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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on June 07, 2014, 12:28:23 AM
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What is your opinion of the TV series "Little House on the Prairie"?
At first glance, it appears to be good Catholic fare.
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There are a few incidents in episodes that are not great but otherwise it is fine.
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Laura Ingalls is a pain in the xxxx and a know it all and busy body but that is only opinion :)
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Soul rotting slush. :incense:
see below
only joking :laugh1:
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There are scenes were the husband and wife kiss, I wouldn't be comfortable having children watch them.
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It's about the life of a family of Protestants. I read them growing up (Lutheran) -- they are slightly interestng, but there are no Catholic principles there. (Didn't see the TV show though.
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puritan protestants
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There are scenes were the husband and wife kiss, I wouldn't be comfortable having children watch them.
This must be one of the most puritanical, un-Catholic statements about a television show I have ever seen.
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The acting is pretty bad, the story lines trite and the "Christianity" superficial at best.
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We used to burst out laughing at the bit in the beginning, or end of the show when baby Carrie fell over in the grass, when we watched it as kids.
We must have been sadists in the 1970s I guess.
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In one episode when they are dealing with some Indians, Mary grumbles that they are "heathens" and Michael Landon's character sternly rebukes here thusly:
"They may not read the same Bible we do or worship God the same way but they are his children too."
Landon was a Jew, I believe. I don't know if the historical Pa Ingalls would have said that.
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There are a few incidents in episodes that are not great but otherwise it is fine.
:roll-laugh1:
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There are a few incidents in episodes that are not great but otherwise it is fine.
:roll-laugh1:
That's an apt reaction for this entire thread.
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Fond memories of the times when I used to watch it.
Protestant or not, it's harmless especially when compared with today's trash.
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If you're going to go Protestant family show (because are there even any good Catholic family shows?), go with The Waltons.
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Waltons had an episode that portrayed divorce and remarriage in a positive way. I can't think of any TV show that completely reflects Catholicism.
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I grew up watching these shows. What I got from Little House was seeing loving parents who believed in right and wrong and made sure their kids knew the difference, how to deal with bullies at school, a great appreciation for indoor plumbing and appliances, wishing I had a sister and lived in the country where I too could run through a meadow....
What I got from the Waltons was a chance to see how a large family took care of and very much loved many children and aging parents and learned from watching John-Boy write that we should observe all the seemingly "little things" in life because so much of what we experience every day can be a lesson for us. I wanted to start writing too and I did. The best part of each episode was when they all said Good-night to one another. I wished my family would do that. I wished my family loved one another the way the Ingalls and the Waltons did. I guess if I had become a mom I would have wanted to be as loving as Caroline and Olivia and have a big family too. I'd say these shows had a positive influence on me.
As for the things mentioned here that were in the shows, I didn't pay attention to all that. They weren't Catholics so I didn't expect to see Catholic practices. My neighbors weren't Catholic either! You learn as a kid where the dividing line is for what is acceptable for us Catholics and what is not. Now, as an adult, I understand that everyone is supposed to be Catholic but that isn't the way the world is and it's not going to be that way anytime soon as far as I can tell.
Kids pick up on things adults don't and vice-versa. An example: Once one of my nieces was visiting me. She was about 7. She was watching Lassie or something while I did the dishes. When I finished I went into the living room where she was and lo and behold she's watching Jerry Springer who had prostitutes on! My first impulse was to rush to the TV to turn it off and give her the "we don't watch that kind of trash around here" lecture but I stopped short because she was watching the TV so intently. Surely she couldn't understand what they were talking about, could she? I had to know so that I could tell her mom.
I walked over to her and asked "What are you watching? You seem really interested in it." The reply: "You see that lady--the way she wears her hair? I want to do that with mine and I'm trying to figure out how she does it." Just to be sure, I asked her "What are they talking about?" She said, "Oh, I don't know. I'm not paying attention. I just want to know how she does her hair like that." I turned off the TV and got her interested in something else while I thanked God for keeping her so innocent and teaching me not to be away from the TV when it's time for a show to end and another to begin.
I'm not saying children can't be negatively influenced by shows or such. I'm just saying what we see as adults and what they see as children can be completely different. They'll see it on TV or at the grocery store or in a doctor's waiting room or almost any place you go -- secular society is not wholesome in dress or manners or speech... I'll take Little House and/or The Waltons any day over the local mall or Walmart or the local grocery store....
