to become a victim.. don't marry, or choose very wisely.
     


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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #2 on: April 26, 2017, 09:58:51 AM »
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  • What should a Trad Catholic do if he marries in the Church but later, his wife divorces him without fault? In this day in age, How do you assure that Marriage is lifelong when the civil laws allow divorce so easily?  I believe that divorce ought to be banned by the civil authorities. Plus you have Jorge Bergoglio's easy annulment mills to make matters worse. What ought a trad man who has become a victim to this do?
    Are you in such a situation?   :-[  If so, you will have our prayers and greatest sympathy...    :pray: :pray: :pray:

    It is true that divorce should be banned by civil authorities...  Yet, the key factor is making sure that one's spouse is truly a devout Catholic before getting married.  The conscience of a truly virtuous Catholic would not let him or her even consider a divorce, and that is more binding that any sort of civil authority.  The problem is that most people do not make this their primary deal-breaker when considering marriage.

    Actually...  Along this topic...  Over the past few days someone I know, who recently converted to the traditional Catholic Faith, reconnected with me after doing so, and tried to pressure me into committing to a relationship with him.  Yet, after a couple days I quickly came to realize that his heart was not fully into the Faith, and I had to tell him that as long as such was the case; I could not even consider his proposals.  

    I have seen so many failed marriages take place, and the main reason for this was that God was not the center of the marriage.  Which reminds me of a quote from a book which I have been reading, "I could not love thee dear, so much, loved I not honour more."  (Yet, switch honour to God, and you have it...)  

    Hope this helps!  Keep fighting the good fight and may God bless you! :)
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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 10:36:55 AM »
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  • the key factor is making sure that one's spouse is truly a devout Catholic before getting married.  The conscience of a truly virtuous Catholic would not let him or her even consider a divorce, and that is more binding that any sort of civil authority.  The problem is that most people do not make this their primary deal-breaker when considering marriage.
    This is the main point here -- all too many Trads fail to make "they're not a solid, devout Catholic" a complete deal-breaker.

    The Catholic Church normally forbids mixed-marriages, requiring a dispensation to marry a non-Catholic, and you still don't get the Nuptial Blessing even if you get that dispensation.

    But how many people take that seriously? Or, how many take that rule in the right spirit? I feel sorry for anyone who looks at the Catholic Church like a mean old fuddy-duddy, a spoil sport, someone out to piss on our parade. On the contrary -- the Church is the Bride of Christ, looking out ONLY for OUR OWN best interests. We should trust Her judgment rather than groan at her rules and restrictions. The same goes for God and His Ten Commandments, but I digress...

    Unless your sweetheart shows every sign of being a devout Catholic, you shouldn't even consider marrying them. It's true that strictly speaking there are no guarantees. But that doesn't mean you can't increase your chances.

    My favorite philosophy: "winners make their own luck". You have to do everything you can. Don't make stupid moves and then blame God, "luck" or "the way it goes" for your misfortunes.

    Yes, strictly speaking a person could fall from grace. And yes, strictly speaking any person COULD convert. But that doesn't mean it's "anything goes" and "anyone's guess" on which marriages will last and which will fail.

    You want MORAL CERTAINTY that your prospective spouse is a good Catholic, and intends to stay Catholic for life. We can't get scientific certainty, but moral certainty is sufficient to make a prudential judgment, which is what the decision to marry is.

    But as with any prudential judgment, the more information you have the better. That is what DATING is for -- not for "getting away with as much as you can", not for titillating the senses, not for "fun", but to really get to know a person so you can make a good judgment on whether or not they are good marriage material.

    It's not that difficult, and certainly not impossible, to get to know someone well in a few months. Just have deep conversations, meet their friends and especially family members, and keep your eyes open. If you are used to loving the truth and embracing it, you will find it as always. But if you're used to deceit, especially lying to your own self, then beware!

