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Losing Faith
« on: September 09, 2021, 07:06:58 PM »
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  • The Crisis

    I find myself in a predicament lately; one that has ravaged my mind and slowly envelops my soul.

    Catholicism is the only religion that has ever made sense to me and I find it is as essential to my identity as my name, ethnicity, and physical attributes.

    Yet I find myself losing faith in it. I am unable to comprehend the manifold issues of the post-conciliar era in a rational manner. The sheer amount of destruction does not make sense to me.

    End time prophesies and similar apocalyptic hypotheses don’t seem to me to be a reliable guide for analyzing my observations. I do not think this is an objective matter of course.

    None of the solutions proposed are satisfying. The spectrum which ranges from those who deny there is anything wrong in the Church to those who deny the Pope are lacking essentially reasonable scrutiny of the matter at hand. The theories are ultimately incompatible with indefectibility or historical continuity or the Church’s conception of Herself in the pre-conciliar era.

    So I ponder that maybe pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate?

    Maybe the simplest explanation is that the Catholic Church isn’t Christ’s true Church?






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    Re: Losing Faith
    « Reply #1 on: September 09, 2021, 07:17:41 PM »
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  • "I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"

     [Luke 18:8]

    Current events are a test of Faith. Each of us has to decide if we believe Jesus or not. He has allowed a situation that is beyond our ability. Will you believe him or rely on your own understanding? It really is that simple.



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    Re: Losing Faith
    « Reply #2 on: September 09, 2021, 07:25:25 PM »
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  • Anonymous said:

    “Yet I find myself losing faith in it. I am unable to comprehend the manifold issues of the post-conciliar era in a rational manner.”

    This is the essence of your problem: 

    You are demanding a logical/rational solution/explanation, whereas you should humbly accept the concept of mystery.

    You need to make yourself accept that God and His Church are not all reducible to logical explanation.

    Just as faith transcends reason and logical explanation (because the object of faith exceeds them), so too must we accept the limits of intellect.

    Ultimately, this is a test, and those who pass it only do so by grace.  So you need to pray for the ability to persevere in the humble acceptance of mystery.

    On a side note, I once saw a blasphemous movie in the ‘90’s called the Prophecy, in which the devil comes up to the heroine of the movie, and says to him, “Think what would happen if one was tested, and didn’t understand.”

    Those living in these times are all being sorely tested, but Our Lord said, “Unless you are like one of these children...”. In other words, make your faith simple, and you have a better chance of perseverance.

    And if you need a boost from time to time, thank God for those moments in your life where, by a signal grace, you became certain He was guiding you.  If you were not wrong then (and you were not convinced you were right because of reason or logic!), then that should encourage you in trusting where you have ended up today:

    Catholic.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Losing Faith
    « Reply #3 on: September 09, 2021, 07:38:46 PM »
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  • The Church is going through the same passion, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection of Our Lord.

    Matt 26:31
    Then Jesus said to them: All you shall be scandalized in me this night. For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed.


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    Re: Losing Faith
    « Reply #4 on: September 09, 2021, 07:52:46 PM »
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  • Yet I find myself losing faith in it. I am unable to comprehend the manifold issues of the post-conciliar era in a rational manner. The sheer amount of destruction does not make sense to me.

    But it's all over the Scriptures. An amount of destruction, as has never been seen:

    Quote from: Zach 11
    [15] And the Lord said to me: Take to thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.
    [16] For behold I will raise up a shepherd in the land, who shall not visit what is forsaken, nor seek what is scattered, nor heal what is broken, nor nourish that which standeth, and he shall eat the flesh of the fat ones, and break their hoofs.
    [17] O shepherd, and idol, that forsaketh the flock: the sword upon his arm and upon his right eye: his arm shall quite wither away, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.


    End time prophesies and similar apocalyptic hypotheses don’t seem to me to be a reliable guide for analyzing my observations. I do not think this is an objective matter of course.

    The gospel has been preached to all nations. It's time for the last days. Time for no real shepherd, for a foolish shepherd, a destroyer shepherd. Why shouldn't that be the case? Just because you'd prefer to be guided rather than having to guide yourself?


    Maybe the simplest explanation is that the Catholic Church isn’t Christ’s true Church?

    The simplest explanation is: What we witness is proof that the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ. Spiritual destruction is announced by canonical prophecy.


    indefectibility

    Indefectibility up to the Great Apostasy (2 Thess 2), when Antichrist and his body will "sit as the Church".
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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    Re: Losing Faith
    « Reply #5 on: September 10, 2021, 05:23:57 AM »
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  • I think we all have had to come to terms with what seems to contradict what we thought Catholicism is. I recall hearing for the first time that Our Lady of La Salette said 'Rome would become the seat of the anti-christ.' Were it not for the fact that on the day the Archbishop of Paris placed a crown on the head of the statur of Our Lady of La Salette according to the prescription of the Sacred Congregation of Rites, 21st August, 1879, there occurred a silent apparition at Knock west Ireland, I would have dismissed La Salette as an anti-Catholic illusion. What a dreadful thing to say, the Church promised by Jesus that He would be with for ever was to become 'the seat of the anti-christ'

    Since then I have seen and learned that Rome has indeed become the seat of the anti-christ in many ways. Now who could take seriously a religion that has a democratic way of electing a pope, a way that can be corrupted as it did, to give Christ's Church Peters who got rid of Tradition and the supernatural, and were able to make themselves saints of the Catholic Church one after the other. If ever there was a man-made religion, wasn't this one?

