Author Topic: Marrying a foreigner (Read 4395 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** December 27, 2015, 06:48:06 PM »

Does anyone have suggestions on how I can marry a foreigner in the US, without the hassle of him going back to his country to change his visa status first.
He currently has a tourist visa and would need to apply for a K1 Visa before he can legally (civic) marry me. It could take weeks under usual circuмstances, not to mention the expense, but in light of the recent ISIS shooting in California, the government (or whomever) will now be scrutinizing all K1 Visa apps, which could turn weeks into months.
We would really like to marry asap. And since marriage is a Sacrament ministered between the two, I can't see why a priest could not help us out. Do they always have to keep to the civic law? Or, is there a country where we could travel to and get married without too much trouble?
I had heard that two can marry in Canada quite easily. Does this include two foreigners traveling to Canada, neither one a citizen there? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Mind you, we are both Resistance and non-sede, so these are not options for us.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2015, 08:42:26 PM »

Since he has a tourist visa, he has been in the country for less than 6 months or he has broken the law and overstayed his visa. In either case, you shouldn't rush off to marry this person. It will most probably prove to be the worse mistake of your life. Seek the advice of a Traditionalist priest, but even a Novus Ordo will not marry you quickly to get it over with if that is all you are looking for. Novus Ordo priests aren't completely stupid. And since you're Catholic, a civil marriage is invalid and a grave mortal sin...an infinite offense to God damning one's unrepetant soul to damnation. You could die in a car accident tomorrow. Would you really risk it?

Depending on the country and the reason, he won't be able to just "go back and change his visa status". It doesn't work like that.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2015, 09:14:32 PM »

I am sorry, but I think you have misunderstood on several levels. Perhaps I did not explain myself well.
I have known him for almost two years. I have no intention of 'hurrying up and running off' to marry him. We both were courting in, yet, another country. I returned to the US and he will be arriving soon. We are an older couple and we just know we want to marry, in God's good time. But, we have the visa problem and we are looking for a way to remedy it. We cannot afford to send him back to his original country at this time, and we are seeking other VALID options.
If by 'civil', you think I am considering a Justice of the Peace marriage, no. That is not what I was saying. For those who knows their catechism, the priest and those marrying are required, by the Church, to fulfill the law of the land regarding marriage, in addition to the laws of the Church. Priests are not allowed, except under grave or exceptional cases, to ignore the civil law, such as, certain age requirements set forth by your particular state, or health requirements of yet another state. And in our case, it is not legal in the US to marry on a tourist visa. But it is not illegal to marry outside the US and then return to the US as a married couple. That is legal.
And, by the way, a tourist visa is good for ten years, not six months. One only has to leave and then come back again to continue in the US. He has been here for many years.
I was not asking for marriage advice. I am quite old enough and wise enough to make up my own mind, with prayer, if this man is worthy to wed.
I was asking for advice on how to remedy the visa problem. Thank you for your concerns, but they are all invalid for me. I am far from an immature eighteen year old. Please stick with the question asked in the future. Thank you.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2015, 09:47:44 PM »

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I am sorry, but I think you have misunderstood on several levels. Perhaps I did not explain myself well.
I have known him for almost two years. I have no intention of 'hurrying up and running off' to marry him. We both were courting in, yet, another country. I returned to the US and he will be arriving soon. We are an older couple and we just know we want to marry, in God's good time. But, we have the visa problem and we are looking for a way to remedy it. We cannot afford to send him back to his original country at this time, and we are seeking other VALID options.
If by 'civil', you think I am considering a Justice of the Peace marriage, no. That is not what I was saying. For those who knows their catechism, the priest and those marrying are required, by the Church, to fulfill the law of the land regarding marriage, in addition to the laws of the Church. Priests are not allowed, except under grave or exceptional cases, to ignore the civil law, such as, certain age requirements set forth by your particular state, or health requirements of yet another state. And in our case, it is not legal in the US to marry on a tourist visa. But it is not illegal to marry outside the US and then return to the US as a married couple. That is legal.
And, by the way, a tourist visa is good for ten years, not six months. One only has to leave and then come back again to continue in the US. He has been here for many years.
I was not asking for marriage advice. I am quite old enough and wise enough to make up my own mind, with prayer, if this man is worthy to wed.
I was asking for advice on how to remedy the visa problem. Thank you for your concerns, but they are all invalid for me. I am far from an immature eighteen year old. Please stick with the question asked in the future. Thank you.