    - Matthew

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 10:45:53 AM »
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  • I don't know about the whole make sure your potential spouse is a devout Catholic thing. Simply because there are so few devout Catholics in the world if everyone followed that advice almost nobody would get married. There are only around a million traditional Catholics in the world, but how many of them are devout? Maybe a hundred thousand. And of those, how many are single and looking to get married? Maybe twenty thousand. So if everyone only considered marrying devout Catholics, we would have at most twenty thousand people getting married and everyone else would remain single.


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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 11:00:29 AM »
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  • The point of getting married is to raise children for Heaven, and help each other there.

    If you don't marry a devout Catholic. . . Then you're marrying someone helping you and them to Hell instead.

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 11:07:00 AM »
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  • The point of getting married is to raise children for Heaven, and help each other there.

    If you don't marry a devout Catholic. . . Then you're marrying someone helping you and them to Hell instead.
    But there are almost no devout Catholics in the world who are looking for marriage partners. Sure, it would be better to marry a devout Catholic, but since there are so few available, either nine-tenths of traditional Catholics will never marry and there will be no next generation, or they will have to settle for a non-devout Catholic.

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 11:20:12 AM »
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  • You don't seem to get the point.


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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2017, 11:25:15 AM »
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  • You don't seem to get the point.
    I think I do get the point, but I think the advice is unrealistic.

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2017, 11:36:39 AM »
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  • I must second what AMDGJMJ and Matthew said. 

    Single Catholics need to be cautious to not lower the standards of finding a potential spouse because it can mean heaven or hell for their soul and that of the other party. 

    My own mistake has been in the past to not been honest with myself and too hasty. I have been better about it, for God's will matters more. 

    Divorce should be unthinkable. You have rhese situations of "annulments?" as well where it is assumed one party can just pair off with another even if the "annulment?" or divorce has not gone through yet. Many people lack self-control and most importantly do not put God first in their life. We are not animals who can just pair off with just any other creature. This ties into the false doctrine of evolution and something related to that I think I learned from Matthew on the forum awhile back.

    There was a recent situation where I had to admonish someone about not trying to have someone meet another party in spite their marital statuses. It was also related to the current challenge coming from Francis' error too. 

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
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  • I must second what AMDGJMJ and Matthew said.

    Single Catholics need to be cautious to not lower the standards of finding a potential spouse because it can mean heaven or hell for their soul and that of the other party.

    My own mistake has been in the past to not been honest with myself and too hasty. I have been better about it, for God's will matters more.

    Divorce should be unthinkable. You have rhese situations of "annulments?" as well where it is assumed one party can just pair off with another even if the "annulment?" or divorce has not gone through yet. Many people lack self-control and most importantly do not put God first in their life. We are not animals who can just pair off with just any other creature. This ties into the false doctrine of evolution and something related to that I think I learned from Matthew on the forum awhile back.

    There was a recent situation where I had to admonish someone about not trying to have someone meet another party in spite their marital statuses. It was also related to the current challenge coming from Francis' error too.
    This was posted Kephapaulos.


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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #11 on: April 26, 2017, 11:45:23 AM »
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  • This advice reminds me of the advice of some priests that no man should ever consider dating unless he is rich enough to own his own house and support a large family without the wife working. Sure it would be better if these conditions are met, but in the real world if this advice was followed, almost nobody would ever get married.

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
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  • This advice reminds me of the advice of some priests that no man should ever consider dating unless he is rich enough to own his own house and support a large family without the wife working. Sure it would be better if these conditions are met, but in the real world if this advice was followed, almost nobody would ever get married.

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
    « Reply #13 on: April 26, 2017, 12:07:49 PM »
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  • I have never been married and probably never will be.

    "Romance" has caused me nothing but misery

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    Re: Marrying in this day in age
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  • What should a Trad Catholic do if he marries in the Church but later, his wife divorces him without fault? In this day in age, How do you assure that Marriage is lifelong when the civil laws allow divorce so easily? 
    Make sure your spouse vows "till death do us part" during the wedding ceremony.

    That oughtta do it! :fryingpan: