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Living Wage vs. Minimum Wage
« on: May 24, 2014, 09:25:48 PM »
This really belongs in the Paul Rand thread, but I wish to remain anonymous.  I work full time + take extra jobs for past 36 years, 32 in a professional field, but at low pay for reasons of faith.  Due to medical debt, I am for the first time ever, forced to take groceries from a no questions asked Protestant food pantry.  It was that or risk my still tenuous health by not eating, forgoing necessary medication, or not paying the rent.  IMO, those employers who claim to be Christian as is mine, should pay their employees a living wage whether the government legislates it or not.  I inquired about SNAP only to be told I do not qualify.  To receive government assistance, I have to have a dependent child or be unemployed for six months. I am single and must support myself.  Did I do the right thing or not?  I see government assistance as to be avoided at nearly all costs.  Once on welfare, few ever get off it.

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2014, 04:03:59 AM »

Okay, you give everyone a living wage and businesses will go out of business. Not only will those employees not have jobs- neither will the owners.

Then the economy spirals because of inflation, everyone will be paying more for everything and then the living wage continues to increase.

Instead of compelling govt to force employers to subsidize your income with unearned monies, how about cutting corners like shopping at Walmart ?


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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2014, 06:09:05 AM »
OP responds, in my recent situation, I'd have been shoplifting at Walmart.  Was down to exactly $4.13, not sufficient for bus fare to get to Walmart.  Please don't tell me to walk or ride a bike.  The closest Walmart is too far away for a healthy person to do that.
Was it wrong of me to request groceries from Protestants when there are no Catholics to ask and the government requires me to have a child out of wedlock or be a lazy bum?

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2014, 08:46:56 AM »
Quote from: crossbro

how about cutting corners like shopping at Walmart ?


You need money to shop at Walmart.  Again we have the more comfortable  blaming the poor for the being poor for suffering. If only they _____.

To the OP I've found outreaches vary. One here has a church service and if you attend you can go through the give away line. Others allow you to get food 4x or 3x per year and no prayer or church service required. If that is no questions asked it sounds like the later, nothing wrong with that.

The unemployed for 6 months sounds funny though, if you have less than $150 and no savings or income you should be eligible for emergency SNAP benefits but what is on paper isn't always how things work IRL. It's  ridiculous families with very young children who eat like birds might get $150 in SNAP for each child plus WIC, maybe eat at school and or daycare too,  but older single people are waiting for outdated  damaged cans to bring home after eating lunch at the soup kitchen.

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 09:07:10 AM »
Quote from: crossbro

Okay, you give everyone a living wage and businesses will go out of business. Not only will those employees not have jobs- neither will the owners.

Then the economy spirals because of inflation, everyone will be paying more for everything and then the living wage continues to increase.

Instead of compelling govt to force employers to subsidize your income with unearned monies, how about cutting corners like shopping at Walmart ?


Here is simple Economics 101 that has been around since the economics of the Middle Ages (before the onset of the Enlightenment and the liberal doctrine of economics you follow came into being).

To let the nation thrive you must support the domestic market, otherwise the value of the money decreases and foreign nations become richer at the expense of both domestic workers and the value of the money. Therefore if you buy cheap, foreign goods down at Wal-Mart, while you love it because it is "cheap," it will only be cheap for so long since your decision to buy from foreign sources has lead to domestic workers losing their jobs and has destroyed the value of the dollar. This liberal doctrine of the free trade and free markets mentality based on the ideals of the Enlightenment and the liberal doctrine of the primacy of the individaul over the common good has been the downfall of every nation that has followed it starting with Endland back in the 1830's.

Inflation is not caused by the riasing of wages as you claim but actually by the decling value of the money. It is actually within the government's policy to support a living wage so the State can support the ideal of large families and a heightened birth rate.