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Waltons had an episode that portrayed divorce and remarriage in a positive way. I can't think of any TV show that completely reflects Catholicism.
I don't recall that episode, but I never said it completely reflected Catholicism. I mean (most of) the family was Baptist through and through. I do think that between the two shows, however, that The Waltons was far better in almost every way (and probably the best family show of that era).
I have to wonder whether there was ever a fully Catholic TV show .....even pre-VII.
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I'll take Little House and/or The Waltons any day over the local mall or Walmart or the local grocery store....
My husband and I still do...lol.
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I have to wonder whether there was ever a fully Catholic TV show … even pre-VII.
The Lone Ranger had sterling values to go along with his silver bullets; nary a thing to complain of there. The Cisco Kid was also admirable.
Best of all, however, was the Rootie Kazootie Club. Rootie was, of course, a puppet, as was his girlfriend Polka Dottie, his dog Gala Poochie the Pup, and his nemesis, the evil Poison Zoomack, who spent his every waking hour trying to steal Rootie's Magic Kazootie. Think of Jim McMahon, the former Bears quarterback, and you will have a good idea of what Rootie looked like thirty years earlier.
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What is your opinion of the TV series "Little House on the Prairie"?
At first glance, it appears to be good Catholic fare.
The pilot episode is great.
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Waltons had an episode that portrayed divorce and remarriage in a positive way. I can't think of any TV show that completely reflects Catholicism.
I don't recall that episode, but I never said it completely reflected Catholicism. I mean (most of) the family was Baptist through and through. I do think that between the two shows, however, that The Waltons was far better in almost every way (and probably the best family show of that era).
I have to wonder whether there was ever a fully Catholic TV show .....even pre-VII.
All I can remember is "Mass for Shut-Ins" and Bishop Fulton Sheen giving us heck I think every Sunday night as far as Catholicism went.
When Steven Allen hosted The Tonight Show (or whatever it was called at that time) he used to have a handheld horn that he would blow if the guest starting talking in any improper way. I think the shows were live then. The Sid Ceasar Show was hilarious with Imogene Coca and male comedians whose faces I still see but can't remember their names. Real talent then. I think we had 3 or 4 channels!! As I recall, not all of them had shows on at the same time so you'd have maybe one or two shows in an hour from which to choose, but all were good. We had censors then and a Code and the Church had it's list of non-approved movies. You always had to check that before heading to the theater.
The shows were much cleaner then. We'd watch some as a family. Jack Benny, The George Burns Show, Highway Patrol, Life with Riley, My Little Margie, The Gail Storm Show, The Eve Arden Show, The Ann Sothern Show, Father Knows Best, The Donna Reed Show, My Three Sons, Dragnet, Bonanza, The Joey Bishop Show, The Honeymooners with Jackie Gleason, What's My Line, Beat the Clock, Name That Tune, Password come to mind--I'm sure there were more but I remember these from the time before I was old enough to go to school or in the elementary school years.
I don't recall the shows dealing with religion at all except for the two I mentioned. They were situation comedies, dramas, or game shows. I don't remember when the soap operas began. I think the first one was Days of Our Lives.
Since there was only one TV in the house back then, parents always knew what their children were watching and I really can't recall anything scandalous--oh yes--Paton (Peyton?) Place. I wasn't allowed to watch that and my mother didn't either. It's too bad the shows weren't recorded. We had some great stuff. TV was considered a "treat" after all chores and homework was done.
Kids had Ranger Hal, Captain Kangaroo, Zorro, Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, yes The Lone Ranger, The Roy Evans Show, probably more. Not that many were on. Lots of blank screen time during the day back then through the 50s. The Twilight Zone with Rod Sterling and Alfred Hitchcock Presents were fantastic.
When Ed Sullivan had Elvis or the Beatles on, THAT was a real shocker. When "All in the Family" began it was VERY shocking and troubling to many. There were A LOT of sermons in church about that show! TV quickly went downhill from there. The "Mary Tyler Moore Show" was a refreshing relief from what else there was at that time for the most part.
The decline went cross-spectrum. TV, movies, records--as time went by they all got proportionately worse. With Vatican II, the Viet Nam War, and the Hippie Movement, society underwent a total upheaval. Entertainment reflected it, contributed to it. Children's TV viewing hours began to be curtailed by parents who cared. Our family and those we knew bemoaned the fact that entertainment, especially TV (many couldn't afford the movies) was becoming "so bad." Now--can it get any worse???
