Author Topic: Marriage debt (Read 8203 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #45 on:** September 09, 2018, 05:00:52 PM »

It is for the husband to decide whether or not he believes that his family should be limited (for serious reasons like poverty etc) and he is perfectly entitled to abstain if he believes this to be the case.

If his wife wishes for sɛҳuąƖ intercourse because she desires more children that is perfectly morally acceptable, but she must accept her husband's wishes as head of the family and provider.

For a woman to wish her husband to 'honour the debt' purely and simply because she has a 'high sex drive' is in my view (as a woman) wholly unacceptable and demonstrates an un-natural, un-feminine and un-chaste mindset, rooted in sin and lust.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #46 on:** September 09, 2018, 05:01:14 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 04:45:34 PM

I never said I used NFP. You are rash in your assumptions about someone you have no knowledge about.
I obey the Pope by believing him, and if I and my spouse ever use the method approved by Pope Pius XII, not NFP, then that is our right to do so with a clear conscience.
I don’t learn my Faith by listening to the Dimonds, I learn from the Pope and believe him.

That's the funny thing about consciences; people tend to "form" them in a way that appeals to their own pre-determined desires.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #47 on:** September 09, 2018, 05:02:38 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 05:00:52 PM

It is for the husband to decide whether or not he believes that his family should be limited (for serious reasons like poverty etc) and he is perfectly entitled to abstain if he believes this to be the case.

Abstain yes (and even that only under strict conditions). NFP is not abstaining. Sorry, but the wife has every bit as much much a right to have the marriage debt satisfied as you do.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #48 on:** September 09, 2018, 05:04:12 PM »

Abstain - yes - NFP is birth control and is sinful.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #49 on:** September 09, 2018, 06:24:26 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 12:29:18 PM

This is often because husbands lose their ability to perform, are embarrassed, and do not want to use viagra, etc.

Could this decreased sex drive be due to our poor diet of processed foods? What has changed in the last 100 years?

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #50 on:** September 09, 2018, 07:03:46 PM »

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For a woman to wish her husband to 'honour the debt' purely and simply because she has a 'high sex drive' is in my view (as a woman) wholly unacceptable and demonstrates an un-natural, un-feminine and un-chaste mindset, rooted in sin and lust.

You added the phrase "purely and simply" which takes the argument to the extreme. No one's actions are "purely and simply" for only 1 reason; human actions can have a variety of motivations. Human love often has many motivations all mixed together.

The idea that a woman can't have a high libido not only misunderstands human nature but also implies that God made a mistake. Your views are pretty puritanical.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #51 on:** September 09, 2018, 07:34:36 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 07:03:46 PM

You added the phrase "purely and simply" which takes the argument to the extreme. No one's actions are "purely and simply" for only 1 reason; human actions can have a variety of motivations. Human love often has many motivations all mixed together.

The idea that a woman can't have a high libido not only misunderstands human nature but also implies that God made a mistake. Your views are pretty puritanical.

Precisely. Methinks that it's this poster who has an un-chaste mindset; most women think about sɛҳuąƖ relations as much more than the satisfaction of lust. If you think sɛҳuąƖ intercourse is just about "sin and lust", it's you who have the problem. So, yeah, this guy is a Puritan ... not unlike that guy Matthew banned some time ago for similar thinking.

Matto · « **Reply #52 on:** September 09, 2018, 08:17:02 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 03:54:52 PM

Fixed it for you.

Fat doesn't necessarily make you fat. It makes you feel full, so you stop eating. Carbs and sugars make you crash and eat even more. Plus they put your body into an emergency mode to deal with blood sugar by converting it into fat.

People need to skip the high fructose corn syrup-laden beverages, the bun and the french fries -- not the burger, the bacon, or the real cheese made with whole milk.

The proof is when people switch to low-carb diets they tend to lose weight, and they don't crash anymore and have more steady energy all day long. Of course, eventually you plateau because protein, carbs, and fat can all be converted to energy (and hence, fat). Calories are also an issue.

In the end, you have to take in less calories than you burn or you're going to gain weight. But regulating blood sugar (by avoiding foods with a high glycemic index) and avoiding blood glucose spikes certainly doesn't hurt.

Matthew

Oh no! Atkins/ketogenic talking points spoken as dogma from another trad. I am saddened once again. If only more of us were on my side and ate lots of rice and bread and less meat and dairy and eggs. I only knew of me and PG and Croix but both of them were banned. I hope when they put us in the FEMA camps they only give us rice and bread and gruel. But with Trump winning they haven't been talking as much about the FEMA camps.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #53 on:** September 09, 2018, 10:26:56 PM »

Quote from: Matto on September 09, 2018, 08:17:02 PM

Oh no! Atkins/ketogenic talking points spoken as dogma from another trad. I am saddened once again. If only more of us were on my side and ate lots of rice and bread and less meat and dairy and eggs. I only knew of me and PG and Croix but both of them were banned. I hope when they put us in the FEMA camps they only give us rice and bread and gruel. But with Trump winning they haven't been talking as much about the FEMA camps.

When my husband and I ate lots of rice and bread and less meat, dairy, and eggs, we gained a lot of weight. Now that we are more or less following a ketogenic diet, we have lost weight and our blood work for cholesterol and triglyceride is fantastic. Our doctor could not be happier.
If we were ever placed in a FEMA camp, we would refuse to eat their processed junk foods. In other words, we would go on a hunger strike.

Geremia · « **Reply #54 on:** September 09, 2018, 10:27:50 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 03:56:43 PM

It's a fundamental flaw in the person as well, more like a birth defect.

Sodomites are not "born that way".

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #55 on:** September 09, 2018, 10:33:50 PM »

Quote from: Geremia on September 09, 2018, 10:27:50 PM

Sodomites are not "born that way".

No, they are not born that way, but heavy metal contamination such as lead and mercury can change people.
The lead used in plumbing contributed to the rise in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in Rome.
The mercury used in the increased yearly vaccination rates imposed on children is causing a lot of health problems and most likely increases the risk of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and autism.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #56 on:** September 10, 2018, 01:06:15 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 09, 2018, 05:01:14 PM

That's the funny thing about consciences; people tend to "form" them in a way that appeals to their own pre-determined desires.

Yes, you are an example of this. Rash judgment is a sin.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #57 on:** September 10, 2018, 01:07:04 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 05:04:12 PM

Abstain - yes - NFP is birth control and is sinful.

Pope Pius XII says otherwise.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #58 on:** September 10, 2018, 01:08:11 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 09, 2018, 04:59:59 PM

Then you need to read primarily the authoritative teaching of Pius XI on the subject, in an Encyclical letter issued to the entire Church, and not rely on the opining of Pius XII as a private doctor to a group of midwives. This has nothing to do with the Dimonds; they simply lay out the evidence. Pius XII did and said a lot of things that did much damage and led right into Vatican II.

You sound like a Dimond. I’ll stick with the Pope.

Nadir · « **Reply #59 on:** September 10, 2018, 02:18:33 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 09, 2018, 10:33:50 PM

No, they are not born that way, but heavy metal contamination such as lead and mercury can change people.
The lead used in plumbing contributed to the rise in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in Rome.
The mercury used in the increased yearly vaccination rates imposed on children is causing a lot of health problems and most likely increases the risk of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and autism.

Heavy metal contamination can not change people into homosevuals and neither can vaccination.

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