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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2015, 03:02:22 PM »
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  • OP here.

    Father Chad Ripperger sermon on "Problem with Self" -




    This is my problem. I haven't wanted to obey H because he doesn't do things the way I think he should.  He focuses on outward things.  He's worldly.  He doesn't take command of situations.  

    But I since I know that God has me where He intends for me to be, I've had to look further and now I'm realizing that it would have been "easier" for me to follow a H that was strong and decisive and commanding, because the repercussions of not following would be apparent to all.  My H on the other hand, leaves a lot up to me.  He doesn't insist.  He doesn't require.  His way of being forces me to realize that I have to swallow a lot of pride about how things "should" be done and do them the way he wants to.

    For example: I 'have' to have time in the morning to read and pray and exercise.  If I don't do this, well there are multiple things that "go wrong" with me if I can't get this accomplished.  But H stays in bed several hours past the time that I do and if he had his druthers, I'd stay in bed that late as well.

    I know from experience that my H is one of those "if you give an inch, they'll take a mile" types.  So I am in a constant state of vigilance to prevent him from requesting more of me than I am willing to give.  

    I know the "answer" is to just do what I know he wants.  But it's a huge conflict with me, and I guess Fr. Ripperger would say it's my selfishness that's keeping me from "obeying" my H in this and other areas.

    I guess my big fear is that if I started to obey H in all areas, our lives would be chaotic and in shambles, if I wasn't keeping everything in order. Maybe H would quit his job and sit around all day picking his guitar and taking naps and hanging out with his friends while the bills went unpaid!

    I mean, it's that kind of underlying fear that I think drives all this.  And I know this is just my side of things.  But I've known my H for 3 decades and I know the things he thinks and values and I know that he's one of those types that would just love to invent something that would make him a millionaire so he'd never have to work again .. or to win the lottery ...

    and that scares me.

    So this is just an update ... the verdict: it's me, not him.  It's pride and selfishness and fear all rolled up in one.  

    Thanks again for your replies.




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    « Reply #16 on: July 30, 2015, 04:39:56 PM »
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  • You're very endearing in your sincere desire to do God's will OP.

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    I guess my big fear is that if I started to obey H in all areas, our lives would be chaotic and in shambles, if I wasn't keeping everything in order.


    But isn't order of God and chaos of the devil?  Where's the line when a wife keeps the home in order and it conflicts with obedience to her husband?  I was taught this is of the utmost importance so that husband and children have an overall peaceful, clean, well run environment even if one of them personally struggles with self discipline.  The home is sacrosanct isn't it?  Wouldn't her duty be to helping her H best by keeping the home peaceful and orderly?  If the H is modernist minded and she follows him into his lazy tendencies it just doesn't make good Catholic sense. My aunt was a model traditional Catholic woman married to a man like that. She was very kind & very disciplined.  I learned a lot from her.  She never treated my rather lazy pie in the sky dreaming uncle with disrespect, but her home was like a well oiled machine and it was a very happy place to visit. He was happy to let her carry the water, and was content from what I learned as an adult.  Also my cousins thrived and are still good Catholics.  Maybe that example is just anecdotal but the consequences of surrendering other important duties to indulge a person with little discipline just isn't logical.


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    « Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 06:07:10 PM »
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  • One thing that really resounded with me, is something (ironically) that my husband told me before we got married, after a meeting with our priest. He said something along the lines of this, "I know that I won't be perfect, that I will mess up and I will make many wrong decisions, and I realize that it will be difficult for you to follow and obey me at times. But it times like those, please remember that ultimately, it's God that you must place your trust in, not me. God made an order in the family- in times that I am being bad or unreasonable, think of yourself as especially obeying God and hopefully that will make it easier for you."

    Basically what he was saying is that, for me to obey him even when he's wrong or unreasonable, while not ideal, is still better than stepping outside of the natural order and rebelling against him. He didn't say this to be mean or domineering, but in humility, as he knew that there were going to be times that he was wrong, and he wanted to have the bases covered for those times. I agree with him that the lesser of the two evils is to deal with him in obedience and humility all the time, as long as it doesn't jeopardize anyone's soul. To rebel against him, or to argue, be snappy, or to nag incessantly would produce a far more bleak outcome. It's the big picture.

    I think that this advice would be much more difficult for you than for me, as my husband (praise be to God) is a strong, devout Catholic who tries his best to do God's will every day. I am SO incredibly thankful for him!

    In like manner, I as a wife will mess up and do things that I'm not suppose to, and in times that I am difficult or unreasonable, he is better off to do as Sacred Scripture tells us, and that is to be patient, kind and loving with me. For this will win me over quickly, and produce the outcome he wishes.  
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #18 on: July 30, 2015, 10:39:10 PM »
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  • A few of the posts here are confusing me.
    Aren't we using two different meanings when referring to "following"?

    There's being obedient -- doing as asked and not doing that which we've been asked not to do.

    Then there's trying to be some sort of mirror. Something like, "he's a real slob and seems to not be bothered by it, so I should be a slob too."

    The second sounds crazy to me, but seems to be what the OP is suggesting??
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #19 on: July 30, 2015, 11:40:51 PM »
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    The second sounds crazy to me, but seems to be what the OP is suggesting??


    This is what I inferred.  One example, she mentioned a few times that he likes to stay in bed late but she must attend to duties and rises earlier.  He would prefer she laze about with him.  The OP to her credit is aware that she is the one who brings order to the home and he is chaotic.

    A wife provides an orderly home sometimes with the challenge of a disorderly husband but to participate in his lack of discipline in the name of obedience just seems totally illogical.  At this point it may be better to speak to a good priest about this, hopefully one who knows them both.


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    « Reply #20 on: August 01, 2015, 09:13:42 PM »
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  • I'm sorry!  OP here.  I've apparently made a mess of things here trying to describe my selfish anxieties.

    I keep a nice, clean house.  My H is less tidy than I am but we work together well and I just straighten and neaten up around him.  He's very good in that he doesn't leave towels or clothes on the floor and ultimately he does very well in that area.

    He's not really lazy.  I get up before 5am and he gets up between 7:30 and 8:00 depending on whether he's home working or going on a trip.  He travels for work 3-4 days each week.  I can't blame him for not getting up earlier than that.  And it doesn't bother me.  It's just that I'm out of bed several hours before he is and I know that he'd prefer I not be so rigid about it all the time.  


    The fact is, I have not been a good, supportive helpful wife to my H.  I have fought him tooth and nail over everything over the years.  I have a habit of being contrary and disagreeable.  I have a habit of correcting and criticizing.  So when it came to raising the children, you can imagine the conflicts arising from that foundation.

    What Jayne said earlier is true.  I shouldn't have started this thread. It was supposed to be, "How does a wife follow the type of 'leadership' of a sanguine husband..."  

    Just asking the question has caused me to really think about it and allowed me to be more honest with myself.  I wasn't beeing truthful and that's why my posts weren't making sense.  

    If I was doing my part, he'd be doing a lot better and we'd be working together as a team.

    I'm sorry for the confusion.  I will withdraw now.