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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2015, 06:04:01 PM »
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It could happen. If it does ever come back, I don't see it happening Roman rite-wide. Maybe certain countries who have a shortage of priests consider it.

It would also be the only way a married Pope would ever exist, as cardinals (at least in these current times; there have been cardinal-priests and cardinal-deacons, even) are derived from the episcopacy and in the East, they come from the monastic orders and are celibate.


There is absolutely no tradition in the Church, East or West, of a married episcopacy after Apostolic times.  A married pope would be an abomination.

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Obviously the Op had a REASON for privacy.


It is not obvious in any way.  Nor is asking the question is not invading the privacy of the OP as the OP obviously has the option to not answering.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2016, 10:09:04 AM »
During normal times in the Latin Rite Priests should be celibate for any number of reasons.  To devote themselves 100% to a large parish.  To devote themselves 100% to God.  IMO, Marriage with children and the Priesthood both deserve 100% of one's attention.   Pius XII allowed married Anglican clergy converts to become valid Priests in the Catholic Church but that was by exception.  If and when the Church gets restored to normality the married priests should be phased out, i.e. not continued or added to but the Church should retain the discipline in effect for the 1000 years up until the death of Pius XII.  An ordained person should not get married after being ordained regardless of the times as should be obvious from the long established discipline.  Married Priests must submit to what the next valid Pope declares in their cases or die outside the Church. The next valid Pope would not allow future ordinations of married men in the Latin Rite.

When we have a valid Pope, Priests who prove to be unworthy would be able to be ferreted out as the Faithful would be able to report any of their errors and or tyrannical acts to one who can hold them accountable.  Those "ordained" in the new rite would need to be looked at in regards to whether they have a legitimate vocation or not but would have to cease pretending to be Priests until (if or when) they are validly ordained for obvious reasons.  

The next valid Pope's first issue, IMO, would be the problems that resulted from and since V2 and "putting the Church back" in a secure and Catholic place in regards to the liturgy and Sacraments, and in regards to clarifying the novelties, errors and heresies of V2, declaring the council to be invalid of course.  He would clarify the Feeneyism issue.  He would clearly teach on all the controversies of the day and show anyone who did not like the teaching where the door is.  The Church needs to be purged of the modernists.  Then look to the valid Priests who claim to be Catholic and loyal to the Holy See and the needs of the faithful in regards to having access to the Sacraments.  Obviously any validly ordained Priest who is a public heretic or not loyal to the Papacy would be declared to be non-Catholic and or schismatic.  This is when he would either allow the Catholic married Priests to continue their apostolate as is, reduce it to being very private or forbid the Priests to fulfill their orders at all apart from extreme necessity.  This after verifying the validity of their orders and getting those who need to be conditionally ordained ordained if in fact it is deemed that they should continue in their orders.  



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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 10:54:15 AM »
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During normal times in the Latin Rite


never has there been normal times in the church since men have been sinners

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 11:01:15 AM »
Anyone who muses about the Church opening up the priesthood to married men has not spent time at a Seminary or read many books about the priesthood and what it's about.

That is to say, they haven't learned about (much less meditated upon) the grave responsibility and dignity of the priesthood.


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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 11:15:38 AM »
This is very true and Eastern Rite Priests should reflect on this as the married Anglican clergy who were allowed to be Priests under Pius XII.  Pius XII himself should have reflected on it as the Church herself for the first 1000 years of her existence.  At least we know now.  

Saint Hilary pray that we get a Pope soon so the dogmatic opinions will end and so we can focus on saving souls instead of all the problems that come with having no Pope for so long.