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The decline went cross-spectrum. TV, movies, records--as time went by they all got proportionately worse. With Vatican II, the Viet Nam War, and the Hippie Movement, society underwent a total upheaval. Entertainment reflected it, contributed to it. Children's TV viewing hours began to be curtailed by parents who cared. Our family and those we knew bemoaned the fact that entertainment, especially TV (many couldn't afford the movies) was becoming "so bad." Now--can it get any worse???
Yeah the 40's and 50's TV shows were great. :rolleyes: I mean what's not to love about useless post-war materialism and affluency promoted in these television shows.
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Waltons had an episode that portrayed divorce and remarriage in a positive way. I can't think of any TV show that completely reflects Catholicism.
I don't recall that episode, but I never said it completely reflected Catholicism. I mean (most of) the family was Baptist through and through. I do think that between the two shows, however, that The Waltons was far better in almost every way (and probably the best family show of that era).
I have to wonder whether there was ever a fully Catholic TV show .....even pre-VII.
All I can remember is "Mass for Shut-Ins" and Bishop Fulton Sheen giving us heck I think every Sunday night as far as Catholicism went.
When Steven Allen hosted The Tonight Show (or whatever it was called at that time) he used to have a handheld horn that he would blow if the guest starting talking in any improper way. I think the shows were live then. The Sid Ceasar Show was hilarious with Imogene Coca and male comedians whose faces I still see but can't remember their names. Real talent then. I think we had 3 or 4 channels!! As I recall, not all of them had shows on at the same time so you'd have maybe one or two shows in an hour from which to choose, but all were good. We had censors then and a Code and the Church had it's list of non-approved movies. You always had to check that before heading to the theater.
The shows were much cleaner then. We'd watch some as a family. Jack Benny, The George Burns Show, Highway Patrol, Life with Riley, My Little Margie, The Gail Storm Show, The Eve Arden Show, The Ann Sothern Show, Father Knows Best, The Donna Reed Show, My Three Sons, Dragnet, Bonanza, The Joey Bishop Show, The Honeymooners with Jackie Gleason, What's My Line, Beat the Clock, Name That Tune, Password come to mind--I'm sure there were more but I remember these from the time before I was old enough to go to school or in the elementary school years.
I don't recall the shows dealing with religion at all except for the two I mentioned. They were situation comedies, dramas, or game shows. I don't remember when the soap operas began. I think the first one was Days of Our Lives.
Since there was only one TV in the house back then, parents always knew what their children were watching and I really can't recall anything scandalous--oh yes--Paton (Peyton?) Place. I wasn't allowed to watch that and my mother didn't either. It's too bad the shows weren't recorded. We had some great stuff. TV was considered a "treat" after all chores and homework was done.
Kids had Ranger Hal, Captain Kangaroo, Zorro, Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, yes The Lone Ranger, The Roy Evans Show, probably more. Not that many were on. Lots of blank screen time during the day back then through the 50s. The Twilight Zone with Rod Sterling and Alfred Hitchcock Presents were fantastic.
When Ed Sullivan had Elvis or the Beatles on, THAT was a real shocker. When "All in the Family" began it was VERY shocking and troubling to many. There were A LOT of sermons in church about that show! TV quickly went downhill from there. The "Mary Tyler Moore Show" was a refreshing relief from what else there was at that time for the most part.
The decline went cross-spectrum. TV, movies, records--as time went by they all got proportionately worse. With Vatican II, the Viet Nam War, and the Hippie Movement, society underwent a total upheaval. Entertainment reflected it, contributed to it. Children's TV viewing hours began to be curtailed by parents who cared. Our family and those we knew bemoaned the fact that entertainment, especially TV (many couldn't afford the movies) was becoming "so bad." Now--can it get any worse???
I do know some of the shows you've mentioned.
But, as far as your last question? I worry what TV will look like in another 20 years. I already avoid most of it.
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Yeah the 40's and 50's TV shows were great. I mean what's not to love about useless post-war materialism and affluency promoted in these television shows.
Right. So you think that what everyone needed then and needs now are programs promoting overspending, immorality, stupidity, and disrespect for your elders and betters? What do you know? You've got your wish!
I take it that your own favorite program is How I Learned to Be a Sarcastic Adolescent Moron.
