Author Topic: Man at my church (Read 1693 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** March 31, 2018, 06:30:30 PM »

I was talking with a man who works at my church, he implied it's now too late for sinners to return to God. I was a little surprised by this, he did not want to elaborate. I'm not sure what he's referring to, i'm still praying the rosary for the intention of sinners.

Is it too late for some people?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2018, 06:40:51 PM »

No. It is never too late to turn to Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins. Jesus says "Go and sin no more".
That is what Easter is about. Everyone needs to read their bibles too. We are to live the faith in all we do 6 days a week. If people turn away from God and continue to live in mortal sin like pagans, then they will burn in Hell.

You must go back and talk to the man.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2018, 09:20:39 PM »

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2018, 12:20:08 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on March 31, 2018, 06:30:30 PM

I was talking with a man who works at my church, he implied it's now too late for sinners to return to God. I was a little surprised by this, he did not want to elaborate. I'm not sure what he's referring to, i'm still praying the rosary for the intention of sinners.

Is it too late for some people?

Not until their last breath.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2018, 01:37:42 PM »

There is the most interesting story of the deathbed conversion of the notorious Jєωιѕн mobster Dutch Schultz (you can read the whole article at http://www.killthedutchman.net/chapter_IX.htm Here's a snippet:

The controversy surrounding Dutch Schultz hardly ended with his burial, of course. The funeral was barely over when the great debate began: what right did that man have to be laid to rest with the rites of the Catholic Church? John A. Toomey, S.J., took up the problem in the Catholic weekly, America, noting at the outset that there were thousands of people saying that "if a guy like that can go to heaven there won't be anybody in hell.", But the article went on:

To these thousands, glaring contradictions appeared to be involved. Here was the Catholic Church, which always had impressed on her children a horror of even the slightest sin; which had ceaselessly warned them concerning the danger of presuming on the chances of a death-bed conversion, which had ever inculcated high ideals in asceticism, in selflessness, in heroic virtue; here was the Catholic Church beckoning into her fold a man who through his entire life had represented everything which the Church abhorred and condemned

"Dutch Schultz" with the angels! "Dutch Schultz" whose beer-trucks once rumbled over the Bronx, whose gorillas blustered through the sidewalks! "Dutch Schultz" associating with the holy saints in Heaven!

He to get the same reward as valiant souls who have clung to the Faith through a ceaseless hurricane of trial and temptation. It seemed more than unjust. It seemed ridiculous, preposterous, almost laughable.

But it may not be so laughable after all. There were a number of things not taken into account by the ... judges. One little thing they missed completely was the fact that there is just One in the entire universe Who is capable of accurately judging the complex skein of a man's life. The influence of bad example, of environment in general: of heredity; the lack of religious training; the exact strength of temptations. ... That One is God Almighty. No one else can even begin to do the job.

Another element that appeared to be fumbled was the interesting truth that the time of mercy for sinners does not expire until the moment of death; that there is no crime and no series of crime....which God will not forgive, this side of eternity, to the truly contrite of heart.

The dynamic power of Divine Grace to move the most obdurate heart to repentance was also omitted from the considerationIndeed, the intimate and essential connection of grace with final salvation is widely overlooked. ...

Other important bits of evidence were neglected as the clamorous verdict was reached: for example, the fact that nothing happens in this world without the permission of God. The reason "Schultz" was not killed instantly was because it was God's will that he be not killed instantly, and so he was conscious the morning after, and able to receive the grace of conversion, a grace that comes from God

If "Schultz's" conversion was sincere it means that God gave him a last chance to save his soul, and that "Dutch" took advantage of the offer. It does not mean that God, or His Church, condoned the evil life of "Schultz" but that ... God judged he should be given another opportunity to save his soul....

After all, Heaven belongs to God. If He wants "Dutch Schultz" to be there, it is difficult to see what we can do about it. Perhaps, instead of worrying about "Schultz" a somewhat more profitable occupation for us would be to do a little more worrying about our own salvation--to make sure we get there ourselves. We may not be given the opportunity for a death-bed repentance. Relatively few are given that chance.

Marcelino · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2018, 03:23:07 AM »

I bet Dutch has another 10 thousand years or so to go in Purgatory. :heretic:

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2018, 11:09:28 AM »

Quote from: Marcelino on April 02, 2018, 03:23:07 AM

I bet Dutch has another 10 thousand years or so to go in Purgatory. :heretic:

A sincere person baptized just before death goes straight to heaven.

If Dutch Schultz was not sincere, he went to hell.

Marcelino · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2018, 01:54:57 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 02, 2018, 11:09:28 AM

A sincere person baptized just before death goes straight to heaven.

If Dutch Schultz was not sincere, he went to hell.

Who said he was baptized?

poche · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2018, 02:16:18 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on March 31, 2018, 06:30:30 PM

I was talking with a man who works at my church, he implied it's now too late for sinners to return to God. I was a little surprised by this, he did not want to elaborate. I'm not sure what he's referring to, i'm still praying the rosary for the intention of sinners.

Is it too late for some people?

It is only too late at the final last few minutes.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2018, 11:22:08 AM »

Quote from: Marcelino on April 03, 2018, 01:54:57 AM

Who said he was baptized?

The story is of the deathbed conversion of a Jєω. How could he be converted if he wasn’t baptized?

Marcelino · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2018, 03:06:59 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 11:09:01 PM

Baptism of desire; God sees within the interior of the heart and responds with His mercy to every impulse of conversion.

Right. I think you are assuming an awful lot.

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2018, 04:13:20 AM »

Quote from: Marcelino on April 06, 2018, 03:06:59 AM

Right. I think you are assuming an awful lot.

Man sees the outside while God sees into the heart.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2018, 01:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Marcelino on April 03, 2018, 01:54:57 AM

Who said he was baptized?

Dutch Shultz was baptized by the priest. He requested a priest and asked to be baptized into the Catholic Church. A person who is baptized and dies goes straight to Heaven, if he was sincere about wanting to be a Catholic and baptized. If you do some research, you will find that he said a lady appeared to him and told him this was his last chance. Whether you choose to believe that or not, it is a historical fact that he requested to be baptized into the Catholic Church. That was the point of my postings, anyone can be forgiven of their sins while they are still alive.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2018, 01:16:26 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 03, 2018, 11:09:01 PM

Baptism of desire; God sees within the interior of the heart and responds with His mercy to every impulse of conversion.

Baptism of desire is man's invention. It is God that gives the grace for conversion and it is God that takes ones life. If a person dies unbaptized, it is because they did not respond to God grace, and would have gone to hell even if they had been baptized and even if they had lived 1000 years.

The gangster Dutch Schultz responded to God grace and asked to be baptized into the Catholic Church.

Marcelino · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2018, 05:56:14 PM »

O.k., so it appears The Church teaches that. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to risk it. Furthermore, his reward in Heaven is apparently not as great as one who's tried to live a better life. Moreover, The Church has changed its mind on issues like this in the past (like Limbo). So yeah, Salvation can be attained and maybe even Purgatory avoided, but odds are that a life lived like that will cause you to abhor The Cross and all things Holy (like Dracula). Hence, I would strongly advise against it.

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