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Re: Let's talk about age gaps
« Reply #390 on: Today at 02:33:50 PM »
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  • Sheesh...can we get any more uncharitable here, folks?
    :confused: Yes. You must be new here. ;) :cowboy:

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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
    « Reply #391 on: Today at 03:17:38 PM »
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  • I would genuinely like to hear what actual seasoned fathers on CathInfo have to say about it. Fathers with girls in the 12-18 year age range, but really any father with girls, even girls that have already left the coop. I’ve heard enough from unmarried or newly married men on the subject. I hesitate to make yet another thread on it but it sure would be nice if it wasn’t anonymous. The anonymous section just kills it.

    Married men with daughters, would you entertain a man in his 30’s asking to court your 14 year old daughter? What about 16?

    It is a pertinent conversation, if only it could be approached without accusations and insults.


    My girls are still too sheltered at that age. They aren't "out in the world" yet. They don't know the birds & bees yet. Also, their homeschool workload gets pretty serious around age 15 or 16. We're talking college classes, advanced AP classes, etc.
    In our particular family (due to genetics, etc.) we are very high IQ, so my wife and I decided to have some decently high standards for our children's homeschool education.

    In modern day America, the culture and country in which we live, it is EXPECTED for a person to complete high school. That is one thing that has changed from the Middle Ages.
    I'm not saying they have to go to college (that is the next step many people take -- they want the girl to not just have a HS diploma, but a college degree as well "just in case")

    But I think having a high school diploma isn't too much to ask.

    As for honorable courtship at 14 or 16, that would totally distract a girl from what she needs to be learning, studying, and doing during her "finishing off" period before she comes of age. But the finishing off period is something I never thought about until a few years ago.

    Try to consider the parents point of view. You have children. You are responsible for them. You want them to be happy. You love them. You want to teach them the important things you know about the world, so they don't have to learn things the hard way. HOW DO YOU DO THAT IF THEY COULD BE GONE AT 16?
    Just for starters, MANY topics you can't introduce until you've cleared the prerequisite course, "Birds & Bees 101". And do you REALLY want to take a totally innocent girl and introduce things to them they REALLY don't need to think or worry about?
    I'm not going to introduce deep adult topics too early just so they can grow up a few years early. That's not necessary at all.

    I don't just throw my kids into the deep end of knowledge, or the world, and hope they swim. I allow them to be kids when they're kids. (except I do teach them to work and practice self-mortification -- doing what you don't want to do -- from an early age)
    I insist they learn all the basics, including knowing how to cook, clean, etc. Both boys and girls. But I allow them time to play, have fun, and be kids. I'm preparing them for a REALISTIC future -- which, let's be honest, will be mostly work and certainly not all fun & games.

    But no, I don't teach my daughters to have a GenZ-like attitude towards age. As homeschoolers, my kids aren't obsessed with limiting all socializing to a narrow age range plus 2 years and minus 2 years from their own age. That's not realistic at all. Just look at any office or workplace. Or convent, monastery, etc. Nowhere in the real world are you sectioned off with 30 or 50 people born in the same year as you. Public school is artificial as hell, designed to create mindless drones for corporate offices, and destructive in every way.

    I'm all for preparing my children with the proper information at the proper age. But until they have to go study/work/etc. out there in the world, they don't need to know all the gritty details about men and how the world works.

    Maybe the answer would be different for some public school girls whose innocence was taken away years earlier -- both in terms of knowledge and experience -- but neither of those things apply to my Trad, homeschooled daughters.
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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
    « Reply #392 on: Today at 03:53:55 PM »
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  • "Worldsaway and Everlast honestly crack me up with how little civility they manage to show around here.
    As for Aristotle, he really has no bearing on a sacramental marriage or the raising of children. Do we seriously care about his opinions on marital ages from thousands of years ago, in a completely different world? So much has changed since then. We can take pieces of his thinking when they’re useful, sure—but he was still just a man, and a flawed one like the rest of us.
    At this point, the whole topic has run its course. I’m not sure what the original poster expected to get out of it. From what I can see, nobody’s changed their mind, and the conversation has pretty much dissolved into everyone taking shots at each other."