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The decline went cross-spectrum. TV, movies, records--as time went by they all got proportionately worse. With Vatican II, the Viet Nam War, and the Hippie Movement, society underwent a total upheaval. Entertainment reflected it, contributed to it. Children's TV viewing hours began to be curtailed by parents who cared. Our family and those we knew bemoaned the fact that entertainment, especially TV (many couldn't afford the movies) was becoming "so bad." Now--can it get any worse???
Yeah the 40's and 50's TV shows were great. :rolleyes: I mean what's not to love about useless post-war materialism and affluency promoted in these television shows.
You need to understand where people's minds were during those years. You used keywords: Post-war. My parents got married during the war years, had their first child during the war years. Both my parents had siblings and relatives in the war. You never knew when a loved one would be killed. Food was rationed. Try feeding a family on one orange a week for the fruit, rationed flour and sugar and eggs, rationed coffee... Living was hard and everyone who loved someone in the war had been exhausted from worry and fear. People needed to recover from the strain. The children knew their parents were worried. The children sometimes feared what would happen to them if their parents could no longer afford to take care of them. Orphanages were popular then.
Maybe the shows didn't reflect the best the world should have, but a good laugh, a look at what they hoped the future might hold someday after being deprived of so much for so long--it helped keep people going, kept them from remembering, helped keep them hoping for a better world where veterans could make a decent living and mothers had only to worry about schoolyard fights and making sure their kids did their homework and not so much about how to feed and clothe them anymore or if Catholic, how to afford yet another mouth to feed.
You just had to live in those times. You just had to have first-hand experience to understand, to sit at your parents' or grandparents' feet and listen to them talk about it. And we kids of the 40s and 50s lived at the tail-end of it with second-hand clothes and sock and bed sheets being patched and watching our mom cry when something costly broke and being told at Christmas or a birthday, "we can't afford it this year; maybe next year." Our toys for the most part were ordinary things you'd find around the house and we used our imagination to make them into something.
This reply is not meant to sound mean. I can understand how hard it must be to imagine how we had it and even worse for our parents. It was so different then from today. America needed to laugh again, to have hope again, to recover. TV helped. No, these shows were anything but "useless." You are seeing it from a different viewpoint than I am. That's all.
And you're not seeing any of the good these shows promoted. Often it was hard for a veteran to fit into society again after seeing the horrors he had witnessed--things we back home thought were tragedies like an appliance not working (they were expensive!) seemed like so small a problem compared with what he had had to deal with, possibly going hungry and cold for days or weeks or longer.
Couples had to get to know one another all over again, how to stop living with the fear of losing one another to death or infidelity. The shows that involved a loving, non-dysfunctional family helped. TV gave everyone something in common to talk about, to watch and laugh about together and for even just a little while, forget the troubles of the day.
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Right. So you think that what everyone needed then and needs now are programs promoting overspending, immorality, stupidity, and disrespect for your elders and betters? What do you know? You've got your wish!
I take it that your own favorite program is How I Learned to Be a Sarcastic Adolescent Moron.
That last post was mine by the way but I know a coward like yourself has no courage to show who he is. You know I'd like to take the time to emphasise the greatness of youth and how my generation will have to deal with the evil, sick world that the "Greatest Generation" and baby boomers left to us. If you call that "disrespect" I am sure earlier generations felt the same way about your generation as well. I was criticising the materialist and consumeristic attitude of the 40's and 50's promoted by the world, which the Catholic Church opposed by the way.
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The last two posts about criticising the 40's and 50's were mine.
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You just had to live in those times. You just had to have first-hand experience to understand, to sit at your parents' or grandparents' feet and listen to them talk about it.
I don't need to live in those times to know the evils in them. World War II destroyed whatever decency there was in the Western world and after the war there was no decency since the Left captured all popular culture as prescribed by Gramsci. FDR, Truman, and even Eisenhower were hardly decent people and ade costly blunders.
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You just had to live in those times. You just had to have first-hand experience to understand, to sit at your parents' or grandparents' feet and listen to them talk about it.
I don't need to live in those times to know the evils in them. World War II destroyed whatever decency there was in the Western world and after the war there was no decency since the Left captured all popular culture as prescribed by Gramsci. FDR, Truman, and even Eisenhower were hardly decent people and ade costly blunders.
I never said there weren't any evils. Admittedly, some parents were too liberal with their children -- they wanted them to have better lives than they had had. Many of my friends were children of immigrant parents who had it very, very hard. They felt bad for their kids; didn't want the same fate for them.
