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« on: March 29, 2014, 08:53:02 AM »
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  • "Married Lesbian couple" to have daughter baptized -
    and first the "two mothers" will be confirmed in the Cathedral
    Where else? In Argentina, ¡naturalmente!

    From La Voz:


    Daughter of two mothers will be baptized in the Cathedral
    Next Saturday, April 5, Umma Azul will be baptized in the Cathedral [of Córdoba, Province of Córdoba, Argentina] and president Cristina Fernández [de Kirchner] could be the godmother.

    She is the daughter of Karina Villarroel and Soledad Ortiz, the two Cordoba women who contracted matrimony a little over a year ago, and regarding whom a controversy came about due to the request for leave [for matrimonial reasons] in the Provincial Police by the first one. [The civil "marriage" of same-sex couples has been legal in Argentina since 2010.]
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    Karina and Soledad had to demand the authorization of the Archdiocese. "I had an audience with Archbishop Carlos Ñáñez so that he would give the order, and he confirmed to me that there will be no problem in the Cathedral," she explained. [The Cathedral] Parish priest Carlos Varas will preside at er the ceremony

    The two ladies will receive Confirmation on the same day and, at 10:30 the baptism of Umma Azul will take place, with a godfather who is a friend of the family and two godmothers, the President and a friend.
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    Meanwhile, Karina, who belongs to the police force of the Province, is still struggling for the recognition of a legal demand of a 180-day maternity leave, even though she was not the pregnant mother. ... The Police assured that the woman abandoned the job.

    La Nación adds that "this will be, acccording to Church sources, 'the first baptism of the child of a homoparental [sic] family' to be celebrated in a Catholic building in the country."

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    « Reply #1 on: March 29, 2014, 08:57:59 AM »
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  • These are the fruits of Jorge Mario Bergoglio's papacy.  Horrible.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 29, 2014, 09:40:36 AM »
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  • This is in the NO?

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    « Reply #3 on: March 29, 2014, 01:25:49 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    If SSPX goes under Rome, it's only a matter of time before this shows up in "traditional" chapels.  I'm not terribly worried because I won't be there!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #4 on: March 29, 2014, 03:43:06 PM »
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  • They need to be locked up for child abuse. I can't help but pray that little girl gets put into a real family.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2014, 03:45:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
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    If SSPX goes under Rome, it's only a matter of time before this shows up in "traditional" chapels.  I'm not terribly worried because I won't be there!


    One has to hope that the SSPX will not drop that low.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 03:57:17 PM »
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  • Does anyone have a link to this info?



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    « Reply #7 on: March 29, 2014, 05:48:48 PM »
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    Quote from: Frances
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    If SSPX goes under Rome, it's only a matter of time before this shows up in "traditional" chapels.  I'm not terribly worried because I won't be there!


    One has to hope that the SSPX will not drop that low.


    Maybe they will be the chosen ones to explain this in the Light of Tradition, you know, Hermeneutic of Continuity.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 29, 2014, 07:16:18 PM »
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  • http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/155601/c%C3%B3rdoba-archbishop-oks-baptism-for-samesex-couple%E2%80%99s-baby

    Want CFK to be godmother
    Friday, March 28, 2014
    Córdoba Archbishop OKs baptism for same-sex couple’s baby
    By Jayson McNamara
    Herald Staff

    The two-month-old daughter of a lesbian couple currently involved in a labour dispute with Córdoba province Police over one of the mother’s right to maternity leave, will, on April 5, become the first child of a same-sex couple to be baptized by the Argentine Catholic Church.

    Church officials yesterday confirmed that Córdoba Archbishop Carlos Ñáñez had, based on “general recommendations,” granted the baptism of Umma Azul, the daughter of Soledad Ortiz and Karina Villarroel.

    “We had a hearing with Archbishop Ñáñez and he told us there was no problem in our daughter being baptized in the Cathedral,” confirmed Villarroel, who indicated to the local daily La Voz del Interior newspaper they planned to ask President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner to be the girl’s godmother.

