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« on: February 27, 2013, 10:58:09 PM »
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  • I think the lack of trust among Catholics caused by the infiltration, and greatly aggravated by petty rivalry, is one of the main reasons for the problems in Tradition.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 11:06:18 PM »
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    I think the lack of trust among Catholics caused by the infiltration, and greatly aggravated by petty rivalry, is one of the main reasons for the problems in Tradition.


    Petty rivalry rather than infiltration, in my opinion, is the main reason for problems. This is a serious issue and priests should play the good shepherd. I have know instances of some priests thriving on division.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 11:08:54 PM »
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    Petty rivalry rather than infiltration, in my opinion, is the main reason for problems.


    If there wasn't an infiltration problem the traditional movement wouldn't have had to come into existence.

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    I have know instances of some priests thriving on division.


    Which really makes one question, why are priests behaving in such a way?

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    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 11:35:28 PM »
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    I think the lack of trust among Catholics caused by the infiltration, and greatly aggravated by petty rivalry, is one of the main reasons for the problems in Tradition.


    As has been noted before, it is the clergy who have caused this. The layfolk have been manipulated and disturbed by clergymen with their own agendas.

    The infiltration was made by unworthy Priests and Bishops who either had no vocation or fitness (or both) for Sacred Orders, and therefore God has abandoned them to their own designs and wiles: this is true no matter what stance you take (Novus Ordo, recognize-and-resist, sedevacantist, etc.).

    St. Alphonsus wrote that men who enter Sacred Orders without a divine vocation and proper fitness were reprobates who are already abandoned by God. They shall never bear fruit, and whatever good they do shall not ameliorate their punishment at Doomsday, for it was God who made use of these vile instruments to make known His power and goodness: whatever good they may have done was never theirs but the work of grace despite their failures and scandals.

    And this is about Priests who have valid Orders. Regarding charlattans, such as Ryan Scott, the Traditio "Fathers," the Duarte-Costa freaks, &c.: they most certainly have much to fear regarding their eternal destinies.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 11:49:28 PM »
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    I have known instances of some priests thriving on division.


    Which really makes one question, why are priests behaving in such a way?


    At least half the Traditional Catholic priests I have known thrived on division. This way they could do their own thing and always have people to support them. What sort of "things"?. Disappear when on a priestly visitation with most not knowing where he is gone, if there will be Mass, or catechism or visitation or whatever. Or give only a favored few their phone contact. Or go gallivanting in the company of their toadies. It is amazing that a proportion of these priests have no humility. They act not only as though they are real priests, but also as if they are the only priests (not caring one hoot whether the bulk of the Catholic population think otherwise!).
    Some have preconceived ideas and one way of keeping workaholic "old-timers" at bay is the good-old-divide-and-rule!


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    « Reply #5 on: February 28, 2013, 01:25:10 AM »
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  • I agree with the posts so far, but I think this sort of prideful attitude is kind of the way most leaders behave in our "modern" culture.  So, I think it's a symptom of the garbage culture seeping into/dragging down the church.  

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    « Reply #6 on: February 28, 2013, 06:29:43 AM »
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  • Catholics seem to have little loyalty.

    It's a result of influences that effeminize.  So tend to be overly influenced by women, who are typically heavily influenced by TV.


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    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 05:45:07 PM »
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  • The problem is stated in Matt. 24 and Chapter 12 of Daniel.  Marxism/communism takes over from the Top down.  The less Precious Blood, the more the devil takes on.  Till we get to Chapter 12 of Daniel.  No "continual" sacrifice for up to 3 and a half years.  We are very close.  All of hell is unleashed.  But a remnant will be left and that will be  the true Church that Christ has founded.  We know that hell will not win.  For those in the New Order who think hell will not prevail and can stay there in the New Order are naive.  Pride gets a hold of these people and that is a part of Satan's ways, to blind us, apostasy.  


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    « Reply #8 on: March 02, 2013, 12:21:11 AM »
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    The infiltration was made by unworthy Priests and Bishops who either had no vocation or fitness (or both) for Sacred Orders, and therefore God has abandoned them to their own designs and wiles: this is true no matter what stance you take (Novus Ordo, recognize-and-resist, sedevacantist, etc.).

    St. Alphonsus wrote that men who enter Sacred Orders without a divine vocation and proper fitness were reprobates who are already abandoned by God. They shall never bear fruit, and whatever good they do shall not ameliorate their punishment at Doomsday, for it was God who made use of these vile instruments to make known His power and goodness: whatever good they may have done was never theirs but the work of grace despite their failures and scandals.


     
    This is so true.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 08:54:16 PM »
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  • Women heavily influenced by TV?  As if men can watch and it has less evil effect?  I think not!  Anyone who sits before the idiot box channel surfing is under the influence.

    p.s.  Hello to "Pablo" if you haven't been banished.  Just for the record, I think Paul should stay on so long as he refrains from techno-trickery.  Controversy can be fun.  It makes a wise man smarter, while it infuriates fools.  

    FYI. Pablo, I'm your friend, but if you approach me with a crucifix and holy water, I'll sic my biggest hermit crab on your nose.  Guess Who???!!!

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    « Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 09:19:48 PM »
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  • I don't know, I think women are more influenced by peer pressure, than men are.  Although, ultimately "everybody" seems to give in.  Still, I do think it's tougher on women.  Just look at how they're affected by advertising.  I don't think we can chalk up anexoria entirely to skinny models, but I do think that's got a lot to do with it!  Lets face it, women do tend to be more passive and "go with the flow," than men are and television/advertising/mass media appear to be the biggest levers in the culture.  


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    « Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 09:41:27 PM »
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  • There's an old saying:

    That in Hell, there are long interlinked chains of souls all pointing to one and other as the reason for being there.  

    At the end of these agonizing links is the soul of a priest who falied his flock
    and his duty to persevere.