So in some cases it backfired on the parents in the sense that the children wanted even more than what they had been given, rebelled against society and any form of "the establishment" and voila, the Hippie Movement. Yes, I agree with you--in some respects the baby boomers had it too good but not ALL of them and all society was not shot to blazes in one fell swoop.
Anytime people are vulnerable, the powers that be will take advantage of them. That's a given. I don't know politics that well so I can't respond to you on that topic. All I know is from what I observed and all decency was certainly NOT destroyed. No, far from it. The war made people less self-indulgent and more caring about one another. Your "neighbor" wasn't just the person who lived in the house or apartment on either side of you but anyone and everyone who you saw needed a helping hand. Hard times bring people together! I think you're looking at a forest where I'm seeing individual trees in that forest.
We couldn't control the government or the media. I can't speak about politics because I was just a child but I remember hearing my parents having conversations at dinner about what was going on. My father was particularly concerned. As for the media, we were so glad to have TV!!! No more just sitting by the radio listening to plays, etc. We assumed everything would be decent.
We concentrated on caring for one another and practicing our faith. We and our parents did the best they could given the circuмstances. Did we or our parents realize what 'damage' we were doing for future generations? No, I don't think anyone had any idea. Did we realize what the government or media or whatever was doing to us on any grand scale? Again, probably no. We just knew the war was over and we were busy getting on with life and personally meant no one any harm.
My family and I, our whole neighborhood, everyone we knew didn't want anything to do with the Hippies or their lifestyle or any other such changes going on in society in certain places; but even in the best-run, most wholesome families the children grew up and did as they pleased when adults. Now they're your grandparents or parents.
If you don't like what those generations left you, then change it if you can in any way, even just in your own life. Change will only come about by people doing something differently. My parents didn't like what the Depression did to them! My grandmother didn't like what the Flapper age did to her!
Our generation is suffering from your generation with all its fancy technology, its offshoring of business, its genetically modified foods, it's unhealthy living practices which make our health insurance premiums higher when we can little afford it.... Do you intend to harm us by the way you are living? Of course you don't. Do we intend to harm you by living longer? Of course not. We are all in this mess together.
How often have you heard, "how simple life used to be!" It was. Instead of the latest and the greatest we made do with what we had. Warranties actually lasted a loooooong time!!! We had things REPAIRED. A man could work for a company and expect to go up through the ranks over time and end up with a good pension. You worked for a company for life even if you hated your work. Changing jobs every couple of years was thought of as someone who could not be depended upon to contribute to the company all he could. Why bother to train him in the first place? Now it's expected of people to job hop to show ambition and a desire to succeed. Two different worlds.
Back then, parents could count on their children to take care of them when they aged. The ill and disabled were cared for at home. I've worked in nursing homes and ALFs and I see how little regard most people have for their aging parents and it frightens me. We wanted stability and security after the war years and still do. Your generation wants independence and freedom from constraints. Two worlds. Can what I've said about your generation be true of everyone? No. Can what you said about my generation be true of everyone? No. We've got to live and work together with what we've got.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying you're making sweeping statements about those years and maybe some of them are true when it comes to politics. All I know is, people cared a lot more about one another then and had an appreciation for life and God's gifts than I see now. I guess it's the way the human race has evolved when there is no strong Church to keep people on the right track. We do have fallen natures and those in control of our earthly fate (in a human sense) are not saints. Such is the result of a country not being Catholic in nature and belief. People, generations make mistakes. But it's the world each one of us has and we have to do what we can to live for God in it.
I prefer to put my energy into trying to make it better, even if it is "just" by saying a Rosary for America. I put "just" because it sounds like so little a thing to do to correct such a massive problem, but what God wills, He CAN do if enough people ask. The Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus, Our Savior, is proof of that.
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We have had September 11, 2001. Hurricanes , floods, tornadoes etc.
And now more then ever there is atheisism and disrespect for neighbor.
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Our government and Church is being run by the dope smokin, orgie lovin, atheist hippies.
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You just had to live in those times. You just had to have first-hand experience to understand, to sit at your parents' or grandparents' feet and listen to them talk about it.
I don't need to live in those times to know the evils in them. World War II destroyed whatever decency there was in the Western world and after the war there was no decency since the Left captured all popular culture as prescribed by Gramsci. FDR, Truman, and even Eisenhower were hardly decent people and ade costly blunders.