    This is my last post on the this topic- feel free to answer or not- it's a moot point.
    My most recent post on this thread was Nov. 3. I think I managed to remain fairly civil during that conversation given the idiocy I was up against. And if your're not referring to that conversation, I don't know what you're talking about. You'll know when I make a post because my username will be visible
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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
    « Reply #393 on: Today at 04:18:27 PM »
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  • Nowhere in human history do we see the normalization of the opposition to age gaps outside of the late 20th century and feminism.

    Aristotle is just chosen as being representative of the wisdom of all ages.

    St. Thomas Aquinas uses him as the framework for his entire summa.

    So to run him down like that shows how totally ruined your mind is by the sins of the modern age.

    Please get back in the kitchen and off the internet.

    Your husband and family need you doing more productive things than this.
    What opposition to age gaps?  People will consider the age gap in a real situation. Do you have a real situation you are talking about?

    Was Aristotle tempted by women like men are today?

    Aristotle was talking about ideals based on the understanding that at 18 and 37 the peak of their genders would come at the equivalent time.  Was he only basing this on child rearing?  if yes then what would society do with all the women who are alive way past the death of their husband.  If he died at 80, she would only be 61 and would probably live another 20 years without him.  Would that then truly be an ideal having a population of women who would have to be cared for by the rest of society?  When we talk about these things we sometimes do need to pay attention to the whole picture.  Thoughts?
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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
    « Reply #394 on: Today at 04:47:55 PM »
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  • You're not "genuine" and you're not interested. If all the married men on the forum came out together like a ton of bricks in favor of the historical norm you would still find some way around it.

    Why wont you just admit that? Be honest. It's the anonymous section :)
    No I really am because these are questions to grapple with. My oldest is going on 10 and starting to notice boys. My husband and I have had quite a few discussions lately about this topic and other topics considering girls coming of age because our children are ALL girls.

    It makes sense to visit with other experienced Catholics about it. Like Matthew said, they didn’t start seriously thinking about the whole “finishing” aspect with their girls until the time got closer. When you’re in the thick of it you see things with a more broad and complete perspective. 


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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
    « Reply #395 on: Today at 04:59:29 PM »
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  • What opposition to age gaps?  People will consider the age gap in a real situation. Do you have a real situation you are talking about?

    Was Aristotle tempted by women like men are today?

    Aristotle was talking about ideals based on the understanding that at 18 and 37 the peak of their genders would come at the equivalent time.  Was he only basing this on child rearing?  if yes then what would society do with all the women who are alive way past the death of their husband.  If he died at 80, she would only be 61 and would probably live another 20 years without him.  Would that then truly be an ideal having a population of women who would have to be cared for by the rest of society?  When we talk about these things we sometimes do need to pay attention to the whole picture.  Thoughts?
    Literally every society before the twentieth society and outside the US especially lived a more communal,  life where they cared for their elderly.

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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
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  • No I really am because these are questions to grapple with. My oldest is going on 10 and starting to notice boys. My husband and I have had quite a few discussions lately about this topic and other topics considering girls coming of age because our children are ALL girls.

    It makes sense to visit with other experienced Catholics about it. Like Matthew said, they didn’t start seriously thinking about the whole “finishing” aspect with their girls until the time got closer. When you’re in the thick of it you see things with a more broad and complete perspective.
    Ok then let's see.

    Try to tone tone the attitude in the meantime.

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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
    « Reply #397 on: Today at 05:05:02 PM »
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  • The whole discussion of 14-16 yr old women getting married is impractical and highly unlikely.  

    The most probable scenario is this:  A 32 yr old man wants to court a 22 yrs old woman.  Yes or no?  Why or why not?


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    Re: Let's talk about age gaps
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  • Literally every society before the twentieth society and outside the US especially lived a more communal,  life where they cared for their elderly.
    Yes and we don't live in those times.  Stop trying to live by an ideal that can't and doesn't exist in the 21st century.
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