I'm confused. If you don't live in Ohio (and attend a SSPX mass), what made you contact this priest?
Correct, I'm not in Ohio. He's the priest responsible for the mission chapel that's driving distance from me. I came across the chapel in the Traditio directory* and called the number. He answered. That was a few months ago and since then, I've waffled many many times in my head between SSPX, Resistance, Sedevantism, Home Alone, and all the warring factions in them. I'm now at the stage where I'm exhausted from it all and don't want to think too much about it anymore. The SSPX mass is fine for now, despite my distrust of the society. It's the most convenient.
As for the SSPX priest, I had talked with him about my wife and the sacraments before but I have such a hard time getting advice from him. He's a laid back personality and his response is usually along the lines of "you can if you want". It's the reason I didn't want to speak with him on the recent situation with my wife. And why I thought of the sedevacantist priest who had given a lot of instruction that first time I spoke with him.
* http://www-traditio-com/tradlib/masslat.pdf (replace - with .)
Yes, as far as I know SGG do tend to be dogmatic SV, so they will try to strongly persuade you along those lines, though of course they can't force you to do other things. If that becomes a problem for you, Father Jenkins' group in Cincy are more moderate in that regard.
That's the impression I got when I first talked to the priest. He can't force me, yes, but the pressure would weigh on me. I will look into Father Jenkins, this is the first I've heard of his name. Although, I do recognize his face.
If it's not going too far I would also begin to explain to her how embracing the Catholic faith would benefit her in a material sense. Where appropriate I would even reward any move she makes towards this goal. I'm not suggesting bribery by the way. But as Ladislaus said prudence is key in the situation.
By "material sense", do you mean grace? Or that I would be more kind to her? Rewarding sounds like a great idea.
Be careful with the Lovasik books. Some of the newer printings, which have the same covers, have been updated. For example, they call Our Lady's apparition to St. Dominic a "legend" in the Rosary book. Another line from a page on the Annunciation "But Mary was confused by the angel's greeting and even more by this request. She had never slept with a man; she was a virgin."
Also, the OP seems to have absorbed the modern notion of love and not the Catholic understanding. The simplest answer to his question is to love this woman as Christ loved the Church. Women are wired to desire such love and my hunch is she will respond.
Thanks for that warning. I'm a bit aware of the deceit that goes on in newer editions of traditional books. But to use the same covers is frustrating. I worry my wife would read such things and absorb it. Those example are shocking.
Whatever state "society" is in does not absolve the individual of his obligation. Society has been in rebellion since the beginning of time. The fact remains that if, after counsel from wise priests and prayer and discernment, the OP marries this woman, he MUST love her. Love is not something one falls into, it is an act of the will. It is clear from his original post that he does not yet have the proper understanding. Furthermore, it is best for him to try this approach now if he is to have any hope of her conversion and making this work for the sake of his son. Perhaps she will not respond, but it is his only shot at a Catholic marriage with her. And he ought to know that it won't be an easy thing to find a good trad woman to marry him when he already has a record, so to speak.
I believe this is the same poster who said to "to love this woman as Christ loved the Church". That's a very vague notion to me. I don't quite understand it to be honest. I will think about this more, thank you.
And yes, I'm aware of the realities of the alternative.
SSPX vs Sedevecantist - please don't get overly concerned with the Trad flavor, at this point. A valid, Traditional priest is the most important.
You're right. I've found it to be terribly confusing and demoralizing. I have a handful of Resistance and Sedevantists priests I like to listen to but when argumentation on who is right comes up, I skip it.
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