    “The other day we heard from the Office of the President asking about the date of the baptism as they want to participate,” she said.

    Ortiz and Villarroel, married just under a year ago, are currently involved in an ongoing dispute with Córdoba Police after they refused to grant Villarroel maternity leave on the grounds she did not carry the girl through pregnancy. Villarroel was eventually dismissed from the force by the province’s Police Conduct Tribunal for not showing up to work.

    Warming Church?

    Alex Freyre, a gay-rights activist, told the Herald he largely agreed with those who said Pope Francis was at least indirectly to thank for this development.

    “The media wants a gay-friendly pope and so too does society,” he said. “The fact that he is Argentine and he senses the exposure gay-rights issues get in this country, I think is a good thing and it helps.”

    But Freyre, who was part of the first gay couple to marry in Argentina, also had words of caution.

    “The Church accepts homosexuals themselves, but not homosexuality in practice. So in terms of sin, this girl is not at fault for her mothers being gay or not. It’s an interesting development because in another era this wouldn’t have happened,” he explained.

    Archbishop Ñáñez had allegedly given the priest who will perform the cermony, Carlos Varas, special instructions about registering the baptism, though court officials did not provide details.

    In September of last year, a row erupted in the UK between a lesbian couple, Aimi and Victoria Leggett, and a now retired priest from the Church of England over the registration of both women as mothers on their son Alphie’s baptism certificate.

    Rev. George Gebauer had first refused to perform the ceremony, and later told the couple that at best only one of the mothers could appear on the boy’s baptism certificate, with the other registered as the godmother.

    He was later rebuked by the Church, with the baptism going ahead under a different priest, and both women registered as the boy’s mothers.

    “There are many gay couples who have been educated in the Judeo-Christian culture who want to be accepted by a Church that has so often rejected it,” stressed Freyre. “It has to do with people’s search for happiness.”

    The baptism of Umma Azul, who was born on January 27, will take place on Saturday April 5 at 10.30am in the Señora de la Asunción Cathedral in Córdoba City.

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  • Quote from: jman123
    These are the fruits of Jorge Mario Bergoglio's papacy.  Horrible.


    These are the fruits of the V2 Revolution.

    The fruits are now ripening under the Bergoglio/Francis nontificate. Begoglio is the current Presider Over Apostasy, who it taking things to the next level.


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    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/03/married-lesbian-couple-to-have-daughter.html

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    « Reply #12 on: March 29, 2014, 10:18:16 PM »
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  • I am not sure I oppose the baptism of the child.  Confirming the two women is clearly not a Catholic act, and is actually sacrilege.  
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    I am not sure I oppose the baptism of the child.  Confirming the two women is clearly not a Catholic act, and is actually sacrilege.  


    Unrepentant public sinners who have no intention to raise the child in the Faith have always been denied baptism for their child.  It is a sad reality, as no one likes to see a child deprived of Baptism.

    These woman are committed to their public sins and even consider themselves married.  This case is a no brainer.  
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    « Reply #14 on: March 30, 2014, 01:28:56 AM »
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    I am not sure I oppose the baptism of the child.  Confirming the two women is clearly not a Catholic act, and is actually sacrilege.  


    Unrepentant public sinners who have no intention to raise the child in the Faith have always been denied baptism for their child.  It is a sad reality, as no one likes to see a child deprived of Baptism.

    These woman are committed to their public sins and even consider themselves married.  This case is a no brainer.  


    Even according to Can. 868 §1. For an infant to be baptized licitly:

    1/ the parents or at least one of them or the person who legitimately takes their place must consent;

    2/ there must be a founded hope that the infant will be brought up in the Catholic religion; if such hope is altogether lacking, the baptism is to be delayed according to the prescripts of particular law after the parents have been advised about the reason.



     

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