    Now I know scandals of every kind in the Church have given millions a reason to reject the faith. Fortunately for me, one who went AWOL for years, I was faced with a choice when I married and chose to have a Catholic marriage and rear any children as Catholics just as my father and mother did for me. I had to separate the faith from those who run the Church. I found the Latin Mass I was reared in and sacraments. I had to learn how to completely ignore all the happenings and modernism of churchmen, for they are not the faith. I learned that God has allowed this to happen in His Church for reasons I do not understand. Which brings us down to the meaning of faith, trusting God, praying to His mother Mary, and keeping in mind always that there is an eternal life ahead of all of us and I must have that faith to get to heaven. Try to find similarly-minded friends to help keep the faith, and trust in God.


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    Re: Losing Faith
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  • But he who endures to the end will be saved. - Matthew 24:13

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    Re: Losing Faith
    « Reply #7 on: September 10, 2021, 04:48:28 PM »
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    Maybe the simplest explanation is that the Catholic Church isn’t Christ’s true Church?

    "Begone, Satan!"
    I don't permit blasphemy or heresy on CathInfo.
    I can tell you with absolute certainty where that "thought" came from: Hell.

    And Mr. Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation here is that your limited intellect and education, combined with temptations from a more intelligent being (the devil) have combined to cause your current perplexity. The simplest explanation is that you're WRONG and/or LACK UNDERSTANDING/KNOWLEDGE about the question(s) you address.


    The Crisis in the Church is a supernatural mystery.

    If you want to understand everything with your (seriously limited) human intellect, that is rationalism and PRIDE and you deserve whatever that pride brings you -- including loss of faith and eternal damnation.

    "Pride goeth before a fall."

    Trying to privately interpret Scripture leads to eternal destruction, according to Scripture itself. Why wouldn't peering too deeply into God's mysteries like the current Crisis have the same effect? Both involve copious amounts of pride.

    This is a test, like everything.
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    Re: Losing Faith
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    Maybe the simplest explanation is that the Catholic Church isn’t Christ’s true Church?


    It is entirely possible to believe with confidence that:

    1.  Francis is not Pope.
    2.  That there are still hierarchical bishops left in the world.
    3.  That the Catholic Church is now very small but essentially intact.  

    So long as the essentials remain, the church remains intact.   

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    Re: Losing Faith
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  • This is the OP.

    I appreciate everyone’s responses and zealous good will. You are all much more than faithful and loyal than I, it appears.

    It certainly isn’t a pleasant experience to entertain devious doubts in the religion that I love so much and cherish deeply. One that I am still willing to die for; my current state of mind notwithstanding.

    Perhaps I may summarize the ugliness of the matter which I perceive. In short, there has been no reprieve; nothing but continuously unending scandal, abomination, apostasy, heresy, and a deterioration of all that is beautiful and good since Vatican II on a daily basis.

    Moreover the only realistic bastion of hope which is the Traditionalist movement is fraught with unending division, mutual excommunications, moral opprobriums, and theological/ecclesiological/historical free for all’s.

    It is indeed a very daunting situation.

    Perhaps the matter is as some of you strongly stated, there is no rational way out.

    It is perchance that the matter rests on faith alone.

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    Re: Losing Faith
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  • I would have dismissed La Salette as an anti-Catholic illusion. What a dreadful thing to say, the Church promised by Jesus that He would be with for ever was to become 'the seat of the anti-christ'



    The Church isn't going to lose the faith, or become the seat of the antichrist.  She said Rome will lose the faith, which is clearly has, and did a long time ago.  The Church is eternal and will never lose the faith. 


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  • Someone had a party by themselves last night. 

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  • But he who endures to the end will be saved. - Matthew 24:13

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  • Quote from: Änσnymσus 9/10/2021, 5:36:38 PM
    This is the OP.

    I appreciate everyone’s responses and zealous good will. You are all much more than faithful and loyal than I, it appears.

    It certainly isn’t a pleasant experience to entertain devious doubts in the religion that I love so much and cherish deeply. One that I am still willing to die for; my current state of mind notwithstanding.

    Perhaps I may summarize the ugliness of the matter which I perceive. In short, there has been no reprieve; nothing but continuously unending scandal, abomination, apostasy, heresy, and a deterioration of all that is beautiful and good since Vatican II on a daily basis.

    Moreover the only realistic bastion of hope which is the Traditionalist movement is fraught with unending division, mutual excommunications, moral opprobriums, and theological/ecclesiological/historical free for all’s.

    It is indeed a very daunting situation.

    Perhaps the matter is as some of you strongly stated, there is no rational way out.

    It is perchance that the matter rests on faith alone.


    This post put me in mind of this little excerpt from the current Vigano interview thread regarding the alleged apparition of Our Lady in Civitavecchia:

    “The heartfelt and strong words are precisely those of a distressed mother: “Children, the Church has entered the period of great trial, and in many of you the faith will become unstable.”