Pope John Paul II was never informed about the personal scandals surrounding the late Father Marcial Maciel, according to the postulator for the late Pontiff’s cause for canonization.

For years, calls for an investigation of Father Maciel were thwarted by Vatican officials, including some close to Pope John Paul II, such as Cardinal Angelo Sodano (his Secretary of State) and Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, his personal secretary. But the Pontiff himself was not aware of the complaints lodged against the founder of the Legion of Christ, says Msgr. Slawomir Oder.

“There is no sign of personal involvement of the Holy Father in this case,” said that postulator. Questions about the Pope’s knowledge of the case were thoroughly investigated and fully resolved as part of the research leading to his canonization, he said.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21179

According to Poche we are to believe that letters complaining about an abusive leader with scores of victims never made it though to JP2 and that he was so busy travelling that he did not have time to investigate.

But Pope Francis is getting personal mail from all and sundry and cold calling them for a chat and a bit of pastoral guidance.

Cardinal Óscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga, the Honduran cardinal who is coordinator of Pope Francis’s Council of Cardinals, said in a recent talk that the Pope’s popularity is beginning “to awaken deaf opposition not only in the old Curia, but in some who are sorry to lose privileges in treatment and in comforts.”

A copy of the talk, delivered in Florida on April 8 to a conference of Franciscan provincials, was provided to the National Catholic Reporter by the conference’s secretary. According to the newspaper, the cardinal wore a Franciscan habit during his talk, even though he is a Salesian.

“Expressions like ‘what can it be that this little Argentine pretends?’ or the expression of a well-known cardinal who let slip the phrase, ‘We made a mistake,’ can be heard,” said Cardinal Rodríguez.

“There is a new concept of Church here,” he added. The prelate said that the Pope “feels called to construct a Church” that is “at the service of this world by being faithful to Christ and his Gospel,” “free from all mundane spirituality,” “free from the risk of being concerned about itself, of becoming middle class, of closing in on self, of being a clerical Church.”

The Pope, according to Cardinal Rodríguez, wants a Church that is able to “offer itself as an open space in which all of us can meet and recognize each other because there is space for dialogue, diversity and welcome in it,” as well as a Church that “gives importance to women in both society and its own institutions.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21195

When you have a large bureaucracy, they have ways of getting around what they don't want to do.

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According to Poche we are to believe that letters complaining about an abusive leader with scores of victims never made it though to JP2 and that he was so busy travelling that he did not have time to investigate.

But Pope Francis is getting personal mail from all and sundry and cold calling them for a chat and a bit of pastoral guidance.

A lot of the correspondence that goes to the Vatican gets filtered through secretaries. So, a person who could have been co-opted by Fr Maciel (gifts, money, etc..) could very well have intercepted such correspondence and then it would never have been seen by Pope John Paul II. I have read that there were a number of individuals in the Vatican who had been co-opted.  

Don't be silly.  One person does not open all the mail that come to the Vatican.  They probably have several tons of it everyday.

Eventually that "co-opted" person is sick or takes a 2 week vacation, or the Pope has a private audience with a bishop or priest or politician who was cc'd on the first two letters and he asks why no response about the Maciel case.  I am absolutely sure that after 2000 years of scheming there are very few bureaucratic loopholes that a Pope cannot navigate around if he wishes.

It's naive to suggest or beleive JP2 did not know.  The buck stops at the top.

These people know.  They just don't care to do anything about it.  They don't wish to rock the boat.  They are company men.

When they are caught they apologise and "mea-culpa", but the TRUTH IS they have known for years. Most probably hoped they would be dead or gone before it was ever exposed.

That is why they had hush orders, gag causes in hundred thousand dollar pay-offs and why they persecuted people like Stephen Brady, because back in the day the perceived greater crime than sodomising children was exposing the scandal of it and making the Church "look bad".

They don't know what is going on. They are living saints. Bergoglio should be canonized now so he can show the world how much more humble he can be after he is made a saint.

It's naive to suggest or beleive JP2 did not know.  The buck stops at the top.

These people know.  They just don't care to do anything about it.

When the head of a hierarchy is intentionally kept in the dark about the specifics of something that he must ultimately judge, it is because he has placed men in the positions for the express purpose of keeping him in the dark about those specifics.

In American politics there is even a term for this:  plausible deniability.

Wojtyla may very well not have known about the specifics in the case at hand, but that is because he did not want to know.  But wasn't the man eventually removed from his post?  I don't know much about the case other than a few snippets here and there that appear on the internet.

Why was this topic started?  Is he in the news again?

Pope John Paul II was never informed about the personal scandals surrounding the late Father Marcial Maciel, according to the postulator for the late Pontiff’s cause for canonization.

For years, calls for an investigation of Father Maciel were thwarted by Vatican officials, including some close to Pope John Paul II, such as Cardinal Angelo Sodano (his Secretary of State) and Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, his personal secretary. But the Pontiff himself was not aware of the complaints lodged against the founder of the Legion of Christ, says Msgr. Slawomir Oder.

“There is no sign of personal involvement of the Holy Father in this case,” said that postulator. Questions about the Pope’s knowledge of the case were thoroughly investigated and fully resolved as part of the research leading to his canonization, he said.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21179

CYA CYA CYA CYA CYA we are talking about children being abused here and the issue a statement like that! Sorry folks but a real leader would say they will investigate, fully cooperate with civil authorities, and say they will see justice.

Why was this topic started?  Is he in the news again?

I just want to know if Maciel was a marrano. He somewhat looked like a marrano. The reason I ask is because Jєωs are involved in so many perversions, deceit, corruptions, and attacks against the Church through infiltration followed by scandal. However, whether he was a marrano or not still does not increase or lessen the evil he committed against so many innocent youth. Such crimes against the innocent is a de facto intrinsic evil regardless of who commits it - Jєω or Gentile.