I never said there weren't any evils. Admittedly, some parents were too liberal with their children -- they wanted them to have better lives than they had had. Many of my friends were children of immigrant parents who had it very, very hard. They felt bad for their kids; didn't want the same fate for them.
So in some cases it backfired on the parents in the sense that the children wanted even more than what they had been given, rebelled against society and any form of "the establishment" and voila, the Hippie Movement. Yes, I agree with you--in some respects the baby boomers had it too good but not ALL of them and all society was not shot to blazes in one fell swoop.
Anytime people are vulnerable, the powers that be will take advantage of them. That's a given. I don't know politics that well so I can't respond to you on that topic. All I know is from what I observed and all decency was certainly NOT destroyed. No, far from it. The war made people less self-indulgent and more caring about one another. Your "neighbor" wasn't just the person who lived in the house or apartment on either side of you but anyone and everyone who you saw needed a helping hand. Hard times bring people together! I think you're looking at a forest where I'm seeing individual trees in that forest.
We couldn't control the government or the media. I can't speak about politics because I was just a child but I remember hearing my parents having conversations at dinner about what was going on. My father was particularly concerned. As for the media, we were so glad to have TV!!! No more just sitting by the radio listening to plays, etc. We assumed everything would be decent.
We concentrated on caring for one another and practicing our faith. We and our parents did the best they could given the circuмstances. Did we or our parents realize what 'damage' we were doing for future generations? No, I don't think anyone had any idea. Did we realize what the government or media or whatever was doing to us on any grand scale? Again, probably no. We just knew the war was over and we were busy getting on with life and personally meant no one any harm.
My family and I, our whole neighborhood, everyone we knew didn't want anything to do with the Hippies or their lifestyle or any other such changes going on in society in certain places; but even in the best-run, most wholesome families the children grew up and did as they pleased when adults. Now they're your grandparents or parents.
If you don't like what those generations left you, then change it if you can in any way, even just in your own life. Change will only come about by people doing something differently. My parents didn't like what the Depression did to them! My grandmother didn't like what the Flapper age did to her!
Our generation is suffering from your generation with all its fancy technology, its offshoring of business, its genetically modified foods, it's unhealthy living practices which make our health insurance premiums higher when we can little afford it.... Do you intend to harm us by the way you are living? Of course you don't. Do we intend to harm you by living longer? Of course not. We are all in this mess together.
How often have you heard, "how simple life used to be!" It was. Instead of the latest and the greatest we made do with what we had. Warranties actually lasted a loooooong time!!! We had things REPAIRED. A man could work for a company and expect to go up through the ranks over time and end up with a good pension. You worked for a company for life even if you hated your work. Changing jobs every couple of years was thought of as someone who could not be depended upon to contribute to the company all he could. Why bother to train him in the first place? Now it's expected of people to job hop to show ambition and a desire to succeed. Two different worlds.
Back then, parents could count on their children to take care of them when they aged. The ill and disabled were cared for at home. I've worked in nursing homes and ALFs and I see how little regard most people have for their aging parents and it frightens me. We wanted stability and security after the war years and still do. Your generation wants independence and freedom from constraints. Two worlds. Can what I've said about your generation be true of everyone? No. Can what you said about my generation be true of everyone? No. We've got to live and work together with what we've got.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying you're making sweeping statements about those years and maybe some of them are true when it comes to politics. All I know is, people cared a lot more about one another then and had an appreciation for life and God's gifts than I see now. I guess it's the way the human race has evolved when there is no strong Church to keep people on the right track. We do have fallen natures and those in control of our earthly fate (in a human sense) are not saints. Such is the result of a country not being Catholic in nature and belief. People, generations make mistakes. But it's the world each one of us has and we have to do what we can to live for God in it.
I prefer to put my energy into trying to make it better, even if it is "just" by saying a Rosary for America. I put "just" because it sounds like so little a thing to do to correct such a massive problem, but what God wills, He CAN do if enough people ask. The Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus, Our Savior, is proof of that.
. We should all do this A.M.D. G.
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I never said there weren't any evils. Admittedly, some parents were too liberal with their children -- they wanted them to have better lives than they had had. Many of my friends were children of immigrant parents who had it very, very hard. They felt bad for their kids; didn't want the same fate for them.