You seem to have some misconceptions about visa issues. A tourist visa is valid for ten years, yes, just like most international passports. But you are only permitted 6 months of every year to remain in the country. You may be older and wiser, but you are a bit confused about this process.

By the way, I have international residency and have lived in a handful of countries. I am a U.S. citizen married to a foreigner.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2015, 10:35:01 PM »

You say you are both resistance and an OLDER COUPLE.
Depending on how much older you are even the SSPX will not marry a couple past child bearing age.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2015, 11:20:01 PM »

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I am sorry, but I think you have misunderstood on several levels.
And, by the way, a tourist visa is good for ten years, not six months. One only has to leave and then come back again to continue in the US. He has been here for many years.
I was not asking for marriage advice. I am quite old enough and wise enough to make up my own mind, with prayer, if this man is worthy to wed.
I was asking for advice on how to remedy the visa problem. Thank you for your concerns, but they are all invalid for me. I am far from an immature eighteen year old. Please stick with the question asked in the future. Thank you.

You seem to have some misconceptions about visa issues. A tourist visa is valid for ten years, yes, just like most international passports. But you are only permitted 6 months of every year to remain in the country. You may be older and wiser, but you are a bit confused about this process.

By the way, I have international residency and have lived in a handful of countries. I am a U.S. citizen married to a foreigner.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2015, 11:38:53 PM »

I am not trying to write a thesis on the Visa process. I stated it is good for ten years, and that one only has to leave the country and then return. My lack of details does not mean a lack of knowledge of visas. It means I don't care to hash out details that are unrelated to my original question. For the record, I know, full well, that after each six month period, the visa holder must leave the country temporarily.
You say you are a US citizen married to a foreigner, yet, you didn't bother to answer the question. You just joined the band wagon of sidestepping the question. Thank you for your help.
As for the newest rash assumption, that I could be too old to marry, I never made any indication of my actual age. For the record, I am not too old to have children, but that is sidestepping the question as well. Besides, Canon Law does not forbid marriages to the infertile. What SSPX chooses to do is beside the point.
I am not interested in rash jdgements or marital advice! If you cannot answer the question I asked, please refrain from responding. I don't care to know what you think about my choice. You know nothing about me and I'd like to keep it that way.
There is an SSPX priest who has given his blessing on our choice and would marry us, but we cannot afford to make that trip to another country. If I cannot find a valid and less expensive option, we will go to that priest.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2015, 03:41:48 AM »

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Depending on how much older you are even the SSPX will not marry a couple past child bearing age.

B S

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2015, 04:51:26 AM »

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Depending on how much older you are even the SSPX will not marry a couple past child bearing age.

B S

Yes, this is not so.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** December 28, 2015, 08:14:47 AM »

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I am sorry, but I think you have misunderstood on several levels. Perhaps I did not explain myself well.
I have known him for almost two years. I have no intention of 'hurrying up and running off' to marry him. We both were courting in, yet, another country. I returned to the US and he will be arriving soon. We are an older couple and we just know we want to marry, in God's good time. But, we have the visa problem and we are looking for a way to remedy it. We cannot afford to send him back to his original country at this time, and we are seeking other VALID options.
If by 'civil', you think I am considering a Justice of the Peace marriage, no. That is not what I was saying. For those who knows their catechism, the priest and those marrying are required, by the Church, to fulfill the law of the land regarding marriage, in addition to the laws of the Church. Priests are not allowed, except under grave or exceptional cases, to ignore the civil law, such as, certain age requirements set forth by your particular state, or health requirements of yet another state. And in our case, it is not legal in the US to marry on a tourist visa. But it is not illegal to marry outside the US and then return to the US as a married couple. That is legal.
And, by the way, a tourist visa is good for ten years, not six months. One only has to leave and then come back again to continue in the US. He has been here for many years.
I was not asking for marriage advice. I am quite old enough and wise enough to make up my own mind, with prayer, if this man is worthy to wed.
I was asking for advice on how to remedy the visa problem. Thank you for your concerns, but they are all invalid for me. I am far from an immature eighteen year old. Please stick with the question asked in the future. Thank you.