Well as I said those "Greatest Generation" parents were fools and idiots. Their whole philosophy was "My kid's not going to have it as bad as I did" and in promoting a spoiled and carefree existence they promoted unlimited gratification. And then to top it off these same idiotic parents then said, "This has been the finest young generation we have ever produced!" And to really top it off priests and pastors told massive scores of young girls that their lifestyle was okay since God was not "judgemental"!
So in some cases it backfired on the parents in the sense that the children wanted even more than what they had been given, rebelled against society and any form of "the establishment" and voila, the Hippie Movement. Yes, I agree with you--in some respects the baby boomers had it too good but not ALL of them and all society was not shot to blazes in one fell swoop.
Well I agree that not everyone from that generation was bad as some did their duty in Vietnam however it was the ideals of the 60's, the Woodstock values, that have prevailed, as the counter-culture has become the popular culture. However you glorifying 50's television is just pure nonsense. TV in the 50's promoted self-gratification.
Anytime people are vulnerable, the powers that be will take advantage of them. That's a given. I don't know politics that well so I can't respond to you on that topic. All I know is from what I observed and all decency was certainly NOT destroyed. No, far from it. The war made people less self-indulgent and more caring about one another. Your "neighbor" wasn't just the person who lived in the house or apartment on either side of you but anyone and everyone who you saw needed a helping hand. Hard times bring people together! I think you're looking at a forest where I'm seeing individual trees in that forest.
Well since you yourself admit that you don't know the politics and the history of that era well, perhaps you can afford a little respect to this young man, who does know the politics and secret history of that era well, and gain some insight into how the 40's and 50's paved the way for the 60's.
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I've said what I had to say. I admitted I know little about the politics of that era.
You have studied the era from what sources you have. I lived it. You look at it objectively, right or wrong. I remember it subjectively. Two viewpoints. No common ground for further discussion as far as I can tell.
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Back in the day young men had respect for their elders.
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Traditional guy 2O's generation are lazy. That generation listens to satanic metal music. They think they should make big money without working hard. All they do is party and hang out.
It is the illiterate and liberal generation. The selfish generation that the world owes them.
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Little house on the prairie is great show. :dancing:
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We used to burst out laughing at the bit in the beginning, or end of the show when baby Carrie fell over in the grass, when we watched it as kids.
We must have been sadists in the 1970s I guess.
Ha! Every time that show came on, my Grandpa would say to me;
:geezer: "Bet you a dollar that little girl is going to fall down that hill." And she did, every single time!
Hadn't thought about that in years. Thanks for the memory. :cheers:
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We just recently tried some of these shows (this year). I watched only a few of the Waltons, but the dad guy refused Baptism, which I found "okay" because it wasn't "Baptism" as I've seen it anyway. But then the Baptist mom said he didn't need Baptism to go to Heaven, and the dad said he figured that's about how the ..."old man in the sky" [sic] "worked".
:shocked:
And yet I felt sorry for the dad, because the fake-seeming scheister priest (probably a Jew) was standing in the river, ORDERING people to come in as if for a scary swim to Hell, and then smacking the scared people in the foreheads, after which they'd sort of look surprised and collapse backwards dramatically into the river and be "saved". The dad watched these antics about like the rest of the world would: as if they were ridiculous. Because they were.
And I realized, oh no, this show is putting me on par with the proudly-unBaptised dad. That's when I realized how slick Hollywood was, even with their seemingly-"safe" family fare, such that a devout person would empathize with the atheist more than with the ridiculous-acting "sheeple" who let this horrible fake-priest bully them around and hit them in the head. (Oh, and then some of the landed gentry went off to make moonshine. Not the Walton family, but some others, who were trying to talk the dad into just submitting to Baptism to shut everyone up. He didn't cave. And that made me happy, but the message was clearly anti-Christian, so I won't watch that show.)
:sign-surrender: On the other hand, I found early episodes of LHOTP enjoyable because "the bad guys" were the actual bad guys, like Mrs. Olsen, and not pretending to be "the good guys", so there was very little trickery and you could feel comfortable laughing with the audience/characters about the bad guys. I didn't see most of LHOTP, so I didn't see the one with Pa saying that thing about different gods; but I did enjoy the family respect, and the humility. And at least when I had problems with the show, I immediately knew what they were; I didn't feel "tricked". And the priest seemed to dress like a priest at least, and didn't go about hitting people on the heads; and the show didn't otherwise make fun of Our Lord or the Saints. Unfortunately, they took those reruns off the channels we get, so we've seen very few of these.