You seem to have some misconceptions about visa issues. A tourist visa is valid for ten years, yes, just like most international passports. But you are only permitted 6 months of every year to remain in the country. You may be older and wiser, but you are a bit confused about this process.

By the way, I have international residency and have lived in a handful of countries. I am a U.S. citizen married to a foreigner.

Your aversion to accepting valid advice from someone who has a bit of experience with visas and immigration while touting off about how old and wise you are seems to indicate a lack of mental maturity. I offered some information that everyone should be aware of and was railed on and told not to respond. You shouldn't come here asking questions if you are not willing to accept answers.

Again, I have experience with visas and immigration and if what you state is true: "And, by the way, a tourist visa is good for ten years, not six months. One only has to leave and then come back again to continue in the US. He has been here for many years."...

Then this means the person has illegally overstayed his visa. Anybody who has visited the U.S. on a tourist visa knows exactly how this works. You might've heard about Americans living abroad in Panama who just leave Panama every six months and come back a week later. Don't be fooled. A U.S. tourist visa doesn't work like that. It doesn't give you unlimited amount of time in the U.S. for as long as the tourist visa is valid just because the person leaves every six months and comes back a week later. If this is what this person has told you that he is doing to remain in the U.S. then you are being lied to (despite be so very old and wise).

The U.S. immigration services are very clear. 6 months of every calendar year. 6 months in the country and 6 months out before this person with a tourist visa can re-enter. If he is there for years, as you claim, on a tourist visa, then his status has moved to illegal resident due to overstaying his visa. If he tells you different then he is lying. Leaving after 6 months in the U.S. on a tourist visa, he will be told to wait before re-entering and will not be given re-entry into the country.

Getting upset with my answers and telling me not to respond while affirming that you are not an immature 18 year old doesn't seem convincing.

Another good question would be...if he is there for years on a tourist visa, what does he do for income? You can't work or own a business on a tourist visa. That only leaves so many possibilities: he is a millionaire, he works illegally, he finds women to con and live off of, he has relatives who support him...etc

I would continue to counsel you to not seek marriage with this person without being more informed. Maybe he has decieved you. Don't deny the possibility of that just because you are so very wise. Have you seen his passport? When was his last stamp of U.S. entry? If more than six months ago then he is illegally in the U.S. Have you spoke to any family members who can vouch for him as being an upright person? You stated something about the California mohamedan shooting as if this would cause complications for him and immigration. Does he come from a mohamedan country? The middle east? India? Is he even Catholic? It would seem that if you were attending Mass or had contact with priests, you would have asked a priest and not posted in this forum to only later get abrasive when receiving honest answers from people with experience in the matter.

(This is my third post to you now.)

TKGS · « **Reply #10 on:** December 28, 2015, 08:33:28 AM »

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Depending on how much older you are even the SSPX will not marry a couple past child bearing age.

B S

Yes, this is not so.

There is no such thing as "past child bearing age". There is a such thing as past the age that a woman can normally bear children, but this is not an impediment.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** December 28, 2015, 11:20:23 AM »

For the third time, I am not seeking marital advice from you. You can stop offering it, because I am not listening. You say I am mentally immature because I cannot accept your advice? Perhaps I am so mature that I can recognize fallacious arguments, straw man and now ad hominem attacks. And I refuse to give in to them. That, in your assessment, makes me too immature to marry.
If this is your third post, please, spare me and make it your last. Have a good day and Merry Christmas. And go take Critical Thinking 101 at some nearby college. You might learn something.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 28, 2015, 01:57:21 PM »

What country is the groom from? That might make a difference.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** December 28, 2015, 02:24:14 PM »

England

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** December 28, 2015, 04:50:10 PM »

My niece from the US recently married someone from France. IMHO, it would be best if one, if not both, of you had a